Nerds I View Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 which one. Jourdal? Link please and thanks http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?14680-%26%2320096%3B%26%2312373%3B%26%2312435%3B-s-Chie-Combo-Okizeme-Video
Laijin Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 Seriously needed to post after having not posted on dustloop for literally over 4 years all because I notice DC, the smash player, is a fan of Chie. I see you still dig the flat chested girls EH? :D I kinda figured Labyrs would be more your style tbh. DC = Flat Chest Lover Pro. Thats all. I'm out.
LunaKage Posted August 14, 2012 Posted August 14, 2012 Dem's da brakes. Congrats on Chie modship Ama.
Laijin Posted August 15, 2012 Posted August 15, 2012 He's actually playing Mitsuru. :V Well that is extremely uncharacteristic of him. I guess he finally grew up and realized women with curves are superior.
DC Posted August 15, 2012 Author Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) Seriously needed to post after having not posted on dustloop for literally over 4 years all because I notice DC, the smash player, is a fan of Chie. I see you still dig the flat chested girls EH? :D I kinda figured Labyrs would be more your style tbh. DC = Flat Chest Lover Pro. Thats all. I'm out. Laijin! I remember you. Yeah Chie was my original pick before I tried Mitsuru. Tbh I still <3 Chie a little bit more as a character but I enjoy playing Titsuru more. I still sub Chie. DFC for life. Edited August 15, 2012 by DC
Primiera Posted August 15, 2012 Posted August 15, 2012 This is gonna sound really nooby, but seeing what Yu is capable of, it seems like he is in general superior to Chie. Chie's main advantage is an incredible oki game into high damage if they're cornered and she has meter, but it seems like Yu gets virtually the same or better oki, and his footsies are far stronger. I know they're different characters, with different movesets and mix-ups, but where's Chie's direct advantage over him? I'm not switching over to him, I'm just curious of the opinions of people who know Chie and Yu better than I do.
Rhiya Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I just like Chie's movement speed much better than Yu's, personally.
Sorias Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 his footsies are far stronger. I feel like what you probably mean is that Yu is more forgiving of mistakes? What I mean is, if Yu isn't spacing himself perfectly, he sort of doesn't care... his normal hitboxes cover like half the screen anyway. Whereas Chie just sort of dies if she ever whiffs a move, and if she isn't spaced perfectly, she's almost certain to whiff something. Aside from that fact, Chie does generally have the mobility advantage (as long as the Chie player can block the slide kick and dive kick). My understanding so far is that Yu's moves are generally a lot more unsafe on block, though. So a Chie player who can successfully defend against Yu until they get the opportunity for that one good hit is going to be able to convert into a higher damage combo than Yu is capable of? I'm also kind of convinced Chie's oki really is stronger. Which is not to say that Yu's is bad, but a blocked 5DD from Chie sort of locks the opponent in place for a second, and gives her a second mixup opportunity, whereas Yu is really just going for a good single hit on wakeup, and if you block/recover right, then you got out. Which all means that as player skill increases, I think Chie gets steadily stronger in this matchup. All that said, the more I play the specific Yu v. Chie matchup, I do think Yu really is advantaged. He can punish a lot of stuff Chie does with his instant start-up supers, including easily hitting her out of meteors on reaction, whereas Chie has trouble catching him with a God hand because the range is so specific. Also the fact that Chie's All-out attack is so fast actually causes it to lose to Yu's all-out attack because those moves have armor, which is incredibly annoying and kills me all the time. All that said, I could have no idea what I'm talking about...
DC Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 My understanding so far is that Yu's moves are generally a lot more unsafe on block lol Narukami is a better character than Chie.
-Kid Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Narukami is a better character than Chie. I generally agree. Yu is a better character than Chie. Yu can do everything Chie can, but better. - Better Oki - More range - Better base damage..generally. Can't really say much for the normals. Chie's 5A makes for good stagger pressure. But generally Yu is overall a much better version of Chie. Edited August 16, 2012 by -Kid
DC Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 Both Narukami and Chie have 5 frame 5a's. Narukami does everything Chie does... just kinda better.
Fluck Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Chie is more mobile, has better damage, and has stronger mixups than Narukami. Narukami's main advantage over her is significantly stronger neutral. I wouldn't say they are similar characters at all. Btw Chie can pose Yuu a tons of problems by using 2A because it beats all of his pokes, including the almighty 5B, except sweep and 2B and they both have big flaws as pokes, sweep is not safe on block and Yuu doesn't have a safe special cancel, while 2B is heavily punishable on whiff.
Carthage Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 How do you prevent the All-Out Finish in challenge 26 from knocking you to far away to continue the combo?
DC Posted August 16, 2012 Author Posted August 16, 2012 and has stronger mixups than Narukami. Absolutely not. Narukami's oki after had knockdown is undeniably better. Furthermore we are talking about who is the stronger character in general. Chie is marginally faster but this doesn't mean much when you can't get in. Naru's neutral and offense is better. His damage is EASILY comparable to Chie's.
-Kid Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 But generally Yu is overall a much better version of Chie. Did i mention that Chie also has a bad R-action..well, in comparison to Yu's. I guess the short active frames on her R-action is balanced by it's fast recovery. Tit for tat really.
Fluck Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Absolutely not. Narukami's oki after had knockdown is undeniably better. Furthermore we are talking about who is the stronger character in general. Chie is marginally faster but this doesn't mean much when you can't get in. Naru's neutral and offense is better. His damage is EASILY comparable to Chie's. Oki and mixups are linked but they aren't the same thing. Narukami's oki is much better, yes. But his mixups themselves aren't stellar. His AoA is inferior to Chie's, and Raging Lion is an extremely weak overhead. Roll/dive kick crossups are stronger mixups, but still not on the level of what Chie can do. j.B j.A Fuzzy doesn't work on many members of the cast. Damage wise, they are comparable midscreen and meterless but Narukami absolutely loses out in the corner where he gets around 2.4k and no knockdown. Yuu also loses out on FC punishes with no meter (gets about 2.9k). With meter, they're much more even. Chie wins by about 500-1k worth of damage depending on the exact combo. Yuu also has inferior damage on AoA combos, be it corner or midscreen, again by 500 damage or more. Personally I think Chie is as good as Yuu but I don't mind admitting that Yuu could very well be stronger. I actually mainly posted to say that the characters aren't similar types.
Primiera Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 How do you prevent the All-Out Finish in challenge 26 from knocking you to far away to continue the combo? Corner only, must be 16 hits with a D finish.
Fluck Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Yu. :V It's Yu in names and Yuu in all other kanji?
andylawlz Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 (edited) Hey guys I've just been writing down everything I'm learning about Chie on my own and i realized I have quite a bit of info on my hands at this point, so i uploaded it into a google doc and figured I'd share. Any comments/suggestions on what sort of thing to add? Better combos or setups? It's still a work in progress and will eventually have matchup notes for every char but I need to actually play against people a lot more than I already have to get that sort of info. would really like some feedback! http://www.tinyurl.com/andylawlzchienotes edit: its kinda unorganized but i didnt write this with other people in mind despite the way i word a lot of it. i can clean it up if people really like it and release it as a guide once it's more complete. Edited August 16, 2012 by andylawlz
Carthage Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 Corner only, must be 16 hits with a D finish. Really? That seems absurd to mash the buttons at such an exact rate. Oh well.
Errol Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 :V It's Yu in names and Yuu in all other kanji? Correct.
ZomB Posted August 16, 2012 Posted August 16, 2012 I'll come back with some more tips for you but I have 2 things just from glancing over it here. 1.) j.C doesn't hit high 2.) Midscreen do AoA -> fatal launch -> j.D land dash5b5cAB -- you can stick a jb out while falling to avoid airdashing.
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