[CP] News & Gameplay Discussion (Old)

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Terumi looks super dumb. Hopefully he won't become CS1 Makoto / Valky dumb lol

[BladeOfJustice7]

Terumi looks super dumb. Hopefully he won't become CS1 Makoto / Valky dumb lol

Looks would imply we've seen him in action, which we haven't, he sounds dumb. But there's no guarantee of that being the case.

[Suzaku]

Exactly my point, this move seems to be an astral from how i know supers work ( the character starts the astral, the screen fades to black and if the move connects, beat down.) in the series of blazblue. But i could be wrong.

They are all Distortion Drives. It says so right in the article.

[Gespenst Ritter]

Force Eater drains heat? Well, it's not my birthday yet, Arc, but thank you for granting my wish.

Terumi's totally not going to be super-broke, people. Honestly, I think the supreme movement Drives are still more threatening than Force Eater.

[Luminos564]

Terumi's totally not going to be super-broke, people. Honestly, I think the supreme movement Drives are still more threatening than Force Eater.

That remains to be seen. Right now we have no idea how he's going to work unless ASW patches in him and Kagura prior to the console release, which likely won't happen since they'd lose out on console sales. Ergo we will need to wait until at least until October~November before deeming him either "eh, decent tier" or "broken-ass-OP-SOB". However, if he really does steal meter, then I think people have a right to be concerned. I made this argument back when someone suggested the idea and I thought it to be very difficult (if not outright impossible) to balance.

As people already said, Heat is integral to every single character. Those that need to use 50 Heat just for a decent reversal or need that Counter Assault are in definite trouble. This gets even worse for Haku-men since he needs meter exclusively for his specials. I get that ASW is trying to make an Anti-Haku character that's easier for people to use, but this idea sounds far too frightening on paper. Of course, I am willing to wait and see what happens and it isn't as though I won't play Terumi if he's fun, but right now, I am going to be skeptical.

[Effenhoog]

It never ceases to amaze me how the fighting game community always manages to flip their shit over theoretical stuff in games/characters that arent even out yet and we have minimal information about.

Also let's freak out because meter stealing is a totally brand new concept and no fighting game has ever done it before

[Gespenst Ritter]

However, if he really does steal meter, then I think people have a right to be concerned. I made this argument back when someone suggested the idea and I thought it to be very difficult (if not outright impossible) to balance.

That would be me.

I just don't see any reason for all the doom and gloom given that the BB team has balanced similarly "sounds broken on paper" Drives fairly well since CS2. I mean, let's just think about this for a moment. Terumi's probably going to have 4 Drive normals like most people. Based on the trailer, it doesn't look like you can combo out of 2D, and 5D is most likely the Jabaki lookalike that's probably not getting much combo-extending usage outside of corner juggles. These give me the impression that his D moves are more along the lines of combo enders, so he's not going to be putting a bunch of them into all of his combos like Ragna does with Soul Eater. On top of that, none of his Distortions so far drain meter, and he has less special moves than most of the cast, so I'm guessing he has maybe two or three of these, and not all of them are guaranteed to be Force Eater moves.

So, no, I'm not really expecting a GNT4 Kisame situation.

[Luminos564]

It never ceases to amaze me how the fighting game community always manages to flip their shit over theoretical stuff in games/characters that arent even out yet and we have minimal information about.

That's the problem though; we don't have all the information so the flipping of the shit is bound to happen. Since we have not seen it in action all theories for it being either OP or balanced are equally as likely to happen.

I just don't see any reason for all the doom and gloom given that the BB team has balanced similarly "sounds broken on paper" Drives fairly well since CS2. I mean, let's just think about this for a moment. Terumi's probably going to have 4 Drive normals like most people. Based on the trailer, it doesn't look like you can combo out of 2D, and 5D is most likely the Jabaki lookalike that's probably not getting much combo-extending usage outside of corner juggles. These give me the impression that his D moves are more along the lines of combo enders, so he's not going to be putting a bunch of them into all of his combos like Ragna does with Soul Eater. On top of that, none of his Distortions so far drain meter, and he has less special moves than most of the cast, so I'm guessing he has maybe two or three of these, and not all of them are guaranteed to be Force Eater moves.

So, no, I'm not really expecting a GNT4 Kisame situation.

Maybe so, but I still remember the days where "Drive summons swords" sounded like an unimpressive feat on paper, yet turned into a virtual death machine in CT. Or how single hit Curse worked for Arakune back then. It isn't that I don't trust ASW to do a good job of balancing, but even they cannot predict just how potent or not Terumi's gimmick will turn out to be. Yes, I am aware that they can always fix it in another game but until they do, you're going to be stuck with whoever is the more broken character. Now of course, this is all just a theory, hypothetical predictions on my part and I have no intention of claiming it as fact (I even said that I will wait until I see/know more), but right now the idea of an agile, meter-stealing Terumi is...not pleasing to say the least.

And at the risk of sounding like a damn nerd, I still remember the days where Neji could tear apart your meter in 3 hits, on hit or on block.

[beanwich]

You appear to have trouble with the concept of "subjectivity" and "opinions", so I kindly advise you to take your smug bullshit elsewhere.

How am I being smug? You're the one who started ranting on and on about how I shouldn't share my opinion! You practically typed: "Screw you and your opinion, you're not allowed to have an opinion, and because your view differs from mine, I'm going to call you out and insult you for no reason."

I was simply stating my opinion, I did not post it to make anyone angry, I was simply sharing my view on something I've had experiences with.

[beanwich]

I certainly hope that Terumi isn't DLC-only, especially since I had thought they said there would be no downloadable characters, the only way to really to know is if ARC SYSTEM WORKS says so, or if someone actually plays through the game and can find put whether he's un-lockable or not.

[YukiBlue]

Come on ladies, put the bags down~

Terumi? Lazy character choice.

His drive? Also very lazy

Yet somehow. Everything makes sense. I'm in no shape or form excited for Terumi, but he can't do any harm.

Right?

[MashThat5A]

Remember how busted Amane sounded on paper?

[TPPR10]

I am not going to say that Terumi will be broken because of Heat stealing. What I am goign to say that he might be able to troll people out of their meter. The fact that he steals meter even on block sounds fantastic as it is.

[Surf]

Remember how busted Amane sounded on paper?

Izayoi as well.

[Eclipse]

I don't see why everyone thinks Terumi will be so broken. He'll have virtually no momentum in the beginning of a match if he's dependent on his drive. He can't steal meter if your opponent starts with none. I think whether he's broken or not will come down to how good his normal are and how much heat he can steal in one of his combos. I'm guessing since he's so reliant on distortion drives, that he won't have great combos. But if I'm wrong about that, he could definitely be broken.

[Starlight777]

It sucks that the only new character who turned out decent is Azrael.

[mAc Chaos]

I'd rather have them subpar and fixed later than broken as fuck and ruining the game.

Wait what am I saying all I liked to do was fight Nu and Mu.

I don't see why everyone thinks Terumi will be so broken. He'll have virtually no momentum in the beginning of a match if he's dependent on his drive. He can't steal meter if your opponent starts with none. I think whether he's broken or not will come down to how good his normal are and how much heat he can steal in one of his combos. I'm guessing since he's so reliant on distortion drives, that he won't have great combos. But if I'm wrong about that, he could definitely be broken.

I assumed that he would still build up his own meter like everybody else.

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Dumb question:

Will Terumi share the same normals as Hazama or he'll get his own? Because, you know, fuck j CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

[SoWL]

It sucks that the only new character who turned out decent is Azrael.

Bullet is fine, screw the haters

Izayoi as well.

I think the only thing people were worried about were the dashes.

[YukiBlue]

I've not seen any Bullet on AGES from Japan. Seriously, she was in every video / every game on release, now she's just dissapeared.

Not that I'm complaining Kappa

[SolxBaiken]

Bullet is still a good character, however she isn't nearly as easy/auto-pilot as other characters, so why increase your needed difficulty by reducing your guaranteed winning margin?

---Competitive Thought Process

[Kyosuke Kagami]

What? I see Bullets in most of the A-cho and Jourdal stuff I see.

The char looks more interesting now, imo. Still not using her.

[SolxBaiken]

What? I see Bullets in most of the A-cho

U SODA!

Trust me, I scan all those A-Cho vids and we gets hours of shit! [aka no Bullet] don't be lying to me boy!

[Kurushii]

Dumb question:

Will Terumi share the same normals as Hazama or he'll get his own? Because, you know, fuck j CCCCCCCCCCCCCCC

In the reveal trailer he does Hazama 2B > 3C. So he will share some of his normals at least.

[Vvvv]

I've not seen any Bullet on AGES from Japan. Seriously, she was in every video / every game on release, now she's just dissapeared.

Not that I'm complaining Kappa

do you go to the same dustloop I do, the bullet video thread is updated almost every other day