Moy_X7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 -> What exactly happened with Jin and the church to make him kind of just go along with it and want to kill Ragna. Yukianesa pretty much fucks with his head and "tells him to do bad things". It is hinted that he received Yukianesa a little before the church incident.
Chaoschao222 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/958721-blazblue-calamity-trigger/faqs/57598 I always liked this plot analysis from CT. Was helpful to put a lot of things in order. Also helps note how much knowledge is missing. "The NOL provided Jin and Noel with their Noxes." 6/10, would not trust.
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Well, some of it is outdated at this point. But when I was first playing and everything was completely ridiculous it was helpful. Yukianesa pretty much fucks with his head and "tells him to do bad things". It is hinted that he received Yukianesa a little before the church incident. Oh right, I forgot about that. But I thought Terumi was the one who possessed him and made him do it? So then ... what did Yukianesa have to do with it. And why does Ragna act like Jin's responsible when he KNOWS Terumi did it. I mean, at first I thought he just didn't know, but he immediately goes after him when he shows up at the end of CT for the whole arm thing.
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Oh right, I forgot about that. But I thought Terumi was the one who possessed him and made him do it? So then ... what did Yukianesa have to do with it. And why does Ragna act like Jin's responsible when he KNOWS Terumi did it. I mean, at first I thought he just didn't know, but he immediately goes after him when he shows up at the end of CT for the whole arm thing. No, if you recall, Jin himself said that Terumi had nothing to do with it (it was either in CS or towards the end of CT.) And I could've swore Ragna had no idea that Terumi was really the one who made Jin do it until CT's end. Or even had any idea who Terumi was. I think he went after him in the end of CT because he just then found out who Terumi was.
Moy_X7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Terumi possessed Jin in that particular incident? I thought he was just chilling and instigating Jin into doing bad things along with Yukianesa lol. Then again, it's been too long since I last heard of CT's story mode.
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) No, if you recall, Jin himself said that Terumi had nothing to do with it (it was either in CS or towards the end of CT.) And I could've swore Ragna had no idea that Terumi was really the one who made Jin do it until CT's end. Or even had any idea who Terumi was. I think he went after him in the end of CT because he just then found out who Terumi was. Hmm... he recognizes Terumi on sight though. Like, how does he even know what he's supposed to look like. He isn't like "Damn who is this guy, what do you mean you cut off my arm, it was Jin," he's just like "TERUMI! MY ARM!" My memory must be corrupted by having CT's story burned into it at the expense of later revelations. Terumi possessed Jin in that particular incident? I thought he was just chilling and instigating Jin into doing bad things along with Yukianesa lol. Then again, it's been too long since I last heard of CT's story mode. Well, you see Jin having the trademark Hazama smile during that scene. And when Ragna sees Jin again later in the story he flashes back to that smile. It was kind of written ambiguously on purpose. When you see it the first time you just have to assume it's Jin since you don't know anything about Terumi, but if you go back and look later with the extra knowledge it fits Hazama just being there too... kind of. Just has it being misleading. Edited December 3, 2012 by mAc Chaos
Tokkan Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 In Chimelical Complex, Terumi possessed Jin. But that's just a manga adaptation. CT Reconstruction indicates Terumi was visibly there, even if nothing but a shadow, and was not actually possessing anyone. He actually communicated with Ragna, even.
mAc Chaos Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Yeah, I saw that and it was jarring and weird. Not sure what to think of that. He looked like he was in his Terumi form there too. In which case what was that whole Noel "eye" deal for that he was leading all the loops for. I always assumed the entire point of that was to unlock his old Terumi powers but based on that scene it looked like he already had a body and wasn't a ghost. Also would make Jin a lot less blameworthy. If Terumi was just standing there going LOL I TROLL U while the church burns and Jin is in a daze why would Ragna hate Jin so much. I also remember Terumi saying he did something to Jin's memories to suppress parts of that incident, which made me think he had possessed him.
TPPR10 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 ...Yeah, maybe we're going bit offtrack here. This page is to discuss about CP story, but we're bit going all over the place now. Just saying. On stuff related to CP story, I wonder what will the story mode will tell us about the Six Heroes. Will it focus on the heroes themselves or how they were as group (like how they got togehter, what their relationships are with eachother and stuff like that).
harmless kitten Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I think I have an inkling of this, actually. In the Wheel of Fortune Drama CD, Relius and Hazama basically treat Saya like an object and call her the "vessel". Plus in CT Reconstruction, Noel has a dream where she was sick and "her brother" (Ragna) was taking care of her. Of course, this dream was just a memory of Saya's that Noel was experiencing in her dream. Basically, my theory goes that the Imperator has hijacked Saya's body, and the bulk of Saya's soul is inside Noel, with Nu potentially having some of Saya's soul too. Now, as to who the Imperator actually is, I have no clue. Yeah, I've been thinking the same (the Imperator also has a different voice actress, not Kondou, which is kind of weird unless they wanted to make it obvious that she's a different person) but it's still a mystery. Especially the Imperator. A previous failed prime field? The first Imperator? Some other shadowy being that has thematic references to Izanami? IIRC, in the Wheel of Fortune Relius was still making Terumi's body when they raided the church. Might have changed for the current timeline, but I still prefer the idea of Terumi possessing Jin and hacking Ragna's arm off. Ragna probably recognizes Terumi by the voice. This is the man who ruined his life and is the source of every nightmarish recollection of that day. Ragna has probably memorized the guy's voice. He's probably still mad at Jin because he thinks Jin allied himself with Terumi then and is still allied with him now (something he accuses Jin of in Ragna's CS arcade mode). Give it seven years to stew, resentment, and doubt to form and you've got the beginnings of Ragna's conflicted feelings towards Jin's actions. He does say he might forgive Jin one day, but he'll never forget.
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I got the feeling that they didn't put the Imperator into Saya's body, but rather they just messed with her head and made her who she is. Especially considering she gave Yukianesa to Jin before he went psycho-crazy. Though I'm not denying that the Imperator possessing her is much more likely. I just like the idea of it being Saya herself much more. Also would make Jin a lot less blameworthy. If Terumi was just standing there going LOL I TROLL U while the church burns and Jin is in a daze why would Ragna hate Jin so much. I feel like the image of Terumi standing behind him isn't how it literally looked, but it was just there to emphasize things or just for visual candy. Not to mention, even if Terumi was present and Ragna could see him, that means he didn't possess Jin but he still managed to actually convince Jin to do all that, or even if not, made it damn well look like it. It's pretty logical that Ragna would blame him for being persuaded to do all that. And if Terumi WAS possessing him, well...that just makes the blame on Jin all the stronger. Doesn't really matter now though since Ragna knows it wasn't Jin. ...Yeah, maybe we're going bit offtrack here. This page is to discuss about CP story, but we're bit going all over the place now. Just saying. We're discussing the mysteries of the series that we're hoping CP's story will take care of; that IS related to CP's story completely. Learn to read, Blade 2.
ChrisX Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 You know there's one thing I wonder and I finally knew why Terumi and Relius brought in Litchi and her research of reversing seithr. Wasn't it said in Bang's Arcade End that the Kushinada Lynchpin's purpose is to eventually stop a huge amount of seithr and destroying them? I guess this is where Litchi's research came to play and I predict that after they're ready with the Lynchpin, they will have no more uses on her... Gah, thanks to Sourenga's channel being taken down I can't make exact stuffs like that. Anyway, speaking of Litchi, I think there's one thing that just bugs me and I hope CP will explain: How did she develop such a strong case of dedication to help people to the point she went through that kind of length for Lotte? Was it parents teaching? Or something horrible happened in her past before going to Sector Seven? ... Do they even care at all and would just point her as 'Oh, she's just born obsessed! Moving on!'....?
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Probably just her being a naturally caring person, and her loving Lotte/Arakune. She wouldn't go to the lengths she would for him for just anybody.
ChrisX Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Maybe I am the only one who thinks Litchi is not in love with Lotte. She considers her a friend and that's just how far she'd go for the sake of a friend. So put Carl, Tao or Bang in that situation, and she'd do the same, she just didn't do it to them because she felt like they had no life/existence-threatening problem. I think everyone is just exaggerating, though it's not an unfounded statement... I really am interested to see how she's like before even meeting Lotte. Maybe just so we get the impression that her life cycles more than just around Lotte. @Orihalcon: Are you Circuitous?
Chaoschao222 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 A girl in love doing dumb things for the sake of love, more news at 11.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 A girl in love doing dumb things for the sake of love, more news at 11. "Today's top story, beautiful woman incessantly chases after a jerkass whom she is madly in love with. Sources say that the jerkass has absolutely no interest in the beautiful woman. Chaoschao, our on scene reporter has the details." Anyways, I never realized there was still so much left unanswered.
Orihalcon Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Maybe I am the only one who thinks Litchi is not in love with Lotte. She considers her a friend and that's just how far she'd go for the sake of a friend. So put Carl, Tao or Bang in that situation, and she'd do the same, she just didn't do it to them because she felt like they had no life/existence-threatening problem. If you seriously think she'd screw with the boundary like she has for Arakune for Bang, Carl, or Taokaka, then I'm honestly impressed, because that is completely absurb. He's clearly more than just a friend to her. In short, pretty much what Chaoschao said: A girl in love doing dumb things for the sake of love, more news at 11. Also: @Orihalcon: Are you Circuitous? Aha. Ahahaha. Ha. Hell no, I'm not him.
.:TM:. Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 (edited) Maybe I am the only one who thinks Litchi is not in love with Lotte. She considers her a friend and that's just how far she'd go for the sake of a friend. So put Carl, Tao or Bang in that situation, and she'd do the same, she just didn't do it to them because she felt like they had no life/existence-threatening problem. I see you know as little about Litchi as ever. Kinda obvious Litchi's interest in Arakune/Lotte is romantic. Edited December 3, 2012 by .:TM:.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I see you know as little about Litchi as ever. Kinda obvious Litchi's interest in Arakune/Lotte is romantic. If any of my friends irreversibly transformed into a sociopathic blob of goop, I'd kill them straight off. So obvious that she has romantic interests with Lotte.
ChrisX Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Aha. Ahahaha. Ha. Hell no, I'm not him. You had his sig though. I just thought if you're him who forgot to change his sig. If any of my friends irreversibly transformed into a sociopathic blob of goop, I'd kill them straight off. So obvious that she has romantic interests with Lotte. Right, right, I guess I'll take it back that she's in love. But I will not say she is an idiot for what she did, she had more stakes that "I AM SO IN LOVE AND I AM BLINDED BY IT!". But... I think we're over that already. You all hate Litchi and think of her as nothing more than a dumb broad. I get it. Back on that I'm not sure if Kokonoe is to be followed. We're going to need to confirm what Rachel said to her in the ending to see about the reversibility or not, because I'm not sure if I could take the words of someone too obsessed in killing Terumi herself to the point of abandonment of everything else is to be called 'source of wisdom that only morons will disobey'.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 You all hate Litchi and think of her as nothing more than a dumb broad. I get it. I don't consider her a dumb broad. I consider her a naive indecisive dumb broad
Kanashimi Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 I don't consider her a dumb broad. I consider her a naive indecisive dumb broad But really what has Litchi done apart from run after some people and be a very minor part of the story?
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 She's one of the main driving forces for Bang, Bang is coolbeans. Litchi and Tenjou is what pushes Bang forward, but mostly Tenjou. @kanashimi, we have the same mains in BB and GG :3
Kanashimi Posted December 3, 2012 Posted December 3, 2012 Dressed up girls. Hell even Makoto has done more than Litchi has. Also dat Valentine-Noel please. <3 She's one of the main driving forces for Bang, Bang is coolbeans. Litchi and Tenjou is what pushes Bang forward, but mostly Tenjou. @kanashimi, we have the same mains in BB and GG :3 Yes for Bang but he also has his duties to his people and to find Tenjou's son. And yay always the White Knight. :3
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