Armagus Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 The story modes never specified, but it is possible to speculate. If Okami is a Nox Nyctores and since Nine created all of them besides the Murakumo, it is possible he could fight using the claws on the hands and feet before he encountered her, but since Hakumen is Jin he likely fought with another sword because that was his preferred fighting style. There could be a timeloop paradox with the Susano'o armor and the Okami like there is with Ragna's sword and outfit where they are inherited from the past loop leaving the origin unknown or in Hakumen's case, having the Okami permanently stuck on his armor with each prior loop as well, but I believe it is more likely he fought with some generic sword until he obtained Okami. When he went back into the past, he could have still had Yukianesa to though and choose to abondon it when given the chance since he does try to distance himself from his old life, and by giving up Yukianesa when he could have Okami which also seems to have the better combat potential.
TPPR10 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Hakumen probally has just some random sword before Nine forged Ookami. Besides, dat Haku-boot owns all :V And what interest me more is when Hazama got out of Susanoo, did he stay as ghost or did he actually have body and Susanoo was originally a simple armor before it was modified to be a cyborg to implant Jin's soul into it.
SolxBaiken Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I believe it is more likely he fought with some generic sword until he obtained Okami. When he went back into the past, he could have still had Yukianesa to though and choose to abondon it when given the chance since he does try to distance himself from his old life, and by giving up Yukianesa when he could have Okami which also seems to have the better combat potential. I'll accept this, it's alot more plausible and less loltimetravelshenanigans and thus less frustrating And what interest me more is when Hazama got out of Susanoo, did he stay as ghost or did he actually have body and Susanoo was originally a simple armor before it was modified to be a cyborg to implant Jin's soul into it. Uhhh, isn't it STILL just a suit of armor, I don't recall Jin's soul being transplanted to it. And He can clearly remove the mask and clearly has Jin face (as seen back in CT). Also I would assume Terumi went on to inhabit Kazuma's body. Also Hakumen mentions that Terumi's presence still lingers in the Susanoo unit, so that makes me wonder what exactly he remembers...
Moy_X7 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Oh yeah, I forgot all about Yukianesa lol. I just can't imagine Hakumen wielding Yukianesa when I've seen him wield the monstrosity that is Ookami.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) I just thought of something; Ok so Hakumen is sent back in time while he was still Jin with Yukianesa in tow, so what if after he became Hakumen and discarded Yukianesa, Terumi found it, kept for all of those years and then gave it to Saya who then gave it to the Jin of this timeline? Alternately, Yukianesa could have just been reforged to make Ookami. Edited December 2, 2012 by BlackYakuzu94
Tong Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 like, Nine creates Ookmami using Yukianesa, and then creates another Yukianesa?
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 like, Nine creates Ookmami using Yukianesa, and then creates another Yukianesa? Sure, why not.
SolxBaiken Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I just thought of something; Ok so Hakumen is sent back in time while he was still Jin with Yukianesa in tow, so what if after he became Hakumen and discarded Yukianesa, Terumi found it, kept for all of those years and then gave it to Saya who then gave it to the Jin of this timeline? Alternately, Yukianesa could have just been reforged to make Ookami. like, Nine creates Ookmami using Yukianesa, and then creates another Yukianesa? boerbgoe rkg wrtnepownr[trhm .krsene[gjwrnho[et[hmreb wrpghwrnhwrnh 'wr n]erpmbwn4[roh wr h;kwr afepg[w hwr
TPPR10 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Uhhh, isn't it STILL just a suit of armor, I don't recall Jin's soul being transplanted to it. And He can clearly remove the mask and clearly has Jin face (as seen back in CT). Also I would assume Terumi went on to inhabit Kazuma's body. Also Hakumen mentions that Terumi's presence still lingers in the Susanoo unit, so that makes me wonder what exactly he remembers... Look at Hakumen's electrocution sprite. There ain't no body there, just orbs and wires. So I'm pretty sure that only thing what remains of Jin is his soul inside the armor and his face. And OK, I wasn't sure when did the "Terumi fused with Kazuma" thing happen in the timeline.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Why the hell would Jin rip off his face?
C0R Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Look at Hakumen's electrocution sprite. There ain't no body there, just orbs and wires. So I'm pretty sure that only thing what remains of Jin is his soul inside the armor and his face. And OK, I wasn't sure when did the "Terumi fused with Kazuma" thing happen in the timeline. I don't think we should be using the electrocution sprites as a frame of reference, I mean it has Tao holding fish... They're obviously just for fun.
SolxBaiken Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Look at Hakumen's electrocution sprite. There ain't no body there, just orbs and wires. So I'm pretty sure that only thing what remains of Jin is his soul inside the armor and his face. What is this? Face/Off?
mAc Chaos Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 No, Hakumen is basically just a haunted suit of armor. It's a metal shell with Jin's soul implanted into it. The CT Haku route was just a dream, so you can't really take that into account. But on the other hand, taking it into account anyway... it does mention he has a face that Ragna recognizes, although he doesn't have eyes. So maybe his body IS in there. But it's more like a Darth Vader type, half-man half-robot barely anything recognizable remaining type situation.
Moy_X7 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Phase Shift 2 might lead to some answers since it supposedly focuses on "Jin/Hakumen during the Dark War". Now, who has actually read that thing? lol
mAc Chaos Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I figured the suit at the very least was needed to keep Jin alive, since he was so injured by Nu... hm. It's one of those things that was always vague... like everything else.
TPPR10 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I don't think we should be using the electrocution sprites as a frame of reference, I mean it has Tao holding fish... They're obviously just for fun. Where I am not questioning that some of things in electrocution sprites are there for cometic factor (Ada figure under Carl's hat for example), there are some genuient things about then (like Relius' arm and leg being artificial, which does shows up in his concept artwork http://images.wikia.com/blazblue/images/a/ae/Relius_Clover_%28Concept_Artwork%2C_2%29.jpg)
Alpha to Omega Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 No, Hakumen is basically just a haunted suit of armor. It's a metal shell with Jin's soul implanted into it. The CT Haku route was just a dream, so you can't really take that into account. But on the other hand, taking it into account anyway... it does mention he has a face that Ragna recognizes, although he doesn't have eyes. So maybe his body IS in there. But it's more like a Darth Vader type, half-man half-robot barely anything recognizable remaining type situation. Of course the Ragna who recognizes his face is an illusion made from Hakumen's ego so he may have recognized him even if he was staring at an empty suit.
SolxBaiken Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Wait a dream, I thought it was one of many possibilities...OF THE CONTINUUM SHIFT a possible alternate timeline like all the rest of the stories (joke endings not included)
Moy_X7 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I figured the suit at the very least was needed to keep Jin alive, since he was so injured by Nu... hm. It's one of those things that was always vague... like everything else. He's still in one piece by the time that the Alucard family tends to him: http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/BlazBlue:_Phase_Shift_2 Covered in bandages but still in one piece.
mAc Chaos Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Wait a dream, I thought it was one of many possibilities...OF THE CONTINUUM SHIFT a possible alternate timeline like all the rest of the stories (joke endings not included) Nah, it ends with him just being curled up in the Boundary all foreveralone. Basically so obsessed with Ragna that he was hallucinating over it.
SolxBaiken Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Hehe ; -; I should really play CT > CS> CSE before CP comes out, cause stuff is starting to get hazy lol
Alpha to Omega Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) Wait a dream, I thought it was one of many possibilities...OF THE CONTINUUM SHIFT a possible alternate timeline like all the rest of the stories (joke endings not included) That ending happens because Hakumen's ego causes him to resist Kokonoe's attempt to recover him from the Boundary and basically sends him into an illusion created by his will. He's still in one piece by the time that the Alucard family tends to him: http://blazblue.wikia.com/wiki/BlazBlue:_Phase_Shift_2 Covered in bandages but still in one piece. IIRC from the summary that was posted a while ago, Jin's body starts basically failing after that which is why Clavis shows him the Susano'oh Unit. Edited December 2, 2012 by Alpha to Omega
mAc Chaos Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 I never got what the deal with "ego" preventing you from being observed was. Like, I get the general thrust of it, that Hakumen is too arrogant to submit himself to Kokonoe and get her help, but I'm not sure how that works in the first place. Didn't he want to come back and kill Ragna in the first place, so why would he want to resist. I guess he just wants to do things his own way.
mAc Chaos Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 Also I wonder if that hair is just like, attached to the suit, or actually his hair.
Moy_X7 Posted December 2, 2012 Posted December 2, 2012 IIRC from the summary that was posted a while ago, Jin's body starts basically failing after that which is when Clavis shows him the Susano'oh Unit. Oooh, I'm gonna have to go over the short stories thread and see what I can dig. So is Jin's entire body placed in Susano'oh or just his soul?
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