Halcyone3 Posted December 8, 2012 Posted December 8, 2012 He sorta skids an inch off the ground. It's honestly not that rare a sight in an anime-like setting.
TPPR10 Posted December 9, 2012 Posted December 9, 2012 I have been wondering something: What purpose was Amaterasu even ment for? Relius said in his story mode in CS that Susano'o can slash through time and Tsukuyomi can protect time. I know Amaterasu causes the timeloops, but was it ment to do that or did it become rogue for some reason.
Tokkan Posted December 9, 2012 Posted December 9, 2012 Takamagahara caused the timeloops. Amaterasu is to the Susano'o and Tsukuyomi units as an admin is to a forum. It also has highly advanced phenomena intervention capabilities.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted December 9, 2012 Posted December 9, 2012 Why did Takamagahara cause the loops in the first place? I never understood anything about Takamagahara, like where do they come from, what purpose do they have, and who they are.
harmless kitten Posted December 9, 2012 Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) I thought they wanted to produce a result favorable to them--something that would be able to destroy Amaterasu. That's what they released Terumi for anyway. Takamagahara is a supercomputer/data entity/computer program that seems o exist within the Boundary. It was created by man to monitor Amaterasu and its distortions/interventions. It came to the conclusion that in order to create their ideal world, Amaterasu must be destroyed so Takamagahara might inherit the Azure. Hell, in CS that wasn't even their desired result, but Terumi snuck in and released a virus among them, so now Takamagahara is the Imperator's little puppet (see: canceling Ragna's Idea Engine through intervention). Edit: something also interesting about Takamagahara: they seem to be upholding the current world by observation. Hakumen talks about it a little, about how Arakune is becoming an uncertain/external factor like him and Rachel. External factors like them have fallen beyond Takamagahara's gaze and need another observer. oh god the star ocean 4 ending predictions are coming true Edited December 9, 2012 by harmless kitten
Ehecatl Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 *Watches the Special Intros and Tsubaki's Arcade Story* Oh goddamn it-- Jin will you CHILL THE FUCK OUT!?! What is up with you charging at Ragna screaming "NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSAAAAANNN let's murderificate each other! I want to feel your big sword inside of me!"? I thought we were past that shit. I thought in the last game you turned the crazy down a couple of notches and developed past that nonsense. I was looking forward to you acting like a sane, rational human being for once, like Hakumen without the armor. But here you are... still talking about killing your brother, still being a douche, still flying off the handle... Goddamn it. What happened to the fucking character development? I was liking him at CS because I thought he got over that, but now this just makes me wish he would die. Noel made me feel that way for two games but it seems she's got her shit straight now. This series has one thing I absolutely have always hated in stories, particularly anime stories as it's so common in anime. Characters just go nuts, loose their shit, and react completely abnormally to the point they are completely unrelatable. I mean it's just like Noel going all "Ohhh I'm a clone and the world hates me so I'm gonna go all psychoshit and destroy everything" when the plot clearly gives us people in her life that care about her and who SHE KNOWS cares about her like her friends and her parents. I couldn't begin to possibly feel sorry for her. All I felt was "really? Then fuck you. Kill yourself you selfish childish bitch." Ditto Tsubaki. I feel nothing for this woman. She's pissed because the man she's codependent on (I won't call whatever that is "love"-- it's needy, clingy desperate stalker shit) isn't paying enough attention to her so... she just says fuck it all and decides to turn 180 degrees into a psychopath who'll kill her friends? Izayoi's influence or not, screw her! I don't feel an ounce of humanity with her character. She's pathetic, like Noel was. And lets not even talk about Litchi. All three of these women sicken me to no end. You know I can understand someone who's life sucks and they want to kill themselves. I can understand someone who's desperate and trying to save someone they love. But anytime someone's like "I want to destroy the world or everything and everyone I've ever loved and who has ever loved me because x doesn't love me!", there's no way I or any sane human being can relate to a character like that. That's the kind of thinking psychopaths have. I am relatively sane and stable. When writing a story, you don't write your characters which people are suppose to empathize with them... in a way to where no one can empathize with them. It's just bad writing. Jeez most of these unstable characters are women too which says all kinds of misogynous things but again-- anime. This is why I gravitate and run to characters like Rachel Alucard and Makoto. They're like the only two women in this story who act with a modicum of sanity and self-respect-- and one looks like a loli and the other a friggin squirrel pornstar who barely dresses herself in the morning! It's like they enjoy making their "normal" women look as off and ridiculous as possible. Considering everything, it's also why I love Rachel's sarcasm, impatience, and contempt. I'd be a total bitch to everyone too if I had to deal with these people for how many thousands of years. You want a good reason to destroy the world? I think Rachel has the best out of any of them! I can barely tolerate this shit for more than a few moments anymore. Apparently she's been doing it since forever. Anymore I can relate with Ragna's lack of motivation to save the world. I wouldn't want to save this world either. Everyone in it's an asshole! Anyway, with Jin, he had a weapon screwing his mind over and making him act manic but seemed like a rational and normal person aside from the influence of yukianesa and his "Power of Order" or whatever the hell that is... So I could pardon Jin. And he seemed to be doing alright when he overcame those influences. But here we are again watching this reverse-character development. Sigh...... Sorry for the rant but I'm getting a little tired of seeing this circus of crazy melodramatic characters who go off the deep end and act completely unrecognizable for idiotic reasons...
TD Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 women. lol to be fair noel and tsubaki are in the same boat as jin. nox's in general heighten a certain emotion by alot iirc, and the effects can be very adverse (see:everyone with a nox except [or maybe not] bang). litchi is being corrupted by the boundary. we don't know by how much, but who's to say that she isn't being influenced by it more than even saving arakune, like an addiction.
harmless kitten Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 I tried to write a response to all that but my eyes glazed over sometime in the second paragraph... too tired It's not like the game ever confirmed he was over Ragna. He's still batshit crazy to Ragna and gets excited when Ragna says that they can fight later with no interruptions or third parties. He doesn't attack Ragna in the True End because there are more pressing matters. It was a temporary truce, nothing more. He's not nearly as fixated upon his brother (he still wants to save Tsubaki and he considers that his main priority right now), but of course he still wants to kill him. Even in his CT end where he has a change of heart and some subconscious realization, he still feels like he <i>must</i> kill Ragna. It'll take a lot more character development (and lectures from Jubei) for that to change. I was looking forward to you acting like a sane, rational human being for once, like Hakumen without the armor. How horrible. That would be boring if he just became a second Hakumen. I was liking him at CS because I thought he got over that, but now this just makes me wish he would die That's rather excessive for maybe 10 minutes of a character we have seen so far. @TD: Tsubaki does not have a Nox Nyctores, but she has been very, very well manipulated by Terumi and fed very partial truths to make her fight Noel, and afterwards the blind Tsubaki gives up until she meets her darling Imperator. Hell, even in Jin's story she had second thoughts right up to the color change. The girl's under a mind control spell and has been jerked around so much that I can't even blame her for anything.
TD Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 oops. l totally knew that l find it ironic how much tsu is allied with 'justice' and was manipulated into being evil this whole time.
TPPR10 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 oops. l totally knew that l find it ironic how much tsu is allied with 'justice' and was manipulated into being evil this whole time. That's what we call "Blind Justice". She thinks she's doing what's right, but she's just blindly following orders, not what she thinks would be morally right. Oh yeah, on the Jin thing, I really wasn't expecting him getting over Ragna so easily. But I was expecting that Jin would still act more calmer around Ragna. I was expecting him to be "Oh hi, borther" in unusually higer tone, but on like "BBBRRROOOOOTTHEEERRR!"
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) I detected lots of butthurt in that rant, and I kinda blacked out in the first part of the second paragraph. On the subject of Jin, I really am not surprised. It'd be pretty boring if he just became a second Hakumen, and it's not like he's any better when it comes to wanting to kill Ragna either, he's just dignified about it. People need to remember that even when Yukianesa wasn't driving him crazy, Jin was always obsessed with Ragna, and having embraced "The Power of Order" he's compelled to want to kill him, it's who he is. And this is completely ignoring that killing Ragna is only ONE of his goals now, the other being saving Tsubaki. Just because he's not Hakumen #2 doesn't mean the development he had in CS didn't stick. As for Tsubaki, she's being manipulated by outside forces and lied to that her best friend stole her place beside the man she loved, plus having grown up believing that she must obey the NOL no matter what, you can't really fault her too much there because that would fuck with anyone's sense of morality. Why is it that whenever the characters fuck up, or do things their fans don't like they're quick to scream butthurt instead of blaming the person who's responsible for damn near all of this shit, Hazama. I never see anyone direct their hatred to him, it's like he's trolling so hard he makes people even stupider. Edited December 10, 2012 by BlackYakuzu94
mAc Chaos Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 I've been playing CS again lately trying to get the DLC character story modes, and while playing Jin's I ran into the part where Jin was trying to fight Ragna, but his sword wouldn't listen to him. Ragna told him how Yukianesa was controlling him, not the other way around. Then Ragna told Jin that Jubei told him that when he mastered his sword and gained control of himself, he would become Ragna's greatest enemy. (Power of Order VS Ragna) Then Ragna told him that when that happened, he would finally fight Jin, a fight between brothers, not the Jin controlled by the sword. That pretty much shot Jin through the roof with anticipation, so he's still clearly into the idea of fighting Ragna. Just as himself, rather than being manipulated by outside forces.
.:TM:. Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 I do not think Jin should become a second Hakumen but there really is no need for the "NIIIIIISAAAAAAAN I WANT TO KILL YOU LETS KILL EACH OTHER" anymore other than sacraficing character development for fan service because Jin's attitude with Ragna gets fangirls wet. Jin still wanting to kill Ragna is fine and I expected that but some sort of change would be nice since he's supposed to have overcome Yuikianesa trying to drive him insane and Jubei is supposed to be training him. Also him showing concern for Tsubaki isn't really a change, he's always shown concern for her.
Orihalcon Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 I didn't expect him to immediately change once he broke free of Yukianesa; it'd make sense that he's not entirely out of it. It'll probably fade out as CP goes on.
.:TM:. Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 That'd be fine though I don't have much faith in Mori to be brutally honest.
Darlos9D Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 So, one of three things will happen: 1) Despite all this bluster, Ragna and Jin don't ever seriously try to kill each other (even if they do fight some more). Because, y'know, there's other real badguys and "fuck fate" and all that. 2) Ragna and Jin DO seriously try to kill each other for good (or at least comprehensible) reasons. 3) Ragna and Jin seriously try to kill each other simply because DESTINY and it's kinda lame and forced and unnatural. I just hope its not #3.
Agni Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 oops. l totally knew that l find it ironic how much tsu is allied with 'justice' and was manipulated into being evil this whole time. Well, she is a religious zealot. Honestly, the whole point of her character is that she's religiously devoted to her job and teachings and will follow anybody who has authority over her to the very end. She'll do anything if the NOL demands it. Tsubaki was never really fighting for justice. She's following some twisted perversion of it fed to her by her upbringing and the people she works for.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 So, one of three things will happen: 1) Despite all this bluster, Ragna and Jin don't ever seriously try to kill each other (even if they do fight some more). Because, y'know, there's other real badguys and "fuck fate" and all that. 2) Ragna and Jin DO seriously try to kill each other for good (or at least comprehensible) reasons. 3) Ragna and Jin seriously try to kill each other simply because DESTINY and it's kinda lame and forced and unnatural. I just hope its not #3. My money is on #1, because this being Anime, the main rivals always settle their differences and beat the baddie, and no amounts of incest related shit is going to change that cliche.
TPPR10 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Enoguh of just simply discussing Jin (not in bad way, mind you), have some more caviar special intros http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV1l3OreB2s&feature=g-high-u where we find out most of the cast hate Relius. Edited December 10, 2012 by TPPR10
harmless kitten Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 They really played up the Murakumo prototype thing with Zero-Weave Izayoi...from the emblem to the intro (with the sword dropping in), it screams "Murakumo prototype."
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 It would seem everyone wants a piece of Ragna now....he's too sexy for this series.
Volt Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 I don't speak japanese but i'm sure that Platinum called Ragna a pervert or something like that in their intro. On the subject of Jin and Ragna, Mori is still writing the console story and he is replaying CS to do it so he probably won't throw away that character development like that right? Right?
Elochai Posted December 10, 2012 Posted December 10, 2012 Jin is still gay for Ragna though, as evident by all his high-pitched quotes when fighting Ragna. Unless, of course, you meant something else by "character development."
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