Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 One thing that has been bothering for 1.1, why is Bang considered to be low/mid-tierish eventhough he looks to me (someone who doesn't play Bang but dislikes the matchup fighting him) that he is fairly solid? Cause to be top tier you have to be beyond merely "solid". What you describe is reasons for why he isn't considered bottom tier or worthless. To be top tier you need to be "absurdly exceptional" at what you do.
bakahyl Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 No i mean that even the top players from the East and West (from that old topic that got closed) think that Bang is at best lower mid-tier and the players that i know also say that he is somewhat weak http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7244-cp-news-gameplay-discussion/page-133#entry843575
Felstalker Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 One thing that has been bothering for 1.1, why is Bang considered to be low/mid-tierish eventhough he looks to me (someone who doesn't play Bang but dislikes the matchup fighting him) that he is fairly solid? Which tier are you following? I'd love to get more information on it, more than a restarted list and a single sentence of an excuse. From what I could look up(back around July so waaaay out of date) everybody seemed to same the some thing about Bang. The jist of it was a common - "He's tricky and I don't play him. He's solid and has enough changes that I don't know where to put him, so mid tier" Or for a better answer, More testing required. Characters who are not obviously overpowered tend to require testing. If they are overpowered.... High tier. A lot of people hate the matchup because they don't play or understand Bang... Which leads to nobody getting experience facing him which means fewer impressions. This doesn't go only for Bang of course. The less used characters don't get enough community development. Last I checked Bang's page on the wiki-thing was underdeveloped with barely any information on how to use or face him. I had to visit the Bang Combo page or this Gameplay one to learn anything about Bang.
Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 No i mean that even the top players from the East and West (from that old topic that got closed) think that Bang is at best lower mid-tier and the players that i know also say that he is somewhat weak http://www.dustloop.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7244-cp-news-gameplay-discussion/page-133#entry843575 Yes, this is accurate. I think what they mean is less that Bang "sucks" and more that he is weak "due to being in a game with so many so very good chars", if that makes sense. Bang is fine, there's just way stupider chars in this game so he falls by the B-tier side. Usually, the reason why people list Bang in B tier is because he has terrible matchups against a lot of the top tiers due to his lack of good defensive options. If you know what you're doing with him of course you can win and he has the tools for the job but the demands from the player to make hard reads are much higher versus Valk where he simply has unreactable mixups. Bang doesn't have that kinda stuff, he has to risk getting his face chewed to do anything, that's what makes him B tier. B tier doesn't mean he sucks, just that he has to risk more to do well.
Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Double post cause screw the rules: New heap of info about Bang: http://www.famitsu.com/cominy/?m=pc&a=page_fh_diary&target_c_diary_id=87377 Bang now has a RAPID CANCEL POSE! http://www.famitsu.com/image/33524/SS6V3MvG2DAf9nJF1EV796CC62o7y42j.jpg
ReynTime180 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Bang now has a RAPID CANCEL POSE!http://www.famitsu.com/image/33524/SS6V3MvG2DAf9nJF1EV796CC62o7y42j.jpg YOOOOOOOOOOOO
ReynTime180 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Double posting to ask what's so bad about double posting
Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Double posting to ask what's so bad about double posting Forum etiquette, to prevent clutter and whatnot you're supposed to just edit stuff in. Unless of course it's times like this. :D RAPID CANCEL POSE!
ReynTime180 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Air D bumper goes DIRECTLY ON BANG!! You know what that means? It's not just for setting up and using later, set that shit up and use it NOW!
Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 Ok some some bittersweet stuff. 2A>2A gatling is gone and 5A>6C doesn't combo any more (maybe fatal only). jC combos into jD now though.
ReynTime180 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 AMAZING REVELATION!! Kaerus Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan combos could be back
Dreiko Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 2D jump cancel on block gone, sadness. 2D seal on the other hand makes you block during FRKZ dashes. Not sure exactly how that works, if the dash will have GP itself or if you can just block by barriering or what. Article isn't specific enough.
ReynTime180 Posted October 8, 2014 Posted October 8, 2014 "2D seal lets you block in Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan" This is actually wrong. If you look at the trailers released yesterday, you'll notice bang blocking in Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan without ANY seals
SixWingedAngel Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 New bumper placement is THE DEFINITION OF ECSTASTY omg ... ... 2D jump cancel on block gone
Dreiko Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 "2D seal lets you block in Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan" This is actually wrong. If you look at the trailers released yesterday, you'll notice bang blocking in Fu-Rin-Ka-Zan without ANY seals No, I didn't say let you block in frkz, I said let you block during a frkz DASH. Like, mid-dash. It's not specified but like, after you input the dash you can somehow still block thanks to 2D.
NeMo Smash Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 Bang now has a RAPID CANCEL POSE! http://www.famitsu.com/image/33524/SS6V3MvG2DAf9nJF1EV796CC62o7y42j.jpg I think that pose is the pose when the enemy switch side, not a RC pose.
Dreiko Posted October 9, 2014 Posted October 9, 2014 I don't know how nobody noticed this yet but B nail is back to being useful again! http://youtu.be/DrsWN7pMjDM?t=46m39s
HoudiniJr100 Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 care to explain? (busy watching a relius vs hazama set to check, but seeing the bang changes pleases me :3)
Solemen Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Hey, so it seems that A-nail during combos are still there and 5D is jump cancelable on hit. Combo with 5D jump cancel on hit : http://youtu.be/cSry8wDsxv4?t=9m41s Combo with an A-nail in the middle of it : http://youtu.be/cSry8wDsxv4?t=11m39s
GreekAscendedDust Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Its CS2 5D but better and the freakin loketest LIIIIIEEEEEDDD!!! A nail combos still being in is great.
Dreiko Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 Nah, the A nail combo was out in loctest and is now back in. Dora tweeted about it being out in loctest. Oh and according to that vid's announcer 6D isn't f1 GP any more. It shall be missed. (Bang combos still look hype as hell though :D)
SixWingedAngel Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I've seen Radio before but i didn't know what his name was. Imo he's the best bang ever (!) How does he even do that immediate jump -> 22A cancel?
Dreiko Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 I've seen Radio before but i didn't know what his name was. Imo he's the best bang ever (!) How does he even do that immediate jump -> 22A cancel? 292A
SixWingedAngel Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 292A Thanks! Gonna have to practice that
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