[CP] Carl Clover Gameplay Discussion (Changelog in OP)

[JG]

It seems that our most damaging midscreen combo path atm is [stuff...], 5C, 623D, sj.B, JC, j.B, j.C, 421D, ender. You can get at least meterless 3.5k from several different starters w/that path so even without 2D and 8D, we can still do damaging combos.

Charged 6C having bonus proration is going to lead into hilarious damage. Hopefully the 623C, RC, fuoco, 6C UB setup still works in CP.

On another note, I'm going to be pretty busy within these next two weeks so the updates in the video thread might be a bit slow for a while. Although you guys have absolutely no obligation to do so, I'll be very grateful towards anyone who helps with the video thread :3

I agree and i also hope that RC Fuuoco UB is still there, if that the case, you could do two UB against some characters, this CAN be very helpful against Bang, Haz, or character without many option of reversal moves.

Hey! some time ago, i posted a new combo video made from some Japanse guy... The quality wasn't too great but he showed 7K combos that are VERY VERY viable.... And no one show interest in the video U_U, also for some reason it wasn't posted on the video section in this forums or uploaded by Jourdal or Pktz.

Well, if i find some new matches or vids i will gladly posted here if you want to.

[PyricSeraph]

I agree and i also hope that RC Fuuoco UB is still there, if that the case, you could do two UB against some characters, this CAN be very helpful against Bang, Haz, or character without many option of reversal moves.

Hey! some time ago, i posted a new combo video made from some Japanse guy... The quality wasn't too great but he showed 7K combos that are VERY VERY viable.... And no one show interest in the video U_U, also for some reason it wasn't posted on the video section in this forums or uploaded by Jourdal or Pktz.

Well, if i find some new matches or vids i will gladly posted here if you want to.

I saw the vid, it was really interesting. I'm liking the damage potential of CP Carl. First I actually have to learn how to use him though.

On a side note, I'm sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but is there an easy way to do the 6269/63269 jump input or do I just need to man it up and get used to it?

Edited April 11, 2013 by PyricSeraph

[Psykotik]

The input I like to use for the micro-dash super jump is 62169. It seems that I have the least trouble not hitting 3 as I go from 1 to 6. Aside from that though, I don't know of any easy ways to input the micro-dash super jump.

[JG]

It seem that Carl can still do cantabille, Nirvana teleport combos!!! That is great, is true that still EXT cantabille is better but hey! we can still get dmg from a random hit!

[PyricSeraph]

That's amazing. Are there examples floating around yet?

[JG]

That's amazing. Are there examples floating around yet?

Yes!!! This:

http://youtu.be/VxhEnrB9o2w?t=18m58s

Sorry for the late response, i was having a hard time finding that moment xD!!! i was starting to think it was all my imagination lol!

[PyricSeraph]

No problem, I expect the Carl boards to move slowly until we get CP. So excited that we can do stuff from cantabille+teleport. That was the main thing that made me sad from the changes.

[JG]

Now that the qualification time ended, we got 4 Carl in the tourney... A good number.

Carl player who managed to enter:

Akiba (Carl)

Nisshi (Carl)

Razu (Carl)

Suou momoko [ mucchi ] (Carl)

What do you think about them? In my case, i feel that they lack the OP/OMG factor from Ryuseei or Kyaku, but at least Nisshi and Mucchi could give us a good fight.

[Psykotik]

I won't lie, I'm slightly surprised to see Akiba on that list as I never thought his Carl is anything impressive. But then again, he won that golden ticket so who are we to judge? Definitely looking forward to see Mucchi play though (IMO, he's actually pretty close to Ryuusei and Kyaku skill-wise)

Also, now that I'm finished my exams, expect to see updates to the video thread and the wiki. Also thank you sinder for helping w/the video thread. Everyone else who didn't help, EAD.

Nah, I still love you guys <3

[JG]

I won't lie, I'm slightly surprised to see Akiba on that list as I never thought his Carl is anything impressive. But then again, he won that golden ticket so who are we to judge? Definitely looking forward to see Mucchi play though (IMO, he's actually pretty close to Ryuusei and Kyaku skill-wise)

Also, now that I'm finished my exams, expect to see updates to the video thread and the wiki. Also thank you sinder for helping w/the video thread. Everyone else who didn't help, EAD.

Nah, I still love you guys <3

Yeah, Mucchi is like the most ''reliable'' here. I will put my chips on him

[sinder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ColoHcnX88&list=PLLNrKpk47-5Pz3cRFdnBczhpJQVMYRaqV&index=10

Old video of CP Unlimited Carl

but the vid was hidden or buried deep in youtube... recently found it

New Changes

- Cantabile has much more range (almost full screen)

- Cantabile causes spinning animation rather than petty launch

- Rhapsody of memories (RoM) is similar to OD RoM.

- Deus Ex Machina is back, and is MUCH more useful. Not only does Ada come back after use, the move doesn't have a 10 second countdown. It does about 70~90 hits, ~9k damage; Easily depletes opponent's guard gage.

- Volante does 3 hits, causes more blockstun

- Terrenza (or whatever) causes spinning animation

The other Unlimited Carl changes stayed here

At least Carl got a buff in Unlimited mode....

Edited April 24, 2013 by sinder

[sinder]

BBCP Carl combovideo「You Can't Stop The Beat」

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9zcoCtf-WE

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20717516

..... I can only said one thing.... im speechless...

Seriously, this is one of the best combo videos that i ever saw. Even if you compare it with others characters CV, is still awesome! and im pretty sure that kick their asses!

You should watch this, even if you don't like Carl.

Lol! also there is another new Combo video 「No Surrender.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm20717461

This is a good day

DA FUQ!!!!!!

This is front page material

This is much better than the combo vids we've been seeing (and they were pretty good)

[Psykotik]

Jesus, look at all that Carl tech. By far the best Carl combo video we've had to date, good find JG! I'm definitely updating the combo thread after watching that.

Also, Hairspray music ftw.

Edited April 29, 2013 by Psykotik

[Rishtopher]

Pretty sure that's the best CMV I've seen in a while, in terms of editing and whatnot. Gonna have to rip that for study when CP hits.

[dc1902]

i've been seeing videos of carl players doing the allegretto cancel and they connected 5 A, does anyone know how to do this? seems like a forward step

[Mascarpone]

.. That is a very good combo video, but what the hell? Hairspray? BlazBlue: Live on Braodway

Something about puppet masters in boy-shorts and John Travolta in a dress seems to go together though, right?

Edited May 1, 2013 by Mascarpone

[sinder]

D: !!!!!!!!|

Psyk why'd you delete that Carl player vid thread we had, I waz gonna upload some more scru- good matches to it

I didn't know you could get a fermatta off of a volante (scaling is brutal though) and that thread has potential

[Psykotik]

Did you mean the EX video thread? I closed it because EX is more or less irrelevant at this point. I'll open up a netplay/misc video thread to make up for it when I get home.

[sinder]

Did you mean the EX video thread?

lol?

I'll open up a netplay/misc video thread to make up for it when I get home.

yay

[Kurushii]

Psykotik why not just make a critique thread? Already a thread in the netplay section for video posting http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?13211

[Psykotik]

Opened the new thread.

[sinder]

I updated the Tager thread since that was requested a while ago and I forgot about it until today

I reviewed the other threads and they all had some decent discussion so that was much less work than I thought (didn't really see a point for updating all of them)

you know what

the more i think about it, if every character MU thread had that much info, the carl section would be too OP

actually considering adding a bunch of detail to them such as common situations and specific moves and what to do when carl encounters them. thing is, it's too much work!!! yet it would look really good

but, it will get done!

by August 29th..........

Edited May 17, 2013 by sinder

[JG]

In the end, no Carl manage to get at least top 8 in Arc Revo. I believe this is the first time that Carl isn't in top 8 on a big tournament.

Is true that Carl is indeed a very powerfull character in CP, by no meas he is a pushover, you can still get easily 6K dmg in mid-screen and his OD is one of the best of the cast, you can add to this his impressive mixup options. But!, it seem that the lack of solo combos with cantabille, plus the excessive Nirvana gauge consumption, is hitting him really bad or more like it pushing him back.

Don't look cantabille as a mean to do dmg solo combos, just look it as a time out for Nirvana, for let her rest and event manage to recover a decent amount of his gauge. Now it look that is more hard to Carl to continue his game, if he manage to catch the opponent, most of the time he end spending at least 50% of Nirvana gauge, so if you try to do a couple of mixup after that and manage to do connect them, you end with almost no meter to perform the next combo. You can see this in a lot of matches, were Carl players are literally forced to stop his pressure, because if the don't, they will empty Nirvana gauge.

I like his dmg and mixup option a lot in Cp, but this is the only aspect of Carl that worry me.... he seem to have a hard time to continue his game, especially when he spend almost half of his Nirvana gaugue trying to catch the opponent.

[JG]

I see, give him my thanks.

Having looked at the leaderboards, I've noticed that some of the top Carl players changed their handles. Although I do have a suspicion on who's who, if anyone can help confirm the identity of a player, that would be greatly appreciated. With that said, the video thread will probably be updated this weekend.

Could you be so kind and tell me where i can chek the leaderboards?

[Kurushii]

Could you be so kind and tell me where i can chek the leaderboards?

http://sp.bbcp.ac/ranking_view.php?mode=exe&type=psr_rank&couse=&charactor=ca&pref=0