Oiboi Posted January 22, 2007 Posted January 22, 2007 Ah, yeah, sorry for clarifying, I meant his force break. And I must have missed it on page 4, you know how your brain kind of sees things but doesn't really register... Thanks anyways! EDIT: After seeing that Force Break, and the mega Abusability of f5S (that player loved to use it), I can't wait for Accent Core. Not that I could have before. I'm loving some of these changes, after seeing them in action.
Tiamat Posted January 24, 2007 Posted January 24, 2007 http://www.calchas.fuyu.gs/gg_movie.html If you haven't seen those yet there are two good AC Zappa videos there for download. Raoh mode jH is sweet. I hadn't seen it used much in AC vids till I watched these.
GhostSummoner Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 http://www.calchas.fuyu.gs/gg_movie.html If you haven't seen those yet there are two good AC Zappa videos there for download. Raoh mode jH is sweet. I hadn't seen it used much in AC vids till I watched these. From seeing a few of those downloaded videos, Zappa is finally coming up in the ranks....at least to me he is...he is looking quite abusive and will fuck someone up really badly...
Ukyo Tachibana Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Heh, let's not jump the gun too soon. Be happy if Zappa is at least mid-tier. :P But from the looks of it, naked Zappa isn't totally helpless anymore, especially if he is dictating the advantage. The stagger on CH far 5S is very helpful to potentially land 3 free orbs. And as an oki game, it appears early far 5S on block has frame adv.! lol, still though, you know what they say about old dogs. I'm not gonna set myself up for disappointment. :P
Tiamat Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 Yes, true...I'm expecting him to be a solid mid tier character in this game. Hopefully that's not overly optimistic. I heard that most japanese think he is B tier now but that's just hearsay and it is still early. no CH is needed for the stagger on f.S they just need to get hit by it while it's on the ground
amishrolf Posted January 25, 2007 Posted January 25, 2007 it'd be great if Zappa gets to at least low B tier. also, as an avid Zappa player, it's a shame his 6H had been screwed up [the whole knockdown only on CH bugs me]. however, it's nice to know Zappa appears to be getting better each game.
GhostSummoner Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 Ive been noticing that lately, and for some reason, i feel as though hes going to be awesome as hell pretty soon.
Ukyo Tachibana Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 I just want to say that being able to combo 63214HS from 5HS (IF it's still in the final version of Accent Core) might be a HUGE improvement... Zappa doesn't really have a meaningful Sword bread and butter that comes from 2K, so every once in a while, you can 2K, 5S, 5HS, 63214HS... which gains you orbs! OH, and apparently it causes a wall bounce so you can combo further? Does anyone know if his new aerial sword move gains you any more orbs? I really hated the fact that you can no longer combo 63214HS from 6HS, but now it appears you can combo into this move again. So that's a really good change. Combine 2K with your occasional 5D-ing (which is still pretty hard to see since they upped the 5D speed in Slash, and I assume it's still the same speed), and we really do indeed see a vastly improved Zappa.
Oiboi Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 I've been seeing a lot of that 'Blue' player lately. Also, did anyone notice the new orbs? I like the way the look now. Or maybe it's a mix of low quality and recolor thats making it look different to me... Who knows. EDIT: Ghost HS toss bounces off the wall now. It's the Zap vs May at the bottom, in the corner, the ghost bounces just above her head and comes back down. I wonder if S does too...
Dangief Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 Everything I've heard points to Zappa being able to combo into Sword Swipe then followup with air combo after the bounce. The tradeoff being that it only hits once now (Ithink for only 1 orb) but it is so worth it to have the sword do real, reliable damage instead of just off counterhits and with tension and still really only good for orbs. Basically, everything is looking better for Zappa so long as everyone else's improvements don't outpace him. But I'm still kind of upset about 6HS, if Eddie can have is UBs back and do damage again, why can't Zappa have one really strong setup?
Zoogstin Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 But I'm still kind of upset about 6HS, if Eddie can have is UBs back and do damage again, why can't Zappa have one really strong setup? Unfortunately its because Zappa's 2D, 6HS was considered a loop. It stinks I know. I'd be nice if there was some sort of knock down that Zappa gained to compensate for the loss. Oh and Ukyo the final version of slash does have Zappa's sword being able to combo after 5HS. :grin: Also I read somewhere that his 5D is around two frames longer now. So its not as fast. :blue:
Tiamat Posted January 26, 2007 Posted January 26, 2007 Does anyone know if his new aerial sword move gains you any more orbs? Sadly it does not. It still looks like a great move to end combos with if nothing else...seems like a decent air to air as well from what I've seen.
Zerite Posted January 26, 2007 Author Posted January 26, 2007 Don't forget that it knocksdown on counterhit. spinning sword move that is.
GhostSummoner Posted January 27, 2007 Posted January 27, 2007 I guess the spinny sword knockdown is compensation for the removal of the knockdown on 6hs. I guess in a way maybe, but that f.s move is pretty sweet though....the opponent slips on zappas throw/spit. Why does that remind me of Bo-ry-cho *misspelled* from the Mortal Kombat series and how he has sorta the same move? Not to jump subjects...but it really does though.
Zoogstin Posted January 28, 2007 Posted January 28, 2007 EDIT: Ghost HS toss bounces off the wall now. It's the Zap vs May at the bottom, in the corner, the ghost bounces just above her head and comes back down. I wonder if S does too... Could you post the link to this vid please. :grin:
poon Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 fubarduck: I want to tell YOU all about Guilty Gear Accent Core Zappa fubarduck: AKA, the best character ever invented! AnderHarrison: whoa what now AnderHarrison: tell me AnderHarrison: is he that fun fubarduck: Yes. AnderHarrison: are all his summons good fubarduck: Everything is awesome fubarduck: Sword is better, ghosts are better, dog is better, Raoh is better fubarduck: but that's not even the kicker. AnderHarrison: i told you he was going to be really good AnderHarrison: what what fubarduck: So get this. fubarduck: Zappa's Force Break AnderHarrison: yes fubarduck: is QCB + Dust. it takes 25% meter. fubarduck: It's an unsummon, and its almost instant start-up . . . AnderHarrison: nice nice fubarduck: . . . and it's also an overhead. which gives you one orb for hitting. AnderHarrison: thats really good fubarduck: . . . and you can OTG a summon afterwards for 3 more orbs. AnderHarrison: hahahahha AnderHarrison: so off a mixup AnderHarrison: you cna just have raoh if you want fubarduck: So, example. 4 orbs + Sword/ghost. run up, do a mixup, get Raoh. AnderHarrison: i knew youd love him fubarduck: what's even funnier is sometimes it bounces them to where you can perfectly do a meaty Raoh fireball after the OTG summon fubarduck: I think it happens whenever the force break hits counter-hit. fubarduck: and yeah, my new dog combo is: crossup HS + neutral dust, chain combo, neutral dust, cancel into up dust, air combo. fubarduck: cancelling moves is really really good. but you can't cancel if you whiff with the dog, thats the only downside. AnderHarrison: that would be unfair fubarduck: Right, it would. fubarduck: anyway he's upper tier now for sure AnderHarrison: thats so awesome fubarduck: basically the unsummon gives him a new mixup at anytime. .. . as long as he has 25% meter AnderHarrison: my 2 characters are really good now too fubarduck: i'm chaining you up close . . . am I going to overhead you and get Raoh? or do my sweep with new ridiculous reach into summon?
amishrolf Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 Did I just read sweep with reach!?!?!?! O RLY!?
Tiamat Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 Be nice if his 2D really had more range...cause his 2K has more range than his 2D right now...which is kinda lol... AC zappa keeps sounding better and better
Zoogstin Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 Yeah and most if not all of the Zappa's that I've seen in the videos are played by really good people so we are able to see what Zappa is really capable of. The combos I've seen with Raoh's j HS are are just too sick. I could cry with joy!!!!!!!
poon Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 you guys didnt know his sweep had more reach? i read that in a changelog a long time ago
CrimsonDisaster Posted January 29, 2007 Posted January 29, 2007 you guys didnt know his sweep had more reach? i read that in a changelog a long time ago I just read that convo and I imagined Ryan excitedly saying all of that out loud and smiling a lot. Also drinking a beer and wearing a nice shirt. Did not know the unsummon was also an overhead. Oh man.
GhostSummoner Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Even besides the 2d and 2k reach, zappa is off-the-hook now and with all the pretty-ful upgrades, hes bound to make brutal ass whuppings
Jet Set Dizzy Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 I think there is a replacement dog bite infinate. i saw it in the butterfly video. it involves f.5s I guess the spinny sword knockdown is compensation for the removal of the knockdown on 6hs. I guess in a way maybe, but that f.s move is pretty sweet though....the opponent slips on zappas throw/spit. Why does that remind me of Bo-ry-cho *misspelled* from the Mortal Kombat series and how he has sorta the same move? Not to jump subjects...but it really does though. and about the trip on the vomit. Norimaro from marvel super heros vs street fighter(jap) had a launcher where he sliped on a banana and if him falling missed you the banana landed on the floor and could hit you low. EDIT: PS. Im sorry but mortal kombat really sucks.
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