kylehyde Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Hey, Blade was the one who said it. Â Yeah I know and I'm sorry I selected you but once we start talking about NTR and shit like that you know the conversation is going to places better best avoided. Â It really doesn't take much to derail a thread as can be clearly seen in the Blazblue story threads.
Poultrygeist Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Guilty Gear's story is the most ridiculous fucking anime soap opera ever. Â Jesus fuck.
Fenris Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Anime and anime-based plot(?) authors/creators tend to add all kinds of ridiculous twists and turns when they feel as though the plot is becoming far too similar to another anime or anime-based plot(?). They're basically trying to establish a sense of uniqueness and originality in their plot--in a medium where uniqueness and originality are largely believed to be dead. Unfortunately, in doing so, Guilty Gear is starting to look very much like Blazblue...or vice-versa(?).
Poultrygeist Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I think it's the other way around. Â Since BB was brought in when they lost the rights to GG, it seems likely that they were planning to do all of this stuff from the beginning, but now that BB got to flourish for the nearly decade long absence of GG, it seems like the two are the same thing now.
noct76 Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Anime and anime-based plot(?) authors/creators tend to add all kinds of ridiculous twists and turns when they feel as though the plot is becoming far too similar to another anime or anime-based plot(?). They're basically trying to establish a sense of uniqueness and originality in their plot--in a medium where uniqueness and originality are largely believed to be dead. Unfortunately, in doing so, Guilty Gear is starting to look very much like Blazblue...or vice-versa(?). Speaking as someone who came into the plot at Xrd (though I have looked up the previous games stories). I really don't have an issue with GG's plot direction. I am not about to claim it is a timeless classic piece of literature but it is some good over the top fun. Maybe I am not looking for as much form it as you are but I feel the world is interesting and the characters have heart so even if the plot is nothing to brag to everyone about it is really fun and thats all I really ask for.
redsilversnake Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 I think it's the other way around. Â Since BB was brought in when they lost the rights to GG, it seems likely that they were planning to do all of this stuff from the beginning, but now that BB got to flourish for the nearly decade long absence of GG, it seems like the two are the same thing now. That would be incorrect. While Mori says he has a general outline of BB's story, Ishiwatari, at least recently, has said that he makes up the story for GG as it goes along.
Fenris Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Speaking as someone who came into the plot at Xrd (though I have looked up the previous games stories). I really don't have an issue with GG's plot direction. I am not about to claim it is a timeless classic piece of literature but it is some good over the top fun. Maybe I am not looking for as much form it as you are but I feel the world is interesting and the characters have heart so even if the plot is nothing to brag to everyone about it is really fun and thats all I really ask for. Â Not sure if or how my post came across as if I didn't like the plot and all. I'm actually quite obsessed with it (I actually went into work this morning in zombie mode because I pulled an all-nighter brushing up on my GG lore, lol). Despite what I said in my last post, I really like complex plotlines. Although, my main attachment to this series is the characters, and I like to keep tabs on whatever happens to them, if that makes sense. Aaaand, it appears we're getting off-topic here. .-.
Poultrygeist Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 That would be incorrect. While Mori says he has a general outline of BB's story, Ishiwatari, at least recently, has said that he makes up the story for GG as it goes along. Huh. Â Well, that makes sense. Â Thanks for the clarification.
Solhunter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Hey, Blade was the one who said it. He never suggested that Dizzy was a Valentine(and FenrirHades started the "Ky screwed a clone of a clone of Sol's dead lover" conversation FYI), only that like the Valentines, she's a copy of Justice/Aria, which both Crow and Paradigm confirmed in Accent Core and Overture respectively. Â Â The difference being that Dizzy is a Gear and apparently a successful replica of Justice, while the Valentines are more human-like with Gear aspects and incomplete. Â Not to mention Dizzy and Justice's relationship with the Outrage. Â Â The question then comes down to: Where did Dizzy come from? Â Since the Universal Will created the Valentines and the Variable X's, who created Dizzy? Â The Universal Will is out because we've seen its Aria-based clones, and they are nothing like Dizzy. Â P.W.A.B/Conclave is out since they were only able to make robotic replicas of Justice. Â Like I said, Dizzy is becoming more mysterious with each new entry.
Blade Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 New character I'm hearing about by the name of  "Tuner" (調律師, Chouritsushi).  ---Apparently is the Doctor for the Japanese (Faust and Chronus are trying to contact her). ---Wears Japanese clothing and a bell of some kind. ---Tuner seems to be friends with Johnny. ---Leo speaks to Tuner at some point (Leo says it's only been a few days after the end of Xrd's Story) ---Faust says something to the effect that the Japanese "Ki Overflow Syndrome" is a more advanced case than Mays and can't be treated in the same way as she is being treated for it (something to do with having a very high and increasing Fever, despite other diseases and outdoor temperatures).  Other stuff: ---People are chasing Jack-O' (who goes by Jack-O'Valentine in the story supposedly) ---Jack-O' holds "Half of Aria" but Aria was used as material to make Justice (fans suspect Elphelt may have part of Aria inside her too) ---Jack-O' has some kind of mental regression thing going on and acts very childlike for a reason. ---Jack-O' looks at Sol and recalls memories, but these aren't Aria's memories. ---Jack-O' wears her mask "because" she looks like Aria. ---Chronus couldn't fuse with Justice properly last time. ---Sol is dealing with the "Flame of Corruption" inside of him (his Gear nature?) ---Raven is trying to help save Elphelt, who is currently being 'protected' in Bedman's Dream World(?)  I'll try and find more if it's coherent.
Solhunter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I was just messing around:X sry No worries, man. ^_^
Solhunter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 New character I'm hearing about by the name of  "Tuner" (調律師, Chouritsushi).  ---Apparently is the Doctor for the Japanese (Faust and Chronus are trying to contact her). ---Wears Japanese clothing and a bell of some kind. ---Tuner seems to be friends with Johnny. ---Leo speaks to Tuner at some point (Leo says it's only been a few days after the end of Xrd's Story) ---Faust says something to the effect that the Japanese "Ki Overflow Syndrome" is a more advanced case than Mays and can't be treated in the same way as she is being treated for it (something to do with having a very high and increasing Fever, despite other diseases and outdoor temperatures).  Other stuff: ---People are chasing Jack-O' (who goes by Jack-O'Valentine in the story supposedly) ---Jack-O' holds "Half of Aria" but Aria was used as material to make Justice (fans suspect Elphelt may have part of Aria inside her too) ---Jack-O' has some kind of mental regression thing going on and acts very childlike for a reason. ---Jack-O' looks at Sol and recalls memories, but these aren't Aria's memories. ---Jack-O' wears her mask "because" she looks like Aria. ---Chronus couldn't fuse with Justice properly last time. ---Sol is dealing with the "Flame of Corruption" inside of him (his Gear nature?) ---Raven is trying to help save Elphelt, who is currently being 'protected' in Bedman's Dream World(?)  I'll try and find more if it's coherent. Y'know, it's beating a dead horse, but I hope that we can see Raven's Arcade Win Quote with Axl so we can get a better hint about what their entire deal is.  So far, Ishiwatari has said that they aren't AU counterparts of one another, but it still hasn't been explained why Raven keeps repelling Axl from whatever timeline they're in whenever they come in proximity of each other.  And Raven traveling with Sol and the others...man, I don't know how that's going to go since Raven makes no bones that he hates Sol and that the only reason he doesn't kill him is because he's vital to That Man's ultimate plan.   As for Jack-O,  I wonder if the memories she has are actually Justice's instead of Aria's.  *Sighs* Revelator couldn't come out soon enough.  We really need context here.
Blade Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 As far as Raven goes... if you've ever seen Caius Ballad in Final Fantasy XIII-2, he's kinda like HIM. Â Basically, immortal in all timelines at once... he's just "there".
The Badgerine Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 That would be incorrect. While Mori says he has a general outline of BB's story, Ishiwatari, at least recently, has said that he makes up the story for GG as it goes along.  just like hirohiko araki kappa  One thing I liked about Xrd's story is that, despite having all that over-the-top lore behind it, the main plot itself was pretty simple and self-contained, simply focusing on combating the Conclave and a handful of character development, I could follow it pretty easily. I hope it stays that way for Revelator, lest I get my GG equivalent of Chronophantasma's headscratcher of a story mode.
Blade Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 ^ Don't kid yourself, you know you want to be caught up in the Lore. Â I started with the first game, it was as "simple" and straightforward as you just said, but then I played the NEXT game and the NEXT game and so on and so on.... it adds up. Â DAT VETERAN STATUS
The Badgerine Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Hey man, I'll gladly read up lore. I just liked that the main plot in Xrd wasn't a confuzzling web of multidimensional shenangians.
Blade Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 You want "confuzzling", read this tag. Â Read this to "try" and keep things straight in your head. Â Don't get me started on the other crap in my head.
The Badgerine Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I've read your blog good sir. I know how it gets. Â I'd like to move on from this conversation please. Â So anyway, everyone took note of Raven traveling with Sol and Sin but not that Ramlethal is now traveling with them. While it makes sense from a character standpoint, one thing I'd like to know is how Ramlethal's initial declaration of war was actually broadcast. Because if anyone saw her face during that spiel, traveling with her's gonna get inconvenient.
Solhunter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Hey man, I'll gladly read up lore. I just liked that the main plot in Xrd wasn't a confuzzling web of multidimensional shenangians. Ohohoho, don't worry. Â As a loyal fan who follows the lore of both BB and GG, I can assure you that GG doesn't dive into the realm of insanity that is BB. Â Sure, we have I-NO time-travelling to create the main series' timeline, Sol ignoring a time paradox, and Raven manipulating causality due to being immortal, but the closest you get to the multi-dimensional shenanigans is Axl randomly visiting different periods in the timeline(even meeting other versions of himself; no, not Raven!). Â Of course, it still has its fair share of mysteries. Â Like why Marina had Justice's seal despite supposedly being a full human, Â Tyr's origins regarding who created him and what exactly he is(and why he was sealed in the Japanese Colony), Â what exactly is the Outrage's connection to Gears (and what the Outrage really is), Â the Japanese's affinity to Ki and why the Universal Will materialized in Japan (as well as what the Universal Will is), The O.P.U.S and their possible connection to A.B.A, Ky's left eye, among the other questions.
kylehyde Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 I wonder what those memories that Jack O got when she saw Sol were about. If they were not Aria memories than what were they?
The Badgerine Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 all dose questions  Although I have this strange feeling that Xtra's been retconned or something, attributed to its absence in Xrd's Library Mode.  Like, some portions of XX have been retconned for sure ('gaiden game') but if Xtra doesn't even appear in the Library Mode, which otherwise compiles every damn thing? What else could it mean?
Solhunter Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 all dose questions  Although I have this strange feeling that Xtra's been retconned or something, attributed to its absence in Xrd's Library Mode.  Like, some portions of XX have been retconned for sure ('gaiden game') but if Xtra doesn't even appear in the Library Mode, which otherwise compiles every damn thing? What else could it mean? It not being in the current Library doesn't indicate anything.  A lot of the supplemental material like Night of Knives, A.B.A's and Paracelsus' first meeting,  Raven's short story, huge portions of Lightning the Argent's story,  among other things aren't mentioned in the Library. Heck, the Library tries to be deceptive by indicating that there are people masquerading as That Man.
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