Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Shinhwa]

Seriously though, Ragna was going to learn what Azure Grimoire truly is but it was never revealed what it truly is and what Ragna learned... why...

[raziel12]

Seriously though, Ragna was going to learn what Azure Grimoire truly is but it was never revealed what it truly is and what Ragna learned... why...

unless he learned it while fighting nu or someone else while inside the black beast and i dont know if that was even possable being with nu lol

but didnt he go bak in time more then once they said in phase shift 4

Edited December 6, 2013 by raziel12

[Shinhwa]

Would be interesting if Ragna has to go back in time once again to do a certain thing but in a different way.

[Toxin45]

perhaps the Xblaze is the true blazblue it is called the original grmiore after all

[Shinhwa]

Too easy to guess... I don't think it is that simple lol

[harmless kitten]

Still, is this these two the same Black Beast? they are so different... One look more organic and the other looks more like energy life form...

Xblaze:http://i.imgur.com/PwjvKRL.png

BlazBlue: http://i.imgur.com/KWxAy5P.png

I think this is just a case of different artists. The Black Beast looks different depending on whoever draws it. It's bulkier and solid in most of the CGs from CT, slightly translucent and more proportioned in CS, drawn with different heads and wispier in the light novels, then back to solid but more serpentine for XB.

examples

Calamity Trigger, Calamity Trigger, the mini Black Beast in "that which is inherited," Phase 0, Phase Shift 2, Phase Shift 4, the corrupted dogs in Phase 0, old Dead Spike.

Any discrepancies can just be put down to the fluid nature of seithr. Though idk the Black Beast in the CG for XB would have to be a different BB than the one we all know and love in BB simply because of timeline stuff right?

Edited December 7, 2013 by harmless kitten

[Shinhwa]

I think this is just a case of different artists. The Black Beast looks different depending on whoever draws it. It's bulkier and solid in most of the CGs from CT, slightly translucent and more proportioned in CS, drawn with different heads and wispier in the light novels, then back to solid but more serpentine for XB.

examples

Calamity Trigger, Calamity Trigger, the mini Black Beast in "that which is inherited," Phase 0, Phase Shift 2, Phase Shift 4, the corrupted dogs in Phase 0, old Dead Spike.

Any discrepancies can just be put down to the fluid nature of seithr. Though idk the Black Beast in the CG for XB would have to be a different BB than the one we all know and love in BB simply because of timeline stuff right?

That's what I said lol. It's just the art, so there is no need to take their design that seriously XD

[Shinhwa]

So, who do you think will be in Izanami's arsenal in next game? Right now she only has like Phantom. I think Nu is also included as she is still technically Sword of Izanami but I can't really say as it was not shown what the hell happened to her after she backstabbed Ragna (All she did was move "right" ===> afterwards.)

I think Izanami may free Azrael from his imprisonment and let him roam free so he can go around killing the Chosen ones.

There is still the possibility that Ragna will be her pawn for awhile... If the theories about her being the Azure Priestess is true, then it means she can pretty much tame Ragna in Beast Mode...

I think Nine/Phantom will become Izanami's new scientist or something as Relius was fired (well abandoned or betrayed also works XD). Considering Nine was the one who created Ars Magus, it means she can go create something too again. Like mother, like daughter (Kokonoe).

Speaking of which, since some characters can't use Ars Magus, I won't be surprised if Kokonoe creates a device/support that will allow Ars Magus to be used.

I think there is also possibility that similar beings to Es-N will appear in the game, where Izanami will have like limited mass-produced Murakumo Units based on Nu maybe. This is just a random theory. It is true that Izanami will win once all the Chosen ones disappear, so she does need to have some arsenal to kill them.

I wonder how Izanami would be if she really fought for real (unlike the Takemikazuchi boss battle). Hope she has her own battle outfit lol

[Zedar90]

I think this is just a case of different artists. The Black Beast looks different depending on whoever draws it. It's bulkier and solid in most of the CGs from CT, slightly translucent and more proportioned in CS, drawn with different heads and wispier in the light novels, then back to solid but more serpentine for XB.

examples

Calamity Trigger, Calamity Trigger, the mini Black Beast in "that which is inherited," Phase 0, Phase Shift 2, Phase Shift 4, the corrupted dogs in Phase 0, old Dead Spike.

Any discrepancies can just be put down to the fluid nature of seithr. Though idk the Black Beast in the CG for XB would have to be a different BB than the one we all know and love in BB simply because of timeline stuff right?

It's nothing that really bothers me much, but I was simply wondering if the "God of Calamity" was also a Murakumo+Azure Grimoire or if the Black Beast in Blazblue was simply an imitation made out of a part of the God of Calamity.

About the emblem in the Xblaze trailer (https://i.imgur.com/ELVnnuz.jpg), I was looking at the emblem for Hinata (https://i.imgur.com/R8w5WJn.jpg) and thought it maybe was Hinata's with the "wings" spread out with Murakumo blades added on. It might be Es' emblem. Also, It's interesting that the bottom part of both emblems have similar "twin birds" as Blazblue's emblem.

[raziel12]

if they do plan to make a xblaze 2 their a good chance they will release it before the final blazblue game

i like ragnas emblem it looks like a 3 headed dragon with wings

[Shinhwa]

There has to be a main central reason why Amaterasu even started making all these timeloops. All we know about it is the story of "The Girl and a Book", and that the reason she is keep doing it is because she doesn't like the "ending", where she tries to rewrite the story several times but it just doesn't work, but that's like a simplified version. And if it is true that the same Es from XBlaze = Amaterasu, then what was it that led her to do what she is doing now in Blazblue? I hope that's covered in either XBlaze 2 if it does come out or just Blazblue 4.

[Zedar90]

There has to be a main central reason why Amaterasu even started making all these timeloops. All we know about it is the story of "The Girl and a Book", and that the reason she is keep doing it is because she doesn't like the "ending", where she tries to rewrite the story several times but it just doesn't work, but that's like a simplified version. And if it is true that the same Es from XBlaze = Amaterasu, then what was it that led her to do what she is doing now in Blazblue? I hope that's covered in either XBlaze 2 if it does come out or just Blazblue 4.

One thing that is interesting with Xblaze is that Hinata and Es could rebuild the world, that would be impossible if Amaterasu existed. And as I wrote, only Master Unit is mentioned, not once is Amaterasu Unit said.

[Toxin45]

One thing that is interesting with Xblaze is that Hinata and Es could rebuild the world, that would be impossible if Amaterasu existed. And as I wrote, only Master Unit is mentioned, not once is Amaterasu Unit said.

So meaning that one of them is amateratsu. As stated the original unit is from the alucard family so maybe they help in making the sankishin units and Uzme being their as Amane Nisiki.Maybe even Jubei and Valkynhyin

Edited December 7, 2013 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

One thing that is interesting with Xblaze is that Hinata and Es could rebuild the world, that would be impossible if Amaterasu existed. And as I wrote, only Master Unit is mentioned, not once is Amaterasu Unit said.

I know that in XBlaze they only mentioned Master Unit. I thought it was that Es touched the Master Unit and pretty much became Master Unit Amaterasu? Also didn't Hinata have Es inherit the Embryo?

[Zedar90]

I know that in XBlaze they only mentioned Master Unit. I thought it was that Es touched the Master Unit and pretty much became Master Unit Amaterasu? Also didn't Hinata have Es inherit the Embryo?

Yeah, but what I mean is that while Amaterasu is the Master Unit it doesn't mean that the Master Unit is Amaterasu. Master Unit could have become Amaterasu Unit later.

[Toxin45]

Yeah, but what I mean is that while Amaterasu is the Master Unit it doesn't mean that the Master Unit is Amaterasu. Master Unit could have become Amaterasu Unit later.

Maybe Es fused with Master into becoming Amateratsu.

[heavymetalmixer]

Maybe Es fused with Master into becoming Amateratsu.

And it would make sense if Es is the girl and the Master Unit is the book.

[Shinhwa]

There is something I need to know...

Amaterasu was responsible for majority of time loops right?

But Takahamagara was the one who made time loops in CT right?

So just when did Amaterasu make several time loops?

Because the thing I am curious about is the story of "A Book and the Girl", and as you know, that's the story in a simplified manner told by Rachel. So if we were to put the concept from the story into the Blazblue world as a whole, just who is the "Hero", and who is the Girl that's trapped inside the monster in reality?

The writer is Amaterasu. That's a fact. But the ones that come out in the "story" is unknown.

[Zedar90]

When looking at the cover for BBCP:MC(https://i.imgur.com/9oCSxHi.jpg) I noticed that there was some writing on the coffin in the background. It says: M***KUMO ** 01 **YA. (*= covered by yukianesa)

So is Saya alpha? Did she fall into the cauldron and later would be salvaged back and later be used as base for 11,12,13 by Relius?

It would mean that 0th Unit would be someone else...

Edited December 8, 2013 by Zedar90

[Calamitus]

When looking at the cover for BBCP:MC(https://i.imgur.com/9oCSxHi.jpg) I noticed that there was some writing on the coffin in the background. It says: M***KUMO ** 01 **YA. (*= covered by yukianesa)

So is Saya alpha? Did she fall into the cauldron and later would be salvaged back and later be used as base for 11,12,13 by Relius?

It would mean that 0th Unit would be someone else...

Does it means that Izanami can turn into Black Beast herself (considering body which she uses)?

[Zedar90]

Does it means that Izanami can turn into Black Beast herself (considering body which she uses)?

Maybe? Saya would be a very early "Murakumo Unit" so it's hard to say.

[Toxin45]

Well ragna and toys could be 0 as well as Jun because he could be q early murakumo

[Toxin45]

Rachel could be an avatar for Es when she is in the Master Unit.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Toxin45

[kylehyde]

Does Ragna and Touya have any type of connection towards each other? Never played XBlaze but I know that the two them have like BB qualities or something.

[harmless kitten]

Does Ragna and Touya have any type of connection towards each other? Never played XBlaze but I know that the two them have like BB qualities or something.

Soul Eater and eyes turning red, plus the beast thing. Maybe the Azure Grimoire was modeled after the Original Grimoire, maybe not. Note that Ragna and Sechs are both voiced by Sugita, and all the characters that share voice actors between BB/XB are supposed to have a reason for that (except Isocchi).