Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Toxin45]

well why did Zedar said she was created by Amateratsu and besides We now known that Izanami is the true antagonist of the blazblue series and had been using Terumi and Relius as puppets the entire time.

[Master Of Chaos]

Ammy created everything, IIRC. I fail to see how any of that is relevant.

[Shinhwa]

The fact is that Amaterasu did make some people go mad due to the numerous time loops.

[Toxin45]

so yeah anyway I got the Saya possessed by Izanami earlier theory from Episode 3 i mean she was walking casually with Terumi for god's sake and also the story about the orphanage.

[kylehyde]

So after re-watching Episode 18 of chronophantasma route, there is one line that caught my interest:

Saya: (Nii-sama is rejecting me again...)

I don't know if Izanami did that on purpose, but for some reason, I think that line kind of directs to something. It also kind of makes me remind me about the Girl=Monster and the Hero (Eiyuu) story.

I can tell that the story has a huge meaning behind the entire Blazblue story.

Isn't she just talking about Ragna refusing to go to her side?

[Toxin45]

but Izanami betrays Terumi so he's mortal now

[Toxin45]

he could have been a servant to Izanami since he talked to a Crystal that has an entity within it since they share the same goal.

[kylehyde]

but Izanami betrays Terumi so he's mortal now

he could have been a servant to Izanami since he talked to a Crystal that has an entity within it since they share the same goal.

Just edit your post and add to it, don't double post. Sorry, not trying to be mean just trying to save you some trouble in the future.

Edited December 3, 2013 by kylehyde

[Toxin45]

Just edit your post and add to it, don't double post. Sorry, not trying to be mean just trying to save you some trouble in the future.

Sorry I mean Sechs is a servant to Izanami since Sechs was talking to someone on the crystal and Izanami's betrayal maid Terumi mortal.Also I had a couple theories that involve Xblaze like Es she is more like Rachel except more happier and could have been seperated from her family by Izanami and had her modified so she wouldn't remember who she was plus she was riding a cat that looks like Nagoand Soichiro being Yuki Terumi because they have the same eye color and after his death became a ghost and now serves Izanami after she discovered him.Also I had a crazy theory that Touya and Ragna being the same person but just a different body designed to be similar to Sechs.

[Shinhwa]

Sorry I mean Sechs is a servant to Izanami since Sechs was talking to someone on the crystal and Izanami's betrayal maid Terumi mortal.Also I had a couple theories that involve Xblaze like Es she is more like Rachel except more happier and could have been seperated from her family by Izanami and had her modified so she wouldn't remember who she was plus she was riding a cat that looks like Nagoand Soichiro being Yuki Terumi because they have the same eye color and after his death became a ghost and now serves Izanami after she discovered him.Also I had a crazy theory that Touya and Ragna being the same person but just a different body designed to be similar to Sechs.

I think on the XBlaze thread there was a mention about Ragna actually having the soul of Touya, which would explain why Ragna said "he doesn't know whose soul he has within his body" back in CS.

Isn't she just talking about Ragna refusing to go to her side?

The way it went was that Ragna attacked Saya/Izanami but didn't like hurt her. Then Izanami said:

Izanami: What's wrong? I am not striking back. Or do you actually want me Nii-sama?

Saya's Voice: Nii-sama is rejecting me again...

Izanami: You will never be saved by him. Forever.

*Nu backstabs Ragna*

Nu: "Saving me", don't say such a sad thing, Ragna.

Ragna: Nu... You...

*Ragna falls*

Seriously that part of Episode 18 was the scene I hated the most as despite it couldn't have been a good ending, Izanami came in and ruined it all =A=

Edited December 3, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Alpha to Omega]

I think on the XBlaze thread there was a mention about Ragna actually having the soul of Touya, which would explain why Ragna said "he doesn't know whose soul he has within his body" back in CS.

That was actually a false rumor from 2ch.

[NovaFortuna]

I honestly doubt Ragna will be killed off by Jin or anyone else. I actually kind of expect him being saved by the power of love/friendship and another of BB crazy twists. Besides Jin is not allowed to upstage Ragna in a fight (and when he does the game makes sure you know Ragna was weakened, holding back, etc.), no way they'll make him take down crazy ass beast Ragna. And i doubt they have been giving Ragna his much needed development and building relationships especially with Celica just to abruptly end.

One thing I am wondering, has Izanagi been mentioned in the story? I mean it would make sense for him to be in the BB story given Izanami joined.

[Shinhwa]

That was actually a false rumor from 2ch.

Figured as much =w=

I honestly doubt Ragna will be killed off by Jin or anyone else. I actually kind of expect him being saved by the power of love/friendship and another of BB crazy twists. Besides Jin is not allowed to upstage Ragna in a fight (and when he does the game makes sure you know Ragna was weakened, holding back, etc.), no way they'll make him take down crazy ass beast Ragna. And i doubt they have been giving Ragna his much needed development and building relationships especially with Celica just to abruptly end.

One thing I am wondering, has Izanagi been mentioned in the story? I mean it would make sense for him to be in the BB story given Izanami joined.

Ragna mentioned that Jin has the potential to become way more powerful than him in the future and will become his worst enemy.

Also Ragna did get a death flag but his survival flag also increased dramatically due to all the bonds and friendship he obtained through his development in Chronophantasma. There is also the Life Link to consider but I am not really sure if that thing can help him escape death from his current state.

Izanami mentioned in Episode 17 that humans created Izanagi but it is unknown if she was pertaining to a person or some kind of power or structure.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Luminos564]

Ragna mentioned that Jin has the potential to become way more powerful than him in the future and will become his worst enemy.

To be 100% accurate, it was Jubei who told Ragna that Jin has the potential for it and Ragna simply used it to get little Jinjin to man up a bit. Of course, I questioned the reasons Jubei had to actually TRAIN Jin to become stronger until CP where Beast!Ragna simply thrashed him and Noel at once.

Izanami mentioned in Episode 17 that humans created Izanagi but it is unknown if she was pertaining to a person or some kind of power or structure.

Huh, so Izanami is aware of who/what Izanagi is but of course, in typical BB fashion we need to wait for BB4 to get an answer for it.

Though, if she is using the words "create" then chances are Izanagi is very likely a person who was created through artificial means, which would sorta narrow it down to Ragna since he fits that part like a glove. Then again, there was that comment from Clavis way back stating that the "original unit" came from the Alucard family. He could also have been talking about Izanagi in that sense since it was from Izanagi that Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susano-O were born based on the myths.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Beast!Ragna too strong obviously.

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[Zedar90]

Izanami mentioned in Episode 17 that humans created Izanagi but it is unknown if she was pertaining to a person or some kind of power or structure.

Isn't it that Izanagi created all humans? I might be reading it wrong though...

イザナギの創りし、全ての人間達の元へ渡った. I have handed it over to all humans that are created by Izanagi.

Izanami is talking about the world during the time she hands over the title to Homura.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Zedar90

[NovaFortuna]

Figured as much =w=

Ragna mentioned that Jin has the potential to become way more powerful than him in the future and will become his worst enemy.

Also Ragna did get a death flag but his survival flag also increased dramatically due to all the bonds and friendship he obtained through his development in Chronophantasma. There is also the Life Link to consider but I am not really sure if that thing can help him escape death from his current state.

Izanami mentioned in Episode 17 that humans created Izanagi but it is unknown if she was pertaining to a person or some kind of power or structure.

Ragna was quoting Jubeis words more than anything, and he was mostly giving Jin a cheer so could get a grip already. Also it doesn't really seem they actually want to build an epic fight between the two, Ragna always had more important things at hand, never cared about fighting Jin and nowJin focused as well on bigger things. I guess they could try to explain and develop Jin and the power of order to set up something good, but the story is on its last stage and many many things are going on, i doubt they have spare time to explore this rivalry now, especially since the power of order isn't part of the current events aside being Jin and Haku's superpower, none of the big events going on really involve or mention it. Now, I may be missing something, if so please let me know.

And I meant that if there wasn't a chance of hope for Rags then he wouldn't have gotten the good development, partners and friends. I think that aims more to say that despite being screwed over, Ragna has people there for him and an objective that is truly noble to never give up more than ever. I'd be worried about Nu.

[Shinhwa]

Isn't it that Izanagi created all humans? I might be reading it wrong though...

イザナギの創りし、全ての人間達の元へ渡った. I have handed it over to all humans that are created by Izanagi.

Izanami is talking about the world during the time she hands over the title to Homura.

Guess I heard it wrong then.

Ragna was quoting Jubeis words more than anything, and he was mostly giving Jin a cheer so could get a grip already. Also it doesn't really seem they actually want to build an epic fight between the two, Ragna always had more important things at hand, never cared about fighting Jin and nowJin focused as well on bigger things. I guess they could try to explain and develop Jin and the power of order to set up something good, but the story is on its last stage and many many things are going on, i doubt they have spare time to explore this rivalry now, especially since the power of order isn't part of the current events aside being Jin and Haku's superpower, none of the big events going on really involve or mention it. Now, I may be missing something, if so please let me know.

And I meant that if there wasn't a chance of hope for Rags then he wouldn't have gotten the good development, partners and friends. I think that aims more to say that despite being screwed over, Ragna has people there for him and an objective that is truly noble to never give up more than ever. I'd be worried about Nu.

Forgot Jubei was the one who told Ragna about that. Jin's route wasn't really in my mind that much since he isn't really my favorite character lol.

Anyhow yeah, well Mori does weird things when it comes to writing, so I wouldn't be too sure, but Ragna getting good development in this game wasn't done for nothing. It helped him move on, stopping him from relying on his Azure Grimoire, become stronger as himself without Blazblue, and bond together with others, including people who he was enemies with in the past. Also Amane, who is also a bystander like Rachel (except Rachel herself stopped and had joined the stage, so she lost a vast amount of power, including teleportation), mentioned that Ragna possesses a great light, and is a very special actor, which depicts something on his role in the story.

Celica also mentioned that she doesn't want Ragna disappearing from his own world, which pretty shows that she is willing to sacrifice herself for Ragna to prevent him from disappearing/dying if there was such an event where she has the opportunity to save him from his death.

Nu, I am totally worried about her future more than any other characters due to the treatment she has been getting since CT, where it feels like she is a sacrifice fodder for Mori and ArcSys, which is pretty tragic if you consider her past and true feelings within her soul. What's more tragic is how she had done a good deed back in CS for Ragna (Not really a good deed in my book since she had to die =A=), yet all of them has gone in vain due to the fact she has returned to her old self. As Lambda, she protected Ragna and talked about her past and feelings, yet as Nu in her original body she wants to keep on killing with Ragna and the persona she showed as Lambda totally disappeared. This is just a theory but I feel the body may have something to do with it. Lambda's body didn't have any Azure Grimoire nor Seithr injected into her, while Nu's body does. I am not sure if those factors are one of the things that influences Nu to be yandere and evil, but considering the fact she wasn't like her old yandere self when she was Lambda, I feel her body is one of the causes of her psychopathic persona, where I feel if she goes through some kind of purification, her true soul may come out, because I feel that as Lambda, her soul was pure but just that Lambda's old memories influenced her in the beginning that Kokonoe was forced to erase her entire memories. But it showed that while in Lambda's body, Nu truly loved Ragna and wanted to protect him. But in her original body she does love him but in the wrong way and she loves to hurt him due to her yandere nature. Nu's programming done by Hazama may also be a factor to her psychopathic persona.

But from the bottom of my heart I truly wish for her well being. I don't know why, but for some reason it is the Ahoge characters with long hair that always get the bad treatment =A=

Nu = Yandere character who just dies in CT and goes through a tragic life in the past, and goes through the wrong route due to getting controlled by the antagonists

Lambda = Total bad life due to getting used for experiments by mad scientists and dies. Her soul dies and after Nu goes in her body and she revives, she just fights and fights then protects Ragna from death and she herself dies. No development whatsoever except giving Idea Engine to Ragna and telling him about her sad past.

Es = Better treatment compared to Nu and Lambda, mostly since she was the main heroine,

but her end was bad as the romance between her and Touya didn't really come true as she erased memories about her from the world and had disappeared due to the fact she found out about the truth of the world after meeting the Master Unit. Currently speculated to be the Master Unit: Amaterasu in CP. Was a totally sad ending. She loved Touya and he loved her too, but the events of the game just had to separate them =_=

Either Mori has something against Ahoge characters or I seriously have no idea.

It would be pretty sad and tragic if Nu really dies at the end of the series as in truth she wanted to live a normal life, such as taking a walk, playing with a cat, as proven by her arcade mode and story mode. I mean come on, she had gone through tons of pain then she dies at the end? That would be just too cruel =_=.

Characters like her need to be saved and be able to live a life of peace afterwards, not getting killed =.=;

Edited December 3, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

Guess I heard it wrong then.

Forgot Jubei was the one who told Ragna about that. Jin's route wasn't really in my mind that much since he isn't really my favorite character lol.

Anyhow yeah, well Mori does weird things when it comes to writing, so I wouldn't be too sure, but Ragna getting good development in this game wasn't done for nothing. It helped him move on, stopping him from relying on his Azure Grimoire, become stronger as himself without Blazblue, and bond together with others, including people who he was enemies with in the past. Also Amane, who is also a bystander like Rachel (except Rachel herself stopped and had joined the stage, so she lost a vast amount of power, including teleportation), mentioned that Ragna possesses a great light, and is a very special actor, which depicts something on his role in the story.

Celica also mentioned that she doesn't want Ragna disappearing from his own world, which pretty shows that she is willing to sacrifice herself for Ragna to prevent him from disappearing/dying if there was such an event where she has the opportunity to save him from his death.

Nu, I am totally worried about her future more than any other characters due to the treatment she has been getting since CT, where it feels like she is a sacrifice fodder for Mori and ArcSys, which is pretty tragic if you consider her past and true feelings within her soul. What's more tragic is how she had done a good deed back in CS for Ragna (Not really a good deed in my book since she had to die =A=), yet all of them has gone in vain due to the fact she has returned to her old self. As Lambda, she protected Ragna and talked about her past and feelings, yet as Nu in her original body she wants to keep on killing with Ragna and the persona she showed as Lambda totally disappeared. This is just a theory but I feel the body may have something to do with it. Lambda's body didn't have any Azure Grimoire nor Seithr injected into her, while Nu's body does. I am not sure if those factors are one of the things that influences Nu to be yandere and evil, but considering the fact she wasn't like her old yandere self when she was Lambda, I feel her body is one of the causes of her psychopathic persona, where I feel if she goes through some kind of purification, her true soul may come out, because I feel that as Lambda, her soul was pure but just that Lambda's old memories influenced her in the beginning that Kokonoe was forced to erase her entire memories. But it showed that while in Lambda's body, Nu truly loved Ragna and wanted to protect him. But in her original body she does love him but in the wrong way and she loves to hurt him due to her yandere nature. Nu's programming done by Hazama may also be a factor to her psychopathic persona.

But from the bottom of my heart I truly wish for her well being. I don't know why, but for some reason it is the Ahoge characters with long hair that always get the bad treatment =A=

Nu = Yandere character who just dies in CT and goes through a tragic life in the past, and goes through the wrong route due to getting controlled by the antagonists

Lambda = Total bad life due to getting used for experiments by mad scientists and dies. Her soul dies and after Nu goes in her body and she revives, she just fights and fights then protects Ragna from death and she herself dies. No development whatsoever except giving Idea Engine to Ragna and telling him about her sad past.

Es = Better treatment compared to Nu and Lambda, mostly since she was the main heroine,

but her end was bad as the romance between her and Touya didn't really come true as she erased memories about her from the world and had disappeared due to the fact she found out about the truth of the world after meeting the Master Unit. Currently speculated to be the Master Unit: Amaterasu in CP. Was a totally sad ending. She loved Touya and he loved her too, but the events of the game just had to separate them =_=

Either Mori has something against Ahoge characters or I seriously have no idea.

It would be pretty sad and tragic if Nu really dies at the end of the series as in truth she wanted to live a normal life, such as taking a walk, playing with a cat, as proven by her arcade mode and story mode. I mean come on, she had gone through tons of pain then she dies at the end? That would be just too cruel =_=.

Characters like her need to be saved and be able to live a life of peace afterwards, not getting killed =.=;

Well Touya still does remember her a bit and still would remember her waiting to meet her until the end of Time.

[kylehyde]

Ragna was quoting Jubeis words more than anything, and he was mostly giving Jin a cheer so could get a grip already. Also it doesn't really seem they actually want to build an epic fight between the two, Ragna always had more important things at hand, never cared about fighting Jin and nowJin focused as well on bigger things. I guess they could try to explain and develop Jin and the power of order to set up something good, but the story is on its last stage and many many things are going on, i doubt they have spare time to explore this rivalry now, especially since the power of order isn't part of the current events aside being Jin and Haku's superpower, none of the big events going on really involve or mention it. Now, I may be missing something, if so please let me know.

And I meant that if there wasn't a chance of hope for Rags then he wouldn't have gotten the good development, partners and friends. I think that aims more to say that despite being screwed over, Ragna has people there for him and an objective that is truly noble to never give up more than ever. I'd be worried about Nu.

Didn't CP end with Rachel mentioning that Jin or Tsubaki need to kill Ragna? I'd say that sets up that rivalry your talking about lol.

Now it's not just some petty thing Jin had for Ragna, he NEEDS to do it now .

[BlackYakuzu94]

Well, it does make that speech from back in CS about killing Ragna to end his misery all the more harsher in hindsight.

[Shinhwa]

It's funny how Jin had gone after Ragna in a bad ending in CT when Ragna fell into the Cauldron with Nu, as he didn't want to lose him anymore, yet we still see him wanting to kill Ragna. Although I think Jin does somewhat want to be friendly with Ragna, but the Power of Order and Yukianesa is still making him go Yandere Brocon, and it really seems his way of saying that he will Ragna is kind of a facade really.

Mori, just do us a favor and lead all the characters excluding the assholes like Hazama/Terumi to happiness. Ok?

[Master Of Chaos]

Jin wants Nii-san to be near him so he can kill him, he doesn't want to be friendly towards him. He says as much after they rescue Tsubaki and he and Ragna are about to fight.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Jin's motivation to kill Ragna is mainly because of the latter being the one who will bring destruction to the world and he is the antibody who must keep balance whenever a force enough to change the world appears. Its basically the classic Order vs. Chaos setup, but its partially motivated by genuine love for his brother(familial love) and a desire to end his suffering, hence why he gets so crazy whenever it looks like someone else will kill him.

Their's is a complicated rivalry, that it is.

[Shinhwa]

I am truly worried about Ragna's future as much as Nu's future as it was stated that his future of his end has been set and decided after he had gone back to the past, and he doesn't have much life span left. Really, would Life Link work in this kind of scenario or does Life Link not work for life span/soul related deaths or something...?

Also, you know how in XBLAZE, Es stands for Embryo Storage? I wonder if that's the same case for Ragna also since he possesses the Es marking in his body.