Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Luminos564]

How about no? =A= I want Nu to live on as an individual not fuse with someone to become another person...

Funny. Because that's EXACTLY what she's been doing in every single loop prior to this one and even now wants to become fused with Ragna to form the next Black Beast.

Though, that also gave me the idea. If Hazama/Terumi are both kaput for now, perhaps Noel no longer has a Life Link with Hazama. So what might happen if she tries to forge one with Ragna? Matter of fact, what could happen if both Ragna and her fuse? We already saw that Ragna+Nu13=Black Beast and Hazama merging with Mu-12 would have yielded the same result. But Noel/Mu-12 is the current true Azure successor. So what might happen if Ragna (who has a fake Azure) merges with the genuine version? My guess: it is a much more stable, powerful and different Black Beast.

[kylehyde]

I think it was that he somehow lost it then Alucards found it.

Anyhow, about Jin getting Susano'o unit from Hakumen... It's possible. The reason is that Hakumen himself said that his consciousness is getting sucked into the Boundary slowly again and doesn't seem he has much time to exist in the current world much. Which means Susano'o unit may get inherited to Jin or just sucked into the Boundary altogether.

Wait, so Hakumen himself admitted that he's basically disappearing from the world? I like Hakumen but that's what I want to happen, he needs to fade away and let Jin take over. Although I just don't see Jin wearing the Susano O unit, don't you need to be a soul in order to wear it? That would basically mean Jin has to give up his mortal body in order for that to happen.

[Toxin45]

Tsubaki is gonna be a Triagonist or Teratagonist due to Noel and Jin getting higher and Ragna being an eldrich abomination.

[Shinhwa]

Wait, so Hakumen himself admitted that he's basically disappearing from the world? I like Hakumen but that's what I want to happen, he needs to fade away and let Jin take over. Although I just don't see Jin wearing the Susano O unit, don't you need to be a soul in order to wear it? That would basically mean Jin has to give up his mortal body in order for that to happen.

Yeah. He admitted that his consciousness and power are slowly being sucked into the Boundary even with Rachel being his observer. He is reaching his limit in existing in the current timeline. Jin is one of the things at fault as normally you can't really have two of the same individual existing in the same timeline, which is why Hakumen was surprised that Jin was even able to approach him or even meet him closely.

Susano'o Unit, I am not too sure as didn't Terumi use it while still having a body?

[kylehyde]

Yeah. He admitted that his consciousness and power are slowly being sucked into the Boundary even with Rachel being his observer. He is reaching his limit in existing in the current timeline. Jin is one of the things at fault as normally you can't really have two of the same individual existing in the same timeline, which is why Hakumen was surprised that Jin was even able to approach him or even meet him closely.

Susano'o Unit, I am not too sure as didn't Terumi use it while still having a body?

Hmm maybe, I always thought he was wearing it while in ghost form.

[Shinhwa]

Funny. Because that's EXACTLY what she's been doing in every single loop prior to this one and even now wants to become fused with Ragna to form the next Black Beast.

Though, that also gave me the idea. If Hazama/Terumi are both kaput for now, perhaps Noel no longer has a Life Link with Hazama. So what might happen if she tries to forge one with Ragna? Matter of fact, what could happen if both Ragna and her fuse? We already saw that Ragna+Nu13=Black Beast and Hazama merging with Mu-12 would have yielded the same result. But Noel/Mu-12 is the current true Azure successor. So what might happen if Ragna (who has a fake Azure) merges with the genuine version? My guess: it is a much more stable, powerful and different Black Beast.

Well you gotta know that there are things that just influence Nu to be yandere and kind of insane, but her soul itself isn't...

Black Beast in the end if the avatar of destruction and the failing result. Fake + Fake = fail, but fake + real may wield a different result but we still don't know exactly.

I wonder if that Genderbender Murakumo Unit Ragna can be legit except he isn't genderbended and he himself gets an evolution in his power and turns into like a male Murakumo Unit that has stable Black Beast Power. (He would look like Ichika from IS pretty much)

I mean that special illustration of him being a Murakumo Unit was epic afterall (In fact, one of the bad endings in CT do lead him and Nu being one and being like a Murakumo Unit then turning into Black Beast then kills Noel lol)

[BlackYakuzu94]

Hakumen ceasing to exist saddens me to no end, because not having that much badassery in the series just won't feel the same. But I kinda saw this coming, law of time paradoxes claims that alternate beings cannot exist within the same timeline before one of the goes, and since Jin is originally from the present timeline and Hakumen is not, its only natural the latter goes.

So yea, going back to what I said, I kind of expect Hakumen to have one final fight with Jin to see if he's worthy of holding the power of the Susanooh unit......Ya know, Shirou vs. Archer style.

[Master Of Chaos]

Yeah, I knew something like this was coming...Hakuwin utterly annihilating Terumi once and for all has made the verse realize that a man capable of reaching such levels of badassery cannot continue to exist, or his awesomeness will make the planet implode. At least he made his unforgettable mark on the plot. Godspeed, Haku. We will never forget what you did.

And yeah, I guess a final battle between Jin and Hakumen would be fitting, but I don't want to see him get the Susanooh. I think it's best that he be left with his own power, as the Jin in this timeline has developed into a different character then Haku. I also would like to see a farewell fight between him and Izayoi, just to make use of In JUSTICE in the actual story.

[Shinhwa]

I doubt Hakumen will disappear until maybe like nearly end of the story. He still has life left, and can still go on, but he is starting to get weaker. But I can tell that he will pass away in the end.

Amane still catches my interest as I am interested in what his plans are. He did say he wants a stage where "people that are able to change the world" gather and dance there. "People that are able to change the world" mostly pertains to Ragna as seen by Episode 7, but it seems it mostly pertains to the "chosen ones/Those who have the rights".

There is something that I have become concerned about... In Nu's arcade ending, Hazama did say Nu can like absorb Mu-12/Noel into her and fuse, which means... the opposite is possible... and if Mori decides to play "special treatment"... Nu fusing into Noel might seriously be possible... =____=;; (This better not happen...) Considering Mori does love Noel, he might seriously do it though... *RAGE* Only thing I can see such thing happening is if Nu becomes free and goes against Izanami after, then Izanami like kills Nu and because Nu cannot survive even with Life Link, she may have to fuse into Noel to live on... Another possibility is that Nu just stays yandere and insane till the end and after she is defeated, she is fused into Noel with a good intent...

My god Mori... he better not do anything like this or anything similar of any such kind.... =A=;;;

I am truly worried Q________Q

Actually there is something I thought of.

If Ragna is going to die due to his body, can't his soul like transfer into another body like how Kokonoe put Nu's body into Lambda? (Also like how she put Celica's copied soul into a made body) If Life Link won't save him, then I think it is possible that he may have to abandon his current body which has been consumed by the Azure Grimoire. Unless he really wants to die like that that is... But knowing Kokonoe and how others wouldn't want him to die, I would say saving him by transferring his soul to a new body can be possible.

Well same goes for Nu, where she might become good if her soul is transferred into another body (like how it happened with Lambda). Who knows.

Both of them have their bad sides with their body right now, such as Ragna being consumed by his Azure Grimoire a lot which is taking his life, and how Nu's body is pretty much heavily programmed and contains tons of Seithr inside her, along with her own Azure Grimoire, which has high possibility of being the influence that turns her into a yandere and have her go insane (Lambda did not have any of these which might explain why Nu wasn't yandere even after getting her memories back). Nu in her original body probably wouldn't have saved Ragna in CS and instead could have gone happy that he was getting killed instead while being in yandere trance =_=;;

Considering those soul transfer/copy concept that exist, I would say Ragna getting saved from death (if Life Link is negated and is unable to save him) is more highly likely than dying.

[Zedar90]

I doubt Hakumen will disappear until maybe like nearly end of the story. He still has life left, and can still go on, but he is starting to get weaker. But I can tell that he will pass away in the end.

Amane still catches my interest as I am interested in what his plans are. He did say he wants a stage where "people that are able to change the world" gather and dance there. "People that are able to change the world" mostly pertains to Ragna as seen by Episode 7, but it seems it mostly pertains to the "chosen ones/Those who have the rights".

There is something that I have become concerned about... In Nu's arcade ending, Hazama did say Nu can like absorb Mu-12/Noel into her and fuse, which means... the opposite is possible... and if Mori decides to play "special treatment"... Nu fusing into Noel might seriously be possible... =____=;; (This better not happen...) Considering Mori does love Noel, he might seriously do it though... *RAGE* Only thing I can see such thing happening is if Nu becomes free and goes against Izanami after, then Izanami like kills Nu and because Nu cannot survive even with Life Link, she may have to fuse into Noel to live on... Another possibility is that Nu just stays yandere and insane till the end and after she is defeated, she is fused into Noel with a good intent...

My god Mori... he better not do anything like this or anything similar of any such kind.... =A=;;;

I am truly worried Q________Q

Actually there is something I thought of.

If Ragna is going to die due to his body, can't his soul like transfer into another body like how Kokonoe put Nu's body into Lambda? (Also like how she put Celica's copied soul into a made body) If Life Link won't save him, then I think it is possible that he may have to abandon his current body which has been consumed by the Azure Grimoire. Unless he really wants to die like that that is... But knowing Kokonoe and how others wouldn't want him to die, I would say saving him by transferring his soul to a new body can be possible.

Well same goes for Nu, where she might become good if her soul is transferred into another body (like how it happened with Lambda). Who knows.

Both of them have their bad sides with their body right now, such as Ragna being consumed by his Azure Grimoire a lot which is taking his life, and how Nu's body is pretty much heavily programmed and contains tons of Seithr inside her, along with her own Azure Grimoire, which has high possibility of being the influence that turns her into a yandere and have her go insane (Lambda did not have any of these which might explain why Nu wasn't yandere even after getting her memories back). Nu in her original body probably wouldn't have saved Ragna in CS and instead could have gone happy that he was getting killed instead while being in yandere trance =_=;;

Considering those soul transfer/copy concept that exist, I would say Ragna getting saved from death (if Life Link is negated and is unable to save him) is more highly likely than dying.

Don't think Ragna will ditch his current body, the entire them of Blazblue seems to be to fight against the despair and make the best of what you have. I would guess at the end of Blazblue 4 Ragna will maybe say something like: this isn't Blazblue (bureiburu) but it's Braveblue (bureiburu), a sign of hope and bravery.

[Shinhwa]

It would be tragic that he doesn't get a peaceful life after all the fighting D:...

And yeah I doubt he will ditch his current body but... if it is on the brink of destruction (Fate/Stay Night reference!!!), who knows, to save him from dying, he might be forced to move to another body but not on his own will but because of others who want to save him from death XD;;

Tons of characters now are his allies and are compassionate to him, so I think they will try to save him somehow unless he goes running alone in a battle sacrificing himself (like how he did in Phase Shit) then pretty much dies there.

[SolxBaiken]

It would be tragic that he doesn't end up in jail on charges of war crimes after all the fighting D:...

Is what you should've said.

Ragna's a murder; go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200!

if BB had real world consequences, like 1/2 the cast should be facing some form of sentence lol

[Calamitus]

So if Zedar's theory is true (Saya is No. 01 Murakumo), who can be No. 00? That trailer with Murakumos and Izayoi show 00 number in purple, we have self-proclaimed godess of death which associated with purple and "Murakumo-like attacks" (consdering final fight). Also weird behaviour towards Ragna (who is related to Murakumos).

Maybe Izanami is just overpowered Original Prime Field Device after all?

[mAc Chaos]

its more like, who can put them in jail, even if they wanted

[SolxBaiken]

its more like, who can put them in jail, even if they wanted

A decent society!

The People vs Ragna the Bloodedge.

BB needs a Phoenix Wright-esque spinoff where you don't let any of these guilty fukkers get away with being terrible human beings. Ragna: murder/genocide. Jin: appropriate war crime charges and AWOL. Noel: AWOL. Makoto: AWOL and espionage. Tao: unlicensed vigilantism. Litchi: conspiring in crimes against humanity. Relius: crimes against humanity.

[Calamitus]

I'm not sure who is going to capture them when Hazama uses NOL soldiers as fuel for his cauldrons.

[SolxBaiken]

Well if Hazama wasn't assumed dead [for now] he'd be on the list too! [give him that Aizen sentence] but clearly the only consistently law abiding citizen...

DISTRICT ATTORNEY Tsubaki Yayoi! She wants redemption? This is a good start ' ^'

[Zedar90]

So if Zedar's theory is true (Saya is No. 01 Murakumo), who can be No. 00? That trailer with Murakumos and Izayoi show 00 number in purple, we have self-proclaimed godess of death which associated with purple and "Murakumo-like attacks" (consdering final fight). Also weird behaviour towards Ragna (who is related to Murakumos).

Maybe Izanami is just overpowered Original Prime Field Device after all?

I don't think that the No.00 and 第零型素体 (Zeroth Type Prime Field) are the same thing. The No.00 is IZAYOI, it even have those numbers written on it.

Still, I wonder what the connection between Zero Weaving IZAYOI (零織イザヨイ) and Sealed Treasure Spear IZAYOI (封印宝槍イザヨイ) is...

Zero Weaving: Murakumo prototype, the most recent weapon from Age of Origin, was found by Nine in Magic Guild's storage. Price of usage is blindness. Is a Ars Armagus (術式兵装)

Sealed Treasure Spear: One of the Legacy Weapons. Must be given permission in order to use. Creates an barrier which those who is pierced by the blade of Izayoi will forever be sealed inside. Price of usage is Blindness. Is a Ars Magus Weapon (術式兵器)

[Toxin45]

So if Zedar's theory is true (Saya is No. 01 Murakumo), who can be No. 00? That trailer with Murakumos and Izayoi show 00 number in purple, we have self-proclaimed godess of death which associated with purple and "Murakumo-like attacks" (consdering final fight). Also weird behaviour towards Ragna (who is related to Murakumos).

Maybe Izanami is just overpowered Original Prime Field Device after all?

I doubt izanami is that she is an actual goddess besides hakumens time killer did not affect her

[BlackYakuzu94]

Ragna technically was thrown in jail if you think about it :P

[Luminos564]

I'm not sure who is going to capture them when Hazama uses NOL soldiers as fuel for his cauldrons.

I would have said Kagura but then again, he's got his own list of charges:

-Sexual harassment, bordering on offender.

-Performed a coup in order to overthrow the previous Imperator.

-Vehicular manslaughter (as Unlimited).

Really from the way their society works, it seems like everyone abides by "Might makes right". Of course, even if Homura wanted to make a different society, most of his NOL soldiers have been turned into seithr by Izanami. So we're gonna have to see where this goes.

[kylehyde]

Actually there is something I thought of.

If Ragna is going to die due to his body, can't his soul like transfer into another body like how Kokonoe put Nu's body into Lambda? (Also like how she put Celica's copied soul into a made body) If Life Link won't save him, then I think it is possible that he may have to abandon his current body which has been consumed by the Azure Grimoire. Unless he really wants to die like that that is... But knowing Kokonoe and how others wouldn't want him to die, I would say saving him by transferring his soul to a new body can be possible.

Well same goes for Nu, where she might become good if her soul is transferred into another body (like how it happened with Lambda). Who knows.

Both of them have their bad sides with their body right now, such as Ragna being consumed by his Azure Grimoire a lot which is taking his life, and how Nu's body is pretty much heavily programmed and contains tons of Seithr inside her, along with her own Azure Grimoire, which has high possibility of being the influence that turns her into a yandere and have her go insane (Lambda did not have any of these which might explain why Nu wasn't yandere even after getting her memories back). Nu in her original body probably wouldn't have saved Ragna in CS and instead could have gone happy that he was getting killed instead while being in yandere trance =_=;;

Considering those soul transfer/copy concept that exist, I would say Ragna getting saved from death (if Life Link is negated and is unable to save him) is more highly likely than dying.

I actually thought that this would happen as well. For Rachel to be the one to suggest that Ragna has to die lead me to believe that she has a plan to save his soul. I think it was a localization translation error, but in CS where Ragna says "God only know's who's soul this actually is" made me believe that his body is just artificial and his soul can be transferred from body to body. Which would make sense if he is a Murakumo unit like Nu, Noel, and Lambda. He has to die, I know that much. But I think that the saving part will be saving his soul.

Also, let's all just agree that no one in Blazblue is innocent and they all deserve imprisonment of some form lol.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Blazblue runs on some heavy Black & Grey morality, its not exactly unsurprising that the good guys aren't that pure.

[Shinhwa]

Except maybe Taokaka :D

O wait.... =w=

*remembers several parts of her story where she had run off with Ragna without paying the bill 8D*

Ragna has gone through crap, Jin has gone through crap thanks to the world's system giving him Power of Order and along with Yukianesa pretty much brainwashing him, Noel... she just a victim but at least she is living a satisfactory life that barely had much shit except maybe getting bullied by Jin and her turning to Mu-12 during CS, Nu and Lambda are pretty much the only characters that had gone through tons of shit throughout their 5 years of life (and Lambda died miserably pretty much without even being able to learn about happiness in life) and pretty much victims to the evil deeds of the Imperator, Hazama and Relius.

And well yeah... majority of characters have gone through crap.

Not sure about Platinum as she just a kid...

[Toxin45]

at least Hazama and relius get wrecked.