Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Toxin45]

Have to wait till Arc System Works releases a sequel to XBLAZE Pretty much. If they are making a sequel, I hope they cover the 50 years between XBLAZE and Phase Shift.

Will it still feature the characters from Xblaze 1 and new characters?

Also thanks for reminding me ,when are people gonna update the bios from Xblaze and Cp?

Also when and How did Terumi and Hazama separated in CP story mode?

Edited December 31, 2013 by Toxin45

[Zedar90]

Will it still feature the characters from Xblaze 1 and new characters?

Also thanks for reminding me when are people gonna update the bios from Xblaze and Cp?

Also when and How did Terumi and Hazama separated in CP story mode?

Xblaze sequel isn't confirmed (I believe that they will though since it felt like they split it at an earlier point then planned)

The Terumi and Hazama split isn't shown, but it's very likely to be when Trinity got interrupted during the end of Six-heroes when she tried to redo the swap between Hazama and Terumi. All that is known is that Terumi says that the situation is Trinity's and Rachel's fault.

[Toxin45]

Xblaze sequel isn't confirmed (I believe that they will though since it felt like they split it at an earlier point then planned)

The Terumi and Hazama split isn't shown, but it's very likely to be when Trinity got interrupted during the end of Six-heroes when she tried to redo the swap between Hazama and Terumi. All that is known is that Terumi says that the situation is Trinity's and Rachel's fault.

Thanks about the hazama and Terumi thing but about the "squeal" Xblaze 2 could be a prequal to the phase shift novels.

[Zedar90]

Thanks about the hazama and Terumi thing but about the "squeal" Xblaze 2 could be a prequal to the phase shift novels.

If they make a sequel it would likely take place after Xblaze (only Touya can use Xblaze) and set in Ishana. Since the TGS trailer had the word Susanoo it would also be a part of it. I would believe it is the story of the creation of the Takamagahara-System, the reform of Magic Guild and maybe Terumi's failed attempt to kill Amaterasu.

[Toxin45]

If they make a sequel it would likely take place after Xblaze (only Touya can use Xblaze) and set in Ishana. Since the TGS trailer had the word Susanoo it would also be a part of it. I would believe it is the story of the creation of the Takamagahara-System, the reform of Magic Guild and maybe Terumi's failed attempt to kill Amaterasu.

Not surprising since the T-System could be the Takamagahara-system from BlazBlue.But also I want to see Izanami as the Main villain of the sequal as well as her connection of the story of both games and at least appear as the final boss sealing her away to the boundary.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

Fact is that Izanami didn't seem to have any physical form until Saya became her vessel, but it is possible she had another vessel during the timeline between XBLAZE and Phase Shift.

If Sechs truly did talk to Izanami, it means that she did exist somewhere during the events of XBLAZE, although it is possible she stayed as a spirit form or had another vessel.

[Toxin45]

Fact is that Izanami didn't seem to have any physical form until Saya became her vessel, but it is possible she had another vessel during the timeline between XBLAZE and Phase Shift.

If Sechs truly did talk to Izanami, it means that she did exist somewhere during the events of XBLAZE, although it is possible she stayed as a spirit form or had another vessel.

Perhaps as well as the hints that Izanami being the Priestess of the Azure (Due to Mei's kanji being the same as Meiou Izanami) and the fact that she is technically dead which means she is a corpse like in the myth with the red eyes implying that she is already undead and wants a vessel to make her like her old self again but can transform into her true form if pushed.

[Wild Candy]

I'm kinda curious to see if they'll include someone as Izanagi to parallel Izanami.

Like maybe it'll end with Ragna turning out to be Izanagi, and he manages to give life back to Saya whose possessed by the Goddess of death. Or something like that... I dunno... I'm usually pretty bad at this kinda stuff.

Also, I'm kinda curious to see what Amaterasu really is. Based on Rachel's discription, I think it's possible that Amaterasu is a sentient being similar to a human. I mean, didn't Rachel compare Amaterasu to a little girl creating a story book, but she kept on starting it over because a hero never came to save her. (Which basically fits the description of the time loops occurring in the games.)

I dunno, what do you guys think?

[Toxin45]

Hey Zedar I got ask you a question? Mei's kanji being Meiou Izanami do you think that their the same person I mean Mei's hat as a death head on it.Or could be foreshadowing that Mei's skull hat is that she is a descendant of Izanami?

[Zedar90]

Amaterasu is "living". Rachel is always referring to Amaterasu as she, and when Amaterasu was summoned Terumi said: "We finally met, It has been a long time since last time. This time for sure I will make you stop breathing."

Hey Zedar I got ask you a question? Mei's kanji being Meiou Izanami do you think that their the same person I mean Mei's hat as a death head on it.Or could be foreshadowing that Mei's skull hat is that she is a descendant of Izanami?

No, I don't think they are the same. Mei is too "pure" for being Izanami and it would be too OOC for her IMO.

[Wild Candy]

Kinda makes me feel sorry for Amaterasu... She's treated like a god and nuisance, but when you look at it from Rachel's point of view, she's just a lonely girl trying to call out to someone, anyone. It's like she just wants someone she can call a friend, but Izanami and Terumi are bent on killing her despite what she's going through.

[Toxin45]

Amaterasu is "living". Rachel is always referring to Amaterasu as she, and when Amaterasu was summoned Terumi said: "We finally met, It has been a long time since last time. This time for sure I will make you stop breathing."

No, I don't think they are the same. Mei is too "pure" for being Izanami and it would be too OOC for her IMO.

your right so I should Stick to Izanami being the Priestess of the Azure.

[Shinhwa]

Kinda makes me feel sorry for Amaterasu... She's treated like a god and nuisance, but when you look at it from Rachel's point of view, she's just a lonely girl trying to call out to someone, anyone. It's like she just wants someone she can call a friend, but Izanami and Terumi are bent on killing her despite what she's going through.

The weird thing is how Amaterasu's situation is nearly identical to how Nu was when she was all alone in the Boundary calling out for Ragna, although this is based on the story that Rachel told Noel, Celica and Ragna in Episode 10.

The description was that:

Amaterasu = A girl who is the Writer of the Story of a book who wants her story to go how she wants, but the beginning and the end is already made and is permanent that it cannot be avoided. Has created several time loops to rewrite the story.

Beginning: There was a girl imprisoned by a monster.

End: A Hero appeared and defeated the monster. The End.

The story between the Beginning and the End was made in many different ways but the end was always the same, hence why Amaterasu made so many time loops in trying to somehow dodge the permanent ending that was already set up.

The thing is how Rachel had said "Shoujo (The Girl)" without differentiating them except for the text dialogues having brackets around them, where the "Girl" that was the writer did not have brackets and the Girl in the story did have brackets, so in one way you could think the Girl in the Story who is also the monster and the Writer Girl is the same individual, but considering the brackets did differentiate them, they are different individuals.

The only question is in the Blazblue universe, who is the Girl that is also a monster?

Who is also the "Hero" that comes to slay that girl (monster)?

I stated this before, but the strange thing is how "The Girl who is actually a monster" is similar to how Nu is inside the Black Beast when she becomes its heart, although she isn't really a "monster", until she becomes a Black Beast by fusing with Ragna. But the contradiction is that Ragna is not a "Hero (Eiyuu)" or doesn't become one even if he kills Nu (well he kind of does get called a Hero by Jubei and other Six Heroes in a way, but Celica calls him a Yuusha).

But the thing about the story was that "The Hero does not try to save the Girl (Monster). He only defeats it", which is identical to how Ragna went on a killing spree on the Prime Fields, where instead of trying to save them from pain and despair, he killed them instead.

But another way you can see the "Girl who is actually a monster" in the Blazblue universe can also be Saya in Izanami, as Izanami herself is a monster pretty much, also the fact Saya is pretty much a hostage or a captured being whose body is being used by Izanami, and that Izanami said herself in Episode 18 at the end "You cannot save me. Forever", which brings up the question why she suddenly states being "saved".

One way this can be seen is that Izanami is the embodiment of the "Girl" who was not saved at the end of the Story that Amaterasu wrote several times, where she could be the fusion of the deaths of the "Girl" in previous time loops.

But the thing that doesn't make sense about this theory is that Izanami is speculated to have existed before Amaterasu even came to being (as in before Master Unit started being called Amaterasu, which is during the events of XBLAZE), as also seen by Sechs talking to someone in a crystal, which is speculated to be Izanami.

However this theory can be true if:

1. Es is not Master Unit Amaterasu nor does she become it

2. The Story that Amaterasu writes extends to the events of XBLAZE and even more back in the past before it (The time when Priestess of the Azure existed).

[Zedar90]

The weird thing is how Amaterasu's situation is nearly identical to how Nu was when she was all alone in the Boundary calling out for Ragna, although this is based on the story that Rachel told Noel, Celica and Ragna in Episode 10.

The description was that:

Amaterasu = A girl who is the Writer of the Story of a book who wants her story to go how she wants, but the beginning and the end is already made and is permanent that it cannot be avoided. Has created several time loops to rewrite the story.

Beginning: There was a girl imprisoned by a monster.

End: A Hero appeared and defeated the monster. The End.

The story between the Beginning and the End was made in many different ways but the end was always the same, hence why Amaterasu made so many time loops in trying to somehow dodge the permanent ending that was already set up.

The thing is how Rachel had said "Shoujo (The Girl)" without differentiating them except for the text dialogues having brackets around them, where the "Girl" that was the writer did not have brackets and the Girl in the story did have brackets, so in one way you could think the Girl in the Story who is also the monster and the Writer Girl is the same individual, but considering the brackets did differentiate them, they are different individuals.

The only question is in the Blazblue universe, who is the Girl that is also a monster?

Who is also the "Hero" that comes to slay that girl (monster)?

I stated this before, but the strange thing is how "The Girl who is actually a monster" is similar to how Nu is inside the Black Beast when she becomes its heart, although she isn't really a "monster", until she becomes a Black Beast by fusing with Ragna. But the contradiction is that Ragna is not a "Hero (Eiyuu)" or doesn't become one even if he kills Nu (well he kind of does get called a Hero by Jubei and other Six Heroes in a way, but Celica calls him a Yuusha).

But the thing about the story was that "The Hero does not try to save the Girl (Monster). He only defeats it", which is identical to how Ragna went on a killing spree on the Prime Fields, where instead of trying to save them from pain and despair, he killed them instead.

But another way you can see the "Girl who is actually a monster" in the Blazblue universe can also be Saya in Izanami, as Izanami herself is a monster pretty much, also the fact Saya is pretty much a hostage or a captured being whose body is being used by Izanami, and that Izanami said herself in Episode 18 at the end "You cannot save me. Forever", which brings up the question why she suddenly states being "saved".

One way this can be seen is that Izanami is the embodiment of the "Girl" who was not saved at the end of the Story that Amaterasu wrote several times, where she could be the fusion of the deaths of the "Girl" in previous time loops.

But the thing that doesn't make sense about this theory is that Izanami is speculated to have existed before Amaterasu even came to being (as in before Master Unit started being called Amaterasu, which is during the events of XBLAZE), as also seen by Sechs talking to someone in a crystal, which is speculated to be Izanami.

However this theory can be true if:

1. Es is not Master Unit Amaterasu nor does she become it

2. The Story that Amaterasu writes extends to the events of XBLAZE and even more back in the past before it (The time when Priestess of the Azure existed).

If I would guess:

Girl isn't the "Girl"

Book: Amaterasu Unit or the Embryo, it was given to the Girl inside the jail(boundary?) after all, she didn't have it from the beginning.

Monster: It could be Izanami, since the "girl" was captured from within, so the "girl" couldn't have been the monster from the beginning, she became it after she got possessed. But that doesn't really fit the whole consumes the entire world, that is more towards the Black Beast...

The loop that the Girl did must only be the 100 years since Rachel said: "over 100 pages", which was quite specific.

[Wild Candy]

I always thought the monster referred to someone like The Black Beast, or something similar. But this also brings out the question of who is the Hero?

Is it possible that Noel decides who the hero is? Since she's the eyes of the azure, and after she stopped time from looping, everything she witnessed became a true reality with everything else becoming a mere possibility.

Basically what I'm asking/thinking is. Does Noel Pick a "Hero" for Amaterasu?

[Shinhwa]

If I would guess:

Girl isn't the "Girl"

Book: Amaterasu Unit or the Embryo, it was given to the Girl inside the jail(boundary?) after all, she didn't have it from the beginning.

Monster: It could be Izanami, since the "girl" was captured from within, so the "girl" couldn't have been the monster from the beginning, she became it after she got possessed. But that doesn't really fit the whole consumes the entire world, that is more towards the Black Beast...

The loop that the Girl did must only be the 100 years since Rachel said: "over 100 pages", which was quite specific.

Yeah, as I said, considering the dialogue texts in Episode 10 differentiated the Girl by using brackets for the Girl (Monster), yeah they are different people.

If I think about it, yeah the "Book" could pertain to the power to create time loops and dimensional interferences and influences and such.

The Monster that consumes the entire world... yeah I forgot about that part... But if that's the case, then the [Girl] pertains more to Nu in a way as the only girl in the entire Blazblue universe who actually becomes a Monster who consumes the entire world is Nu.

Rachel said "about 100 pages" in a way, not over 100 pages XP;; But I guess it's the same thing lol

But there is something I am confused about. Rachel said that the story also pertains to Chronophantasma (including herself), but just what part of the story she told Ragna and the others actually pertained to Chronophantasma?

Another thing is how Amaterasu had relied on her memories to create the story, which brings up the question if the world was actually normal and there weren't any Actors, but after she became imprisoned and was given the "Book", the people/actors she had written down were all actually previously real people that had lived in the world that she had lived alongside with or something.

I always thought the monster referred to someone like The Black Beast, or something similar. But this also brings out the question of who is the Hero?

Is it possible that Noel decides who the hero is? Since she's the eyes of the azure, and after she stopped time from looping, everything she witnessed became a true reality with everything else becoming a mere possibility.

Basically what I'm asking/thinking is. Does Noel Pick a "Hero" for Amaterasu?

But the thing is how the Hero never saves the [Girl]. He only defeats the [Girl] and earns the title of HERO and that's it.

This is similar to how Six Heroes went defeating the Black Beast and earning the name Six Heroes, while Ragna himself had earned the nickname "Yuusha" from Celica.

I doubt this means Jin would become the [Hero] because when he was trying to free Tsubaki from Izanami's Mind Eater, he told her that he won't "save" her, which kind of makes you think back to the story where [Hero] (Eiyuu) never "saves", and only "defeats". Same goes for when Jin and Hakumen, who are "Heroes", talk about Ragna, or Black Beast (The Dark One), where they all only say "The Dark One must be defeated".

Even the story says that "It's obvious that the Monster needs to be defeated".

Noel choosing the "Hero"... I don't think that's really the case. But it is a possibility.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Shinhwa

[Toxin45]

Also Terumi is a lot stronger than his "Hazama" form or at least implied has anyone notice when they are separate?

[Shinhwa]

Also Terumi is a lot stronger than his "Hazama" form or at least implied has anyone notice when they are separate?

Not necessarily really.

[Toxin45]

Uh why?

[Shinhwa]

Uh why?

Just a guess.

[Calamitus]

So Mori said that Yuuki Terumi is not real name and it has meaning behind it. I know "yuuki" means ghost. What about "terumi"?

[Toxin45]

So Mori said that Yuuki Terumi is not real name and it has meaning behind it. I know "yuuki" means ghost. What about "terumi"?

Terumi means shrine and Yuuki also means Beautiful as referring to his narcissistic personality. Also Soichiro Unormaru had a god complex and many people thought Terumi has that so they might be the same person.

Also yu gentleness superiority also Hope .Ki means radiance or life.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Toxin45

[Calamitus]

Terumi means shrine and Yuuki also means Beautiful as referring to his narcissistic personality. Also Soichiro Unormaru had a god complex and many people thought Terumi has that so they might be the same person.

Also yu gentleness superiority also Hope .Ki means radiance or life.

Hm, you know most of your weird posts come because you think that this blazblue wikia is reliable source.

As for Terumi and Soichiro, they have both different voice actors and i cant imagine Terumi who "admires cute things" (if I will trust info about Soichiro from this horrible wikia again)

[Toxin45]

Hm, you know most of your weird posts come because you think that this blazblue wikia is reliable source.

As for Terumi and Soichiro, they have both different voice actors and i cant imagine Terumi who "admires cute things" (if I will trust info about Soichiro from this horrible wikia again)

probably a case of cast as a mask. Also he calls Es a "Doll" and is very laughing mad.

Edited January 1, 2014 by Toxin45

[Shinhwa]

There is something I am confused about.

It is known that in CT, Takahamagara was responsible for creating time loops between AD 2100 and AD 2199 every time Ragna fused with Nu after falling in the cauldron.

So this brings up the question: Just during which time period did Master Unit Amaterasu create time loops???