Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[kylehyde]

Something I noticed from Rachel's quote when she fights Carl. It seems that according to her, Carl will have some kind of important task to fulfill but his time hasn't arrived yet. She said this in both CS and CP.

What's the quote from CP? What does she say?

[Zedar90]

What's the quote from CP? What does she say?

お人形使いの坊や。あなたはあなたの役割があるわ。よく考えて行動しなさい。 It's something like: You boy who is using doll(s). You have your own role. Think thoroughly before you act.

[Shinhwa]

If you ask me, it doesn't seem like him siding with Relius was the exact role he was to do. I think it starts from there after he saves Relius.

[Toxin45]

If you ask me, it doesn't seem like him siding with Relius was the exact role he was to do. I think it starts from there after he saves Relius.

Amane's real reason for recruiting carl is probably this reason.

[Luminos564]

Something I noticed from Rachel's quote when she fights Carl. It seems that according to her, Carl will have some kind of important task to fulfill but his time hasn't arrived yet. She said this in both CS and CP.

Translation: "Mori-san has not yet figured out what he wants to do with the tyke. Please wait for BB4 where he may or may not actually do anything of import".

[Shinhwa]

From what I think, I don't think ArcSys will release the 4th Blazblue till maybe Remix Heart is over. Considering Mai and Taro's mentioning in BBCP, I think it hints that they might become part of the main story in the future. Taro I don't know as he was just Jin's bodyguard and Kagura's relative, but Mai has her own power regarding the Grimoires and she actually has high battle capabilities as seen in Remix Heart manga. Also, considering the fact Blazblue does not have any character who dual wields swords, if Mai were to join the story, I would say she would use dual wield katanas like shown in her official arts. Considering the fact Celica was originally only part of Phase Shift Novel series then joined the main story after Phase Shift 4 was over, I would say Remix Heart may lead to the reason why Mai is considered missing at the moment in the current timeline, and may have her join the team and contribute using her Grimoire powers. I doubt she is just a spin-off character. We never thought Celica would join the main story until the 4th novel's epilogue showed her meeting Kokonoe. Same thing might happen for Mai, where at the end of Remix Heart, the reason why she goes missing may be shown and explained.

Amane's real reason for recruiting carl is probably this reason.

Although Amane is a bystander like Rachel and he has a playful side, he doesn't really do things without reason from what I have seen. There is a pretty good reason why he goes after Carl, and I don't think making him join his group is the main reason. It probably has to do with Carl's current status and the role he must fulfill in the future. There is a good reason why Amane is called a "Bushin".

Translation: "Mori-san has not yet figured out what he wants to do with the tyke. Please wait for BB4 where he may or may not actually do anything of import".

^THIS XD

Edited December 21, 2013 by Shinhwa

[Shinhwa]

But has there been confirmations that there will be any CP extensions?

[raziel12]

But has there been confirmations that there will be any CP extensions?

no not yet but they not going to mention it untill around april or may cause the game is back in its testing phase again now that the US version is on its way now in march they will use this chance to extend the story and add one or 2 more characters and also fill in any loop holes but the ending will remain the same though and besides ArcSys will not be in a hurry to end this game too soon because CP was supposed to be the final game but they decided to extended it to one more game and besides CP dont have too many loop holes compared too how many CS had i say their will be only 1 remake CP2

[Master Of Chaos]

There hasn't been anything about CP extensions or any news about BlazBlue 4. And as ChaosChao said earlier, this isn't the character wishlist or hypothetical re-release thread. In any case...

I know it hasn't been confirmed or had any "Official" evidence, but what do you guys think of the theory that Hazama=Kazuma?

[heavymetalmixer]

There hasn't been anything about CP extensions or any news about BlazBlue 4. And as ChaosChao said earlier, this isn't the character wishlist or hypothetical re-release thread. In any case...

I know it hasn't been confirmed or had any "Official" evidence, but what do you guys think of the theory that Hazama=Kazuma?

Jubei eliminated Kazuma with his "left eye" (Sekigan, i think) and left Terumi in a ghost state, and Hakumen took the chance to take him in the boundary.

[Zedar90]

There hasn't been anything about CP extensions or any news about BlazBlue 4. And as ChaosChao said earlier, this isn't the character wishlist or hypothetical re-release thread. In any case...

I know it hasn't been confirmed or had any "Official" evidence, but what do you guys think of the theory that Hazama=Kazuma?

I'm leaning to not the same. Hazama even said to Trinity: "The body I used during the Dark wars was your friend wasn't it?" Also Kazuma could use magic while it looks like Hazama can't. Terumi freaked out when Hakumen grabbed him and jumped into the gate saying his body would disappear. Also, Takamagahara only released Terumi's spirit, in other words there is more to release from the edge.

[Toxin45]

no not yet but they not going to mention it untill around april or may cause the game is back in its testing phase again now that the US version is on its way now in march they will use this chance to extend the story and add one or 2 more characters and also fill in any loop holes but the ending will remain the same though and besides ArcSys will not be in a hurry to end this game too soon because CP was supposed to be the final game but they decided to extended it to one more game and besides CP dont have too many loop holes compared too how many CS had i say their will be only 1 remake CP2

But there are six more character spots so yeah and update the story mode with an aftermath which takes place after the epilogue of CP

[Zedar90]

But there are six more character spots so yeah and update the story mode with an aftermath which takes place after the epilogue of CP

If they add something to the story mode, I would think that it wont take place after the epilogue. What they could do is show what Taokaka, Jubei(before he jumps on Izanami), Arakune and Bullet was doing during the climax. Also when Litchi goes back to Relius and how Carl did make his decision.

[Shinhwa]

Taokaka pretty much disappeared after Episode 11 yeah lol.... She seriously needs to get more relevance towards the main plot =w=;;

Jubei only showed up in Six Heroes Route then suddenly in the last episode against Phantom and Izanami.

Arakune... yeah... he pretty much disappeared after Episode 12

Bullet disappeared after Episode 13 but she did appear in the Sector Seven route.

Litchi was back on Kokonoe's side kind of temporarily but then went back to Relius for some unknown reason yeah.

Also there is something that's confusing me. You know how Nu has seithr injected to her and how she has Azure Grimoire? So why wasn't she affected by Celica's power? Didn't really seem like she was affected at all.

[Master Of Chaos]

For that matter, what about Noel? Considering she's the "True Successor Of The Azure," wouldn't something happen to her?

[Zedar90]

Yeah, Celica should have some effect one Saya, Noel and Nu since they are humans made by seithr. After all wasn't that the plan Kokonoe had? To use the Lynchpin to annihilate Saya, while it wouldn't kill Izanami it at least would make her not be able to do anything since she would have no body.

[Shinhwa]

Yeah, it's weird.

Noel didn't seem like she didn't get affected at all. She was acting all normal and such, being all friendly and cheerful with Celica.

Saya/Izanami although she could have killed Celica when she met her in the Sector Seven route, for some reason she let her go, also the fact Izanami didn't suffer any pain or whatever from Celica just being in front of her unlike Terumi.

Nu, she was like right there where Celica was when Relius and Nu ambushed Ragna, Noel, Celica and Bang, yet Nu didn't get affected crap and just kept on going with the synchronization and whatnot. Same thing in the final battle between Ragna vs Nu. Celica didn't affect Nu at all o_o

Only people that actually got affected and suffered were Ragna, Terumi and Arakune. Celica did also like weaken people's Ars Magus (Episode 13 shows that due to Celica; Bullet and Kagura could not bring out their full strength against Azrael who is all brute strength and no Ars Magus.

Contradiction or what is this?

[Zedar90]

Yeah, it's weird.

Noel didn't seem like she didn't get affected at all. She was acting all normal and such, being all friendly and cheerful with Celica.

Saya/Izanami although she could have killed Celica when she met her in the Sector Seven route, for some reason she let her go, also the fact Izanami didn't suffer any pain or whatever from Celica just being in front of her unlike Terumi.

Nu, she was like right there where Celica was when Relius and Nu ambushed Ragna, Noel, Celica and Bang, yet Nu didn't get affected crap and just kept on going with the synchronization and whatnot. Same thing in the final battle between Ragna vs Nu. Celica didn't affect Nu at all o_o

Only people that actually got affected and suffered were Ragna, Terumi and Arakune. Celica did also like weaken people's Ars Magus (Episode 13 shows that due to Celica; Bullet and Kagura could not bring out their full strength against Azrael who is all brute strength and no Ars Magus.

Contradiction or what is this?

Maybe it's only just that Celica's powers is too weak because of her limiters. The only "wave" that Kokonoe didn't weaken was the one effecting the Azure Grimoire's (Ragna & Hazama).

[Shinhwa]

I wonder if the next chronophantasma material book will release articles about what happened to some characters afterwards and such :/

Also, I seriously think Celica dying next game is inevitable due to her life span being pretty short after releasing her limiter and such, where she may use her last amount of life to save Ragna or do a noble sacrifice.

Unless, Kokonoe has found a way to increase her life span or if Phantom/Nine comes back to normal and finds a way to increase her life span or something. But her current situation is dire and she won't last long for sure. I really can't tell if her life span can be increased but Kokonoe did say in Episode 16 that she can't do anything about her life span.

The way Hazama/Terumi told Noel that she will taste despair again caught my interest. I don't think this has to do with Amaterasu being summoned though. Which means that she may have to come face some kind of dire situation of choice within despair in the next game. I am not sure if this was just taunting her, but I think Hazama was serious when he said this, because he knows a lot about her.

I think one mission the characters must fulfill is to "save" Izanami, but I don't know in what way. Izanami did tell Ragna that "You cannot save me. Forever".

It really seems "saving" is the keyword for the current world, instead of "destroying", just as told in the story about the Girl and the Book, "destroying", or "defeating", only leads to the bad route, which is what made Amaterasu make timeloops (aka erasing the story and rewriting it whole). What must be done is "saving".

I am going to guess that the next game, we may see a lot of sacrifices and deaths happening, except the characters may come back to life thanks to Amaterasu (She is the only one who can make it happen) It's just my instincts, but the way Izanami said when the "chosen ones" disappear she will win, it pretty much means that we will see them disappearing one way or another (Reference from Devil Survivor and Persona, where the protagonists' allies/friends start getting defeated/disappearing due to the enemy except they all come back at the end. This kind of concept can be used again in Blazblue too. It's kind of a common concept that is used in a lot of games, anime, manga and novels).

I am starting to wonder though why Izanami's attacks are all Murakumo Unit based attacks though, where she like summons swords just like Nu.

[heavymetalmixer]

Yeah, it's weird.

Noel didn't seem like she didn't get affected at all. She was acting all normal and such, being all friendly and cheerful with Celica.

Saya/Izanami although she could have killed Celica when she met her in the Sector Seven route, for some reason she let her go, also the fact Izanami didn't suffer any pain or whatever from Celica just being in front of her unlike Terumi.

Nu, she was like right there where Celica was when Relius and Nu ambushed Ragna, Noel, Celica and Bang, yet Nu didn't get affected crap and just kept on going with the synchronization and whatnot. Same thing in the final battle between Ragna vs Nu. Celica didn't affect Nu at all o_o

Only people that actually got affected and suffered were Ragna, Terumi and Arakune. Celica did also like weaken people's Ars Magus (Episode 13 shows that due to Celica; Bullet and Kagura could not bring out their full strength against Azrael who is all brute strength and no Ars Magus.

Contradiction or what is this?

Maybe Ceclica's power only affect the ones with a power based on the black beast's body, and this means Ragna, Terumi and Ars Magus(that were made from the Black Beast Seithr). Noel, Saya and Nu don't share this characteristic, so they don't get affected.

[Toxin45]

I wonder if the next chronophantasma material book will release articles about what happened to some characters afterwards and such :/

Also, I seriously think Celica dying next game is inevitable due to her life span being pretty short after releasing her limiter and such, where she may use her last amount of life to save Ragna or do a noble sacrifice.

Unless, Kokonoe has found a way to increase her life span or if Phantom/Nine comes back to normal and finds a way to increase her life span or something. But her current situation is dire and she won't last long for sure. I really can't tell if her life span can be increased but Kokonoe did say in Episode 16 that she can't do anything about her life span.

The way Hazama/Terumi told Noel that she will taste despair again caught my interest. I don't think this has to do with Amaterasu being summoned though. Which means that she may have to come face some kind of dire situation of choice within despair in the next game. I am not sure if this was just taunting her, but I think Hazama was serious when he said this, because he knows a lot about her.

I think one mission the characters must fulfill is to "save" Izanami, but I don't know in what way. Izanami did tell Ragna that "You cannot save me. Forever".

It really seems "saving" is the keyword for the current world, instead of "destroying", just as told in the story about the Girl and the Book, "destroying", or "defeating", only leads to the bad route, which is what made Amaterasu make timeloops (aka erasing the story and rewriting it whole). What must be done is "saving".

I am going to guess that the next game, we may see a lot of sacrifices and deaths happening, except the characters may come back to life thanks to Amaterasu (She is the only one who can make it happen) It's just my instincts, but the way Izanami said when the "chosen ones" disappear she will win, it pretty much means that we will see them disappearing one way or another (Reference from Devil Survivor and Persona, where the protagonists' allies/friends start getting defeated/disappearing due to the enemy except they all come back at the end. This kind of concept can be used again in Blazblue too. It's kind of a common concept that is used in a lot of games, anime, manga and novels).

I am starting to wonder though why Izanami's attacks are all Murakumo Unit based attacks though, where she like summons swords just like Nu.

Pretty sure is whoever is inside the master unit and Saya is possessed by Izanami so no surprise there.

Also Terumi did try to fuse with and if the speculation about Noel carrying Saya's soul is true then yeah he did know everything about her.

This is harsher in hindsight with Izanami being the main villain of BlazBlue and all except unlike her Persona counterpart who has a blue and orange morality and wants what's best for humanity this Izanami does not instead she wants to kill em all good or neutral,thus making her less sympathetic and more cruel.

Also Saya is hinted to be artificial meaning she was meant to be a vessel for Izanami but jubei wanted to stop her from returning so she took Saya,Jin,and Ragna (who's implied to be a composite of Toya and Sechs with acht) to the chruch.

Also the Your days are numbered also shows that the world along with Ragna,Hakumen,Celica,Litchi,and Arakune are running out of time.

[Shinhwa]

Litchi and Arakune I am not too sure.

Ragna definitely is near death but as stated before, Life Link and other factors that can save him needs to be considered

Hakumen definitely is losing his powers and can't sustain his existence in the current timeline much longer as he is slowly getting sucked into the boundary.

Celica as I already stated, she used tons of her life span due to her limiter removal.

[Toxin45]

Litchi and Arakune I am not too sure.

Ragna definitely is near death but as stated before, Life Link and other factors that can save him needs to be considered

Hakumen definitely is losing his powers and can't sustain his existence in the current timeline much longer as he is slowly getting sucked into the boundary.

Celica as I already stated, she used tons of her life span due to her limiter removal.

Yeah but what about the others I said before?

[Zedar90]

In Blueraji A episode 5 Mori said that Yuuki Terumi isn't Terumi's real name... What can Terumi's real name be then, Susanoo? And how many names is he going to have...

[Lucid_Nightmare]

In Blueraji A episode 5 Mori said that Yuuki Terumi isn't Terumi's real name... What can Terumi's real name be then, Susanoo? And how many names is he going to have...

I'm going with: Soichiro Unomaru

Why?:

This is interesting...It's funny, when Ripper was introduced, I sort of thought he could have been Terumi when he was human...Although, we know now that didn't happen...

That leaves Unomaru...Between him being revealed to have villainous intentions, to Sechs calling him "snake"(?), him falling into the cauldron(where weird things happen to people)....as well as the facts that Terumi is really knowledgeable with science and has mysterious origins...Who knows?

Just a theory...