Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Zedar90]

Well I mean for Life Link, would one's Life span be restored to a certain amount?

The thing is how if you look at the other routes, Bullet doesn't recognize Azrael in either routes until she meets him and they happen in different locations (Dimensional Interferences and Influences to blame). Hakumen didn't really know what happened with Terumi in Episode 18 despite he had helped to defeat Terumi in the Six Heroes route. Jubei didn't recognize Phantom as Nine in Episode 17 either despite Celica having told him that Nine = Phantom. So if the Dimensional Interferences were to have characters rewind back in time in the end, just what was the main purpose of those other two routes...?

What Life-Link does it fools the System (Amaterasu?) to think that one who is dead is alive and thus revives them since in the Systems eye's they are alive, I don't think it prevents aging and make them "younger".

The purpose of the Six-heroes route is to show those who didn't read phase 0 the important parts of Ragna going to the past, and a big hint why Terumi was a doppelgänger in the climax. Also doesn't the Six heroes route happens quite early? Rachel ask Celica if she doesn't want to go and meet Ragna leading to episode 7?

Sector Seven was showing what Litchi was up to, how Kokonoe got to Ikaruga and what the truth about the Ikaruga Civil War. And Sector Seven begings earlier then Six heroes since Platinum is with Bang but in Six heroes she is already in Rachel's castle.

The big question is, when Bang said that Relius told Bang what Bang's Nox is, when was this?

[Toxin45]

Apparently Terumi and Hazama had a life link with one another.When Hakumen used time killer on terumi hazama simultaneously gets killed.

Edited December 30, 2013 by Toxin45

[Zedar90]

Apparently Terumi and Hazama had a life link with one another.When Hakumen used time killer on terumi hazama simultaneously gets killed.

That isn't Life-Link, that must be another reason. Life-Link is so that when the System reads the Life/Death state of one person it will read it as "Alive" as long as the partner is alive even if the person that is read is dead.

[Toxin45]

That isn't Life-Link, that must be another reason. Life-Link is so that when the System reads the Life/Death state of one person it will read it as "Alive" as long as the partner is alive even if the person that is read is dead.

Okay but still they were syncronitzed

Probly because terumi being a cp like Celica.

[Shinhwa]

Toxin... you are saying nonsense now... Terumi isn't a chronophantasma...

[Toxin45]

Toxin... you are saying nonsense now... Terumi isn't a chronophantasma...

I ment his body shin-chan and trinity separating terumi from Hazama but in a doppleganger.

[Master Of Chaos]

That isn't even close to what a Chronophantasma is.

[Toxin45]

That isn't even close to what a Chronophantasma is.

look all I am saying that terumi dying maid hazama died

[Master Of Chaos]

Terumi getting pwned certanly did something to Hazama, but he's not confirmed to be dead. It most likely had to do with the connection between Hazama and Terumi, similiar to what Terumi and Kazuma had. What that entails, we do not know...

One thing I wanted to know. Could Terumi use the power of the Azure or draw power from fake Grimore, or was that exclusive to Hazama?

[Zedar90]

Terumi getting pwned certanly did something to Hazama, but he's not confirmed to be dead. It most likely had to do with the connection between Hazama and Terumi, similiar to what Terumi and Kazuma had. What that entails, we do not know...

One thing I wanted to know. Could Terumi use the power of the Azure or draw power from fake Grimore, or was that exclusive to Hazama?

I don't think he never used it, and the only times I think Hazama used the Grimoire was during the prologue and during the preparation for Nu when they were going to summon Amaterasu.

There is one thing that is bugging me though, why was it that Hazama told Terumi to be at the Gate and why did Terumi follow it.

[Master Of Chaos]

Hazama used the Azure to power up and fight Hakumen during the last battle of the Six Heroes route.

Well, they needed someone to protect the gate while Hazama was busy using the Azure Grimore to gather souls, didn't they? Relius, Carl, and Litchi were busy with stopping the Linchpin Activation, and Terumi was their strongest fighter, so why not him? They probably thought that the Heroes didn't have anyone that could beat him while they were split up.

The flaw there was that they all somehow forgot the living, breathing win machine that was Hakumen. In all seriousness and their defense, Terumi WAS winning the fight against Haku until Trinity intervened and blindsided Hazzie. They probably weren't anticipating a sneak attack like that.

[Toxin45]

Hazama used the Azure to power up and fight Hakumen during the last battle of the Six Heroes route.

Well, they needed someone to protect the gate while Hazama was busy using the Azure Grimore to gather souls, didn't they? Relius, Carl, and Litchi were busy with stopping the Linchpin Activation, and Terumi was their strongest fighter, so why not him? They probably thought that the Heroes didn't have anyone that could beat him while they were split

The flaw there was that they all somehow forgot the living, breathing win machine that was Hakumen. In all seriousness and their defense, Terumi WAS winning the fight against Haku until Trinity intervened and blindsided Hazzie. They probably weren't anticipating a sneak attack like that.

Well hakumen wasn't at full power and was fading away that caused him to have a stand still with terumi.Also without the time loops terumi was less efficient as he was before going as far as to seal his own doom

[kylehyde]

Well hakumen wasn't at full power and was fading away that caused him to have a stand still with terumi.Also without the time loops terumi was less efficient as he was before going as far as to seal his own doom

I'm pretty sure Hakumen at full power couldn't beat Temuri considering he fought him before at 100% and was still losing during the past.

[Toxin45]

I'm pretty sure Hakumen at full power couldn't beat Temuri considering he fought him before at 100% and was still losing during the past.

only because of the cauldron they were near.

[churchblue]

I' m very sure that Jin will face Hakumen in their last duel to determine if Jin is worthy of succeeding him as the White Knight. Jin needs the Susanoo Unit to fight Izanami. Ookami will likely be given to Tsubaki as a keepsake. I'm pretty sure that Hakumen would leave a gift for Jin and Tsubaki before he fades away.

[Zedar90]

Well, they needed someone to protect the gate while Hazama was busy using the Azure Grimore to gather souls, didn't they? Relius, Carl, and Litchi were busy with stopping the Linchpin Activation, and Terumi was their strongest fighter, so why not him? They probably thought that the Heroes didn't have anyone that could beat him while they were split up.

The flaw there was that they all somehow forgot the living, breathing win machine that was Hakumen. In all seriousness and their defense, Terumi WAS winning the fight against Haku until Trinity intervened and blindsided Hazzie. They probably weren't anticipating a sneak attack like that.

The strange part wasn't that Terumi was there, it was that Hazama told Terumi to go there. Terumi would actually listen to what Hazama is telling him to do? Isn't it supposed to be Terumi who is in charge of the duo and to the planning of actions?

I could think of three scenarios: 1: Terumi simply listened to what Hazama said. 2: It was actually Hazama that was where the Gate and pretended to be Terumi. 3: Hazama tricked Terumi to go there to get rid of him and pretended to die when Terumi dies so that he can do whatever he wants and not listening to what Terumi is ordering.

[Toxin45]

The strange part wasn't that Terumi was there, it was that Hazama told Terumi to go there. Terumi would actually listen to what Hazama is telling him to do? Isn't it supposed to be Terumi who is in charge of the duo and to the planning of actions?

I could think of three scenarios: 1: Terumi simply listened to what Hazama said. 2: It was actually Hazama that was where the Gate and pretended to be Terumi. 3: Hazama tricked Terumi to go there to get rid of him and pretended to die when Terumi dies so that he can do whatever he wants and not listening to what Terumi is ordering.

Hazama is still technically terumi given that he spikes up his hair and the original terumi aka the doppleganger with the other half of his ghost Izanami most likely set up his downfall.

Also out of curiosity do you think Hinata and Es fused to become amateratsu? Because I think their the two half's of the same person

[Zedar90]

Hazama is still technically terumi given that he spikes up his hair and the original terumi aka the doppleganger with the other half of his ghost Izanami most likely set up his downfall.

Also out of curiosity do you think Hinata and Es fused to become amateratsu? Because I think their the two half's of the same person

Lets see what we know about Amaterasu Unit first, It's the ultimate observer, It's also called the Master Unit, it's one of the three Original Units, It's currently giving the world it's shape using dreams(memories).

One thing is that Hakumen told Relius that starting the DestructionDay(Horobi) would be like activating the Takamagahara Reset, and the one who rebuilds the world is the Successor of Azure, that would mean that Amaterasu should be counted as a successor if "she" could rebuild the world herself.

Now about Hinata, the game XBLAZE is trying to very hard beat the fact that Hinata=Goddess. When Touya said he was sorry to Yuki for putting Hinata in danger Yuki said something like that Hinata was never in any danger because she is a goddess. Hinata was given that name by Yuki because Hinata was like a sun (Amaterasu is the Goddess of the Sun). And the Gag route is right out calling Hinata "the goddess of curry".

Also, When Hinata's power of the embryo went berserk she could rewrite and reconstruct the world, would this be possible if the Amaterasu Unit was up and running like it is in Blazblue?

Now in the end Hinata got her soul sealed by Sechs' kusanagi (could this be why her emblem's wings is closed?) and could no longer use her powers, so she transferred her "feelings" to Es, not that she transferred the embryo, it only came together with the feelings. But why "feelings"? Did she give Es her soul or something? And that could also be the reason why Hinata's emblem is part of that Murakumo Unit emblem in the XBLAZE TGS Trailer.

Now, is Es Amaterasu? Could be, I'm not sure how much connected Mori is going to take Xblaze with Blazblue. All I know for sure is that the 25th art book says: 「ブレイブルー」シリーズの過去の世界を描くアドベンチャーゲーム。 (an adventure game that draws the world of Blazblue series past)

[Master Of Chaos]

The strange part wasn't that Terumi was there, it was that Hazama told Terumi to go there. Terumi would actually listen to what Hazama is telling him to do? Isn't it supposed to be Terumi who is in charge of the duo and to the planning of actions?

I could think of three scenarios: 1: Terumi simply listened to what Hazama said. 2: It was actually Hazama that was where the Gate and pretended to be Terumi. 3: Hazama tricked Terumi to go there to get rid of him and pretended to die when Terumi dies so that he can do whatever he wants and not listening to what Terumi is ordering.

The second theory seems highly unlikely:

-Unless this theory turns out to be true via some complicated thought out mega-crazy prepared process, this means that Terumi also switched places with Hazama. Why would they do this?

-This would require that Terumi have his own Azure Grimore in order to gather the souls at the Alter. Which doesn't seem to be the case, as it doesn't look like the doppelganger has it's own copy, and seeing as Hazama's Azure is his entire body (At least, that's what I'm getting), it doesn't seem like he could just pass it on to Terumi. If he did, why didn't Terumi use it to fight off Hakumen and Jubei in the Six Heroes Route? If there was ever a time to use BlazBlue, that would have been it.

-If the one fighting Hakumen was indeed Hazama, then again, why didn't he activate BlazBlue to fight? For all their trolling, Hazama and Terumi always take Hakumen seriously and never fight him unless they were at full power.

-How did Hakumen slay Hazama with the Life Link in effect? I understand that Time Killer's da god and all that, but it should have done something to keep him alive. As it is, whoever fought Hakumen is most certainly completely and utterly dead.

The first and third theories could both make sense. It could be that Hazama suggested Terumi going due to the tower needing protection, and Terumi agreed simply because he thought it was the best course of action. If Battle Intros and diolouge can be taken at face value, Hazama seems to be the only person that Terumi doesn't hate, or at least, doesn't wish to thoroughly brutalize and murder.

The third theory could also make sense, as we don't know exactly how Hazama thinks of Terumi, but it leaves some issues. First, Hazama and Terumi are definitely connected somehow, as seen when Platinum paralyzes Hazama and it messes up Terumi. Would Hazama really take that risk with something he (Most likely) didn't understand? Second,why would Hazama need to pretend to be dying after Terumi was Hakuwin'd? It would have probably have been easy enough to just kill Platinum without all that "Taking you with me" stuff. Unless, all of this is a ploy devised by Hazama and Relius to pretend to be beaten, so that they can eliminate Terumi and Izanami, and end up on top before anyone's the wiser...

...Now I want this to be what really happened.

[Toxin45]

The second theory seems highly unlikely:

-Unless this theory turns out to be true via some complicated thought out mega-crazy prepared process, this means that Terumi also switched places with Hazama. Why would they do this?

-This would require that Terumi have his own Azure Grimore in order to gather the souls at the Alter. Which doesn't seem to be the case, as it doesn't look like the doppelganger has it's own copy, and seeing as Hazama's Azure is his entire body (At least, that's what I'm getting), it doesn't seem like he could just pass it on to Terumi. If he did, why didn't Terumi use it to fight off Hakumen and Jubei in the Six Heroes Route? If there was ever a time to use BlazBlue, that would have been it.

-If the one fighting Hakumen was indeed Hazama, then again, why didn't he activate BlazBlue to fight? For all their trolling, Hazama and Terumi always take Hakumen seriously and never fight him unless they were at full power.

-How did Hakumen slay Hazama with the Life Link in effect? I understand that Time Killer's da god and all that, but it should have done something to keep him alive. As it is, whoever fought Hakumen is most certainly completely and utterly dead.

The first and third theories could both make sense. It could be that Hazama suggested Terumi going due to the tower needing protection, and Terumi agreed simply because he thought it was the best course of action. If Battle Intros and diolouge can be taken at face value, Hazama seems to be the only person that Terumi doesn't hate, or at least, doesn't wish to thoroughly brutalize and murder.

The third theory could also make sense, as we don't know exactly how Hazama thinks of Terumi, but it leaves some issues. First, Hazama and Terumi are definitely connected somehow, as seen when Platinum paralyzes Hazama and it messes up Terumi. Would Hazama really take that risk with something he (Most likely) didn't understand? Second,why would Hazama need to pretend to be dying after Terumi was Hakuwin'd? It would have probably have been easy enough to just kill Platinum without all that "Taking you with me" stuff. Unless, all of this is a ploy devised by Hazama and Relius to pretend to be beaten, so that they can eliminate Terumi and Izanami, and end up on top before anyone's the wiser...

...Now I want this to be what really happened.

Well Terumi and Hazama are the same person plus their both love one author about their egos. Also unlikely from relius and terumi because Relius lost everything and had a massive breakdown and hazama got cut so they loss their villain Sue status.They didn't except to be betrayed by izanami.Also Terumi and Hazama share the same mind do without terumi in hazama he's pretty much an empty shell.

[Zedar90]

Nah, they weren't "betrayed" by Izanami, They only had the contract with her until the end of the "party" (i.e. the summoning of Amaterasu) and after that they were supposed to do what ever they wanted (Relius: recreate the world and get rid of Izanami, Terumi: Kill Amaterasu and show how the world truly is, Izanami: Create a world of death)

[Toxin45]

Nah, they weren't "betrayed" by Izanami, They only had the contract with her until the end of the "party" (i.e. the summoning of Amaterasu) and after that they were supposed to do what ever they wanted (Relius: recreate the world and get rid of Izanami, Terumi: Kill Amaterasu and show how the world truly is, Izanami: Create a world of death)

Yeah but given that Izanami stated that she would give them the worst death and the fact that she give up being imperator which their resources were and the fact that she took phantom with her while she abandons the duo to their gates,its save to assume that she backstab them first.

Edited December 31, 2013 by Toxin45

[Zedar90]

Yeah but given that Izanami stated that she would give them the worst death and the fact that she give up being imperator its save to assume that she backstab them first.

That isn't back stabbing, that's more "you've done your part and I've done mine. So go and die with the rest, it's not like we're friends".

[Toxin45]

That isn't back stabbing, that's more "you've done your part and I've done mine. So go and die with the rest, it's not like we're friends".

Yeah but still relius and terumi thought that she was their puppet queen but they thought wrong

[Master Of Chaos]

They never thought that Izanami was their puppet. They were all in an alliance for mutual benefit.