Shinhwa Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 She was bored. That's basically her reason for doing anything in CT besides the True Ending. She did things to relieve her boredom. I really wonder about that... I don't think it's that simple...
kylehyde Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 I really wonder about that... I don't think it's that simple... Remember she knows who the key actors are, she was probably just checking up on them like she does with everyone else.
raziel12 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) ok this confuse me in the anime terumi said if a Murakumo and azure gremiore fail to become one they become the black beast but in the game it said when they fuse they become the black beast but makes you wonder wat will happen when a azure gremiore and a Murakumo successful become one 0_0(Ragna and nu) the reason while it failed for noel is because she rejected terumi completely so it didnt work i guess their is one way for it to be successful will be is that both the azure gremiore holder and the Murakumo must accept one another i think wat resulted to the black beast that fought the six heroes was due to ragna rejecting Nu and everything about himself and the world just like toya had to accept everything in order to use the power of the original gremiore Edited December 18, 2013 by raziel12
Shinhwa Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Remember she knows who the key actors are, she was probably just checking up on them like she does with everyone else. The main question is what will happen those actors once the whole play is over...?
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 ok this confuse me in the anime terumi said if a Murakumo and azure gremiore fail to become one they become the black beast but in the game it said when they fuse they become the black beast but makes you wonder wat will happen when a azure gremiore and a Murakumo successful become one 0_0(Ragna and nu) the reason while it failed for noel is because she rejected terumi completely so it didnt work i guess their is one way for it to be successful will be is that both the azure gremiore holder and the Murakumo must accept one another i think wat resulted to the black beast that fought the six heroes was due to ragna rejecting Nu and everything about himself and the world just like toya had to accept everything in order to use the power of the original gremiore The result of a successful merger might be that Murakumo Ragna pic.....if so, then that's gonna be one weird ass fusion.
Toxin45 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 The result of a successful merger might be that Murakumo Ragna pic.....if so, then that's gonna be one weird ass fusion. Oh god no
Shinhwa Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 The result of a successful merger might be that Murakumo Ragna pic.....if so, then that's gonna be one weird ass fusion. If he becomes something similar to this: I think it might be badass as long as he isn't genderswapped lol But truthfully saying... I don't really want him fusing with anyone... If he actually fuses with Nu, that means she will disappear from the world Q___Q
Toxin45 Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 Also about Murakumos Here's my theroy. It's hinted that only 11-13 carry a piece of Saya's soul and each of them represent parts of personality. Here's my list Lambda-11:Represents Saya's Intelligence. Noel Vermillion/Mu-12:Represents the innocence of Saya. Nu-13:Represents some of Saya's dark parts and her neediness towards Ragna.
Shinhwa Posted December 18, 2013 Posted December 18, 2013 I just realized that right now the antagonists are an all-girls team lol Unless Izanami plans to hire/recruit some new underlings that will be in her benefit. Azrael is definitely a candidate.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Yeah but to be fair Izanami has Ragna and to some extent the Black Beast on her side so she might recruit azrael. Edited December 19, 2013 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Yeah but to be fair Izanami has Ragna and to some extent the Black Beast on her side so she might recruit azrael. We don't know if she can actually "control" him. She did make him go berserk for her benefit but we don't know if she can directly control him of however she wants him to act.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 We don't know if she can actually "control" him. She did make him go berserk for her benefit but we don't know if she can directly control him of however she wants him to act. To be fair if she's the priest of azure if it's to be confirmed then yeah she can tame the Black Beast.She did try making Rags into her using Saya's voice due to Izanami making use of Saya's devotion towards him. Eventually she just plain brainwashes him and Ragna disappeared with Izanami so yeah I'm pretty sure Izanami can control him Imena just ask Phantom and Nu,which the latter doesn't seem to mind taking orders from her.
kylehyde Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 She could of just controlled Ragna from the beginning if that were the case. Which is why I doubt she has any control over him, she can probably make him go berserk but maybe that's it.
Master Of Chaos Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Do we actually know if Izanami has any control over Nu? I thought her programming broke when she fought Ragna for the last time.
kylehyde Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Do we actually know if Izanami has any control over Nu? I thought her programming broke when she fought Ragna for the last time. I would assume so since she is her "sword."
Shinhwa Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Do we actually know if Izanami has any control over Nu? I thought her programming broke when she fought Ragna for the last time. Her programming never broke. Izanami definitely still has control over her as she is still her "sword", where I am praying really really badly that she becomes freed from her grasp or any of the shit that the antagonists have over her, which would mainly be her programming and adjustments that she had received from them. I really can't tell what happened to Nu after she backstabbed Ragna. The last thing she did was move "right", and she was not with Izanami. Tsubaki was able to be saved from Izanami's grasp, although the level of the "grasp" was no where on the same level as how much influence Izanami has over Nu. I am just seriously praying that the next game will have Nu being saved by Ragna then be purified from all the evil for real, like how Jin, Noel and Makoto were able to save Tsubaki in this game. Actually ArcSys should seriously make a Ragna vs Nu Soundtrack just like how there is one for Jin vs Tsubaki (Childish Killer). If I think about it, Ragna doesn't have any soundtrack that has vocal in it when he faces against a specific someone.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Her programming never broke. Izanami definitely still has control over her as she is still her "sword", where I am praying really really badly that she becomes freed from her grasp or any of the shit that the antagonists have over her, which would mainly be her programming and adjustments that she had received from them. I really can't tell what happened to Nu after she backstabbed Ragna. The last thing she did was move "right", and she was not with Izanami. Tsubaki was able to be saved from Izanami's grasp, although the level of the "grasp" was no where on the same level as how much influence Izanami has over Nu. I am just seriously praying that the next game will have Nu being saved by Ragna then be purified from all the evil for real, like how Jin, Noel and Makoto were able to save Tsubaki in this game. Actually ArcSys should seriously make a Ragna vs Nu Soundtrack just like how there is one for Jin vs Tsubaki (Childish Killer). If I think about it, Ragna doesn't have any soundtrack that has vocal in it when he faces against a specific someone. it's pretty clear Izanami and her pawns did some nasty stuff on Saya's soul when they put a piece in the murakumo's bodies ,Nu-13's obsession and soul to ragna is possibly the representation of Saya's devotion towards him, just turned twisted by Izanami. Although Izanami possessing Saya uses some "disturbing" subtle text in order to get Ragna by her side means that she's using Saya's "Devoution" towards him to "entice" him. Edited December 19, 2013 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 They didn't exactly separate Saya's soul. They just used her DNA to make clones to turn them into Murakumo Units. They had their emotions and everything all deleted and such so they would pretty much be controlled beings but a soul was born in them despite that.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) They didn't exactly separate Saya's soul. They just used her DNA to make clones to turn them into Murakumo Units. They had their emotions and everything all deleted and such so they would pretty much be controlled beings but a soul was born in them despite that. You sure? the only ones who are clones of Saya are 11-13.Also Relius was stated to created the bodies so I thought they created 11-13 out of the image of Saya ,not use her DNA. Edited December 19, 2013 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 You sure? the only ones who are clones of Saya are 11-13.Also Relius was stated to created the bodies so I thought they created out of image of Saya not use her DNA. I know 11-13 are the only Saya-based clones. whereabouts or details about 0~10 are unknown.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 I know 11-13 are the only Saya-based clones. whereabouts or details about 0~10 are unknown. Es could be zero as her weapon was Murakumo but I thought Izayoi was number zero consirering that it is referred to the zero unit. Plus I think that 1-10 were dead.
Zedar90 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 Es could be zero as her weapon was Murakumo but I thought Izayoi was number zero consirering that it is referred to the zero unit. Plus I think that 1-10 were dead. Izayoi is the murakumo prototype, has nothing to do with the prime fields. 0th: was a soul less doll that grew a soul. 1st: came in contact with master unit and got the azure eyes. Dumpd into the boundary and destroyed by Izayoi. 2-10: created by different organizations, never became kusanagi. 11-13: created by Relius and was using Saya as base.
Toxin45 Posted December 19, 2013 Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) Izayoi is the murakumo prototype, has nothing to do with the prime fields. 0th: was a soul less doll that grew a soul. 1st: came in contact with master unit and got the azure eyes. Dumpd into the boundary and destroyed by Izayoi. 2-10: created by different organizations, never became kusanagi. 11-13: created by Relius and was using Saya as base. Well Es as said before could number zero and could be one with the Master unit. But Chronphantasma seems to implies that at least one of three has at least some pieces of Saya's soul. Edited December 20, 2013 by Toxin45
Shinhwa Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 Something I noticed from Rachel's quote when she fights Carl. It seems that according to her, Carl will have some kind of important task to fulfill but his time hasn't arrived yet. She said this in both CS and CP.
sg1989 Posted December 20, 2013 Posted December 20, 2013 This is my first post in the forum . I read many theories here, and another organization and 2-10 murakumo unit caught my interest. I think that some be already in the playable cast, Ragna( epsilon-5 ?) and Azrael.(ok, this is absurd, but i think her enchant dragonov hide number or tattoo, but probable this is my imagination XD ) In the next game i not suprise if the new characters have strange tattoo in the body, revealing in the story the their true intentions and identity
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