Chrono Phantasma Speculations/Theories [rules updated 10/14]

[Cerotech Omega]

Thank you, VermillionBird, for cleaning up that lunacy. I'll deal with another piece.

Well we don't know, so its kinda presumptuous to automatically assume everyone is just going to start killing each other for power when there's no evidence for it yet LV

It's pretty much an inevitability that the conflict will start back up soon after Izanami is deposed; we just can't guess HOW soon. Also, even if the Duodecim knew that Tenjo was the old Imperator and can accept Homura as the rightful successor, the Committee just don't care, and likely would go about business as usual unless they are coerced into accepting a truce ("The fact that they're trying to take me out of the picture by force could mean that they intend to fight the Library for real."). Something needs to be done to bring both groups to amicable terms or we WILL see a conflict after Izanami is deposed as the highest power of the world. Got any ideas how that can be accomplished, guys?

[Kinezumi]

What do you think about there being a new 6 Heroes? There's a sense that the story is trying to move certain characters in place to replace the originals for some upcoming pivotal battle. Say for example Bang, Celica, Kagura, Kokonoe and some others. I want to say Taokaka because in this kind of thing you usually get a representative from each major faction (think of The Fellowship) but I don't know if they could make her personality work within that role without making the hypothetical threat seem too silly.

[kylehyde]

I think once this whole war is over, the Magic Guild with be reestablished and a new Ten Saints will be picked. As obvious, Kokonoe would be chosen as the new Nine. One should be Rachel Alucard and Naoto would be Two. As for the other seats, I don't know.

How about this; list your personal picks for the new Ten Saints.

This isn't the place to talk about personal wish lists. 

[red13]

so I see no one answered my question  I thought it was a very important plot point for Ragna too 

[Zedar90]

so I see no one answered my question  I thought it was a very important plot point for Ragna too 

Nobody knows why it's there, but it's the biggest evidence towards the whole Ragna is an artificial human theory.

The other 3 things that hint at it but not as in your face like that one is. Those 3 I believe are, Ragna saying he doesn't know whose soul he has. Terumi trying to taunt Ragna with that Ragna is a doll like Noel but Ragna knew it already. Ragna were in a lab before being found by Jubei.

[red13]

Nobody knows why it's there, but it's the biggest evidence towards the whole Ragna is an artificial human theory.

The other 3 things that hint at it but not as in your face like that one is. Those 3 I believe are, Ragna saying he doesn't know whose soul he has. Terumi trying to taunt Ragna with that Ragna is a doll like Noel but Ragna knew it already. Ragna were in a lab before being found by Jubei.

so Ragna is a number 5 test sub ? if that true then whats Jin?

[Zedar90]

so Ragna is a number 5 test sub ? if that true then whats Jin?

Dunno, too little about their past pre-church life has been revealed.

Was Jin just a random child?(not likely due to how similar he is to Ragna and Saya). Is Jin natural born or artificial being? Is it a coincidence that Jin has the power of order or was he made to have it? Was Jin made for the reason to become heir to the Kisaragi or did Terumi just drop him there for some random reason(some thinks Jin looks very similar to Seven for some reason)?

As I said, too little info have been given and hopefully CF will shed more light about Jin. In my opinion Jin is a bigger mystery than what Saya and Ragna are.

[Desert Fox]

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201510/20091108.html

I can't directly post the picture right now due to complications, but what info can we extract from the text (and story text boxes) in the picture?

Rachel looks unusually empathic.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Desert Fox

[Zedar90]

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201510/20091108.html

I can't directly post the picture right now due to complications, but what info can we extract from the text (and story text boxes) in the picture?

Rachel looks unusually empathic.

Nothing right now, it's too small to be able to read it.

What's known from it though: three acts. It looks like the first act's name is Phantom of Labyrinth.
And also this text is readable: Naoto, to a different world in search of the azure. Noel, cruel fate. Ragna, memory carved in the soul.

[BlackYakuzu94]

Jin is literally "who" 

 

So can we change the topic title? Its kind of non-indicative since Chronophantasma came out years ago. 

[DeathTurn]

Rachel looks unusually empathic.

Unsurprising as she is with Naoto. In the 1st volume of the Bloodedge Experience, she used Phenomena Intervention to travel to the past (his world) to see him.

My translation is rough, but:

Naoto on Rachel:

"The silhouette of the girl is just like a rabbit. The rabbit girl's expression is one of sadness, as if fearing for the future of someone or remembering someone's image. Such a gaze...is filled with sorrow and pain."

And...Rachel just so happens to be meeting Naoto again in the above featured scan preview.

 

 

 

[Chaoschao222]

So can we change the topic title? Its kind of non-indicative since Chronophantasma came out years ago. 

when CF actually comes out, a new thread will be made, just as with CS and CP.

[Desert Fox]

 

Unsurprising as she is with Naoto. In the 1st volume of the Bloodedge Experience, she used Phenomena Intervention to travel to the past (his world) to see him.

*snip*

And...Rachel just so happens to be meeting Naoto again in the above featured scan preview.

 

 

 

Actually, I thought that scene was referring to Ragna as the one she was fearing for, considering that he was stabbed with all sorts of death flags and how she reacted to his death in his bad ending back in CS.

Though for that to hold, I would have to think that Rachel was reminded of Ragna when she saw Naoto, and that there's such a connection between the second and the third that would make her think so that perhaps she might know (y'know, the whole Rachel/Ragna=Naoto/Raquel connection, but from a non-meta perspective).

I hope CF elaborates on the concept of "Bloodedge", the entity both Raquel and Naoto have seen throughout the novel. I'm tempted to think that this is actually Bloodedge from the original timeline (assuming there was one) or something related to the evil inside Ragna.

[kylehyde]

^ Yeah pretty much this, I always assumed she was thinking of Ragna when she was looking at Naoto. What happens to him is pretty much a mirror image of what happens to Ragna. And we all know that deep down inside Rachel has a soft spot for old Rags.

 

What I want to know is if "Raquel" is truly Rachel or some other being separate from her. 

[DeathTurn]

Actually, I thought that scene was referring to Ragna as the one she was fearing for, considering that he was stabbed with all sorts of death flags and how she reacted to his death in his bad ending back in CS.

Though for that to hold, I would have to think that Rachel was reminded of Ragna when she saw Naoto, and that there's such a connection between the second and the third that would make her think so that perhaps she might know (y'know, the whole Rachel/Ragna=Naoto/Raquel connection, but from a non-meta perspective).

I hope CF elaborates on the concept of "Bloodedge", the entity both Raquel and Naoto have seen throughout the novel. I'm tempted to think that this is actually Bloodedge from the original timeline (assuming there was one) or something related to the evil inside Ragna.

This is my position on the matter. Quoted from the Short Stories and Novels discussion.

In Part 1, Naoto encounters a melancholic Rachel Alucard amidst the now desolate streets of the city, during what we learn (in Part 2) to be a Phenomena Intervention evoked by her to view the past. The fact this Rachel is from the future is critical revelation, but I will return to that later. What is notable in this scene is that Rachel is somberly looking at Naoto, as she knows his future fate and is lamenting it: and also the fact Naoto has a "resemblance" to "someone else." Cutting to the chase, Rachel is obviously thinking about Ragna the Bloodedge. Questionably, Naoto sees Rachel and is also strong feeling of familiarity (despite not knowing her.) In Blazblue, those sudden feelings of unknown "nostalgia" are never coincidental. And to my knowledge, this is only occurs when a person's consciousness (Naoto's, in this case) is linked by the Boundary to his/hers "other" or "future" self. It could also be because Naoto met Rachel in the past, but I doubt that. This leads me to developments in Part 2:

 

A similar event unfolds, only it is happening to Raquel instead of Naoto. After Clavis' Phenomena Intervention, Raquel gazes upon Naoto and beholds his shadow, seeing "someone else" in it that "she" should not know from a distant past or distant future and she reflects on it momentarily as if it were a dream. What is suspect here is that the novel explicitly states "Raquel" (note quotation marks) should not know the person she is thinking of (who is obviously Ragna the Bloodedge.) In Blazblue, that normally means "this" Raquel does not exactly know Ragna, but "another" does. This leads me to my next point. Naoto describes the girl he saw (Rachel) having an appearance of "a young Raquel", which is to be expected as the two are presumably sisters...but I do not think this resemblance is because they are sisters: especially due to the unique and unnatural circumstances surrounding Raquel's "birth." It is very odd Raquel never mentions her supposedly elder sister, and neither does Clavis. In fact, "Rachel" seems nonexistent in the BE outside of that one Phenomena Intervention in which we know she is from the future. I do not think it is a coincidence “Rachel” showed up at the very place “Raquel” first dashes past Naoto during that Phenomena Intervention either.

 

Going by the foreshadowing, Naoto suffers a tragic fate during his pursuit of the Azure: a fate in which Rachel is very much aware of. She more than likely knows it because she was close to Naoto and witnessed it in the past from the distant future she is from. The circumstances of Naoto’s fate somehow lead to the existence of Ragna the Bloodedge. Thanks to Ragna’s “Just shut the hell up! So what if you’re not human!? I’m just like you! God only knows whose soul this actually is!” comment in CS, I think I have a pretty good idea how Naoto and Ragna might be connected.

 

Likewise, I believe something dreadful happens to Raquel: something causing her life-force value to drop from 80,000,000 to 0. As a result, she becomes a Chronophantasma: she becomes Rachel Alucard.

 

With Naoto jumping across the timeline, I wonder just how much this theory will hold up. I am excited to see the direction BBCF will take this, seeing as though closure via a 3rd novel is apparently not in the cards.

[kylehyde]

Wasn't the "God only knows whose soul this actually is!" line sort of mistranslated? Not too sure but I don't think he says that in the Japanese version. I believe he just acknowledges that he's artificially created. Again not too sure.

[red13]

 

This is my position on the matter. Quoted from the Short Stories and Novels discussion.

Hidden Content

 

With Naoto jumping across the timeline, I wonder just how much this theory will hold up. I am excited to see the direction BBCF will take this, seeing as though closure via a 3rd novel is apparently not in the cards.

I like this theory only,because truly re-enforce,the NaotoXRaquel/Rachel relationship lets face it, Naoto will do anything for his Hime unlike Ragna lolol 

Edited October 21, 2015 by red13

[Zedar90]

Wasn't the "God only knows whose soul this actually is!" line sort of mistranslated? Not too sure but I don't think he says that in the Japanese version. I believe he just acknowledges that he's artificially created. Again not too sure.

The Japanese line is 俺も造られた身体だ!魂だって誰んだかわかんねぇ! (I also have a created body! I don't even know who my soul is!)

[kylehyde]

The Japanese line is 俺も造られた身体だ!魂だって誰んだかわかんねぇ! (I also have a created body! I don't even know who my soul is!)

Thanks, I always wanted to know what that exact line was in Japanese.

[GunBlazer]

Based @Zedar90, do we know what does the text for the character artwork in the CF website say?

[Zedar90]

Based @Zedar90, do we know what does the text for the character artwork in the CF website say?

I translated it earlier in another place, but it's rough, very rough. It's difficult for me to translate when there's almost no context.
If anyone sees a major mistake, please correct me.

Ragna: … is my name Ragna?
Jin: … Let’s settle this, Brother.
Noel: We, the NOL, will capture the Grim Reaper for sure.
Rachel: We must do something about this situation before ”she” desires this world’s destruction.
Tao: Will the grim reaper person give Tao food?
Tager: This time? From ”when” are you talking about
Litchi: I’m sorry professor. But I no matter what, want to know about the truth.
Arakune:  Hihihihi, I Found it. This, Azure, azure, piece!
Bang: … who are you. This presences,you aren’t an ordinary person.
Carl: SS rank bounty, ”Grim Reaper”… I’m a chasing him. As a Vigilante.
Hakumen: I’ll end the god’s dream. That is what this strength is for…
Nu: … who are ”you”?
Tsubaki: I must find Jin-niisama as fast as possible.
Hazama: Should we go and take a look, Terumi-san?
Mu: Could it be the works of Yuuki Terumi again…?
Makoto: It’s only that I want to protect Noel and Tsubaki…
Valkenhayn: I don’t mind of you think of me as a foolish servant. There is no way that I can’t not stop you.
Platinum: What is going on! Why is no one noticing us!?
Relius: … it seems like the accommodation towards the embryo is finished.
Izayoi: I… don’t want Jin-niisama to carry any more pain than what he already does.
Amane: I don’t plan to interfere any more than this. Now it’s the things that you should do.
Bullet: The time that have past can’t return. That is no longer a dream that can be fullfield.
Azrael: That’s right, we haven’t continued that from that time yet, have we.
Kagura: Don’t play dumb, and quietly put that rope on you… Grim Reaper
Kokonoe: Some kind of influence… is it/I being interfered?
Terumi: So you finally arrived to here. I’ve been really waiting for you, Hazama-chan.
Celica: Hmm… strange. I wonder if everyone have gone somewhere.
Lambda: … Kill Ragna… not allowed… Won’t allow Ragna to be killed.
Hibiki: There’s no need for Kagura-sama to come out.
Naoto: I’ll find it/her! Until then I won’t stop.

Reading this, it seems like almost everyone is back to their CT state. Not Celica(probably because she is a chronophantasma) and Platinum(dunno why)

off topic, but how do one make a box to hide text? i believe the old way doesn't work anymore.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Zedar90

[DeathTurn]

off topic, but how do one make a box to hide text? i believe the old way doesn't work anymore.

I do not know what the HTML formatting is, but highlight your text and click the "eye"/spoiler icon in the reply box.

[Zedar90]

I do not know what the HTML formatting is, but highlight your text and click the "eye"/spoiler icon in the reply box.

Thanks, didn't realize that it made a box. There are no preview function anymore, unless I've missed it.

[BlackYakuzu94]

I translated it earlier in another place, but it's rough, very rough. It's difficult for me to translate when there's almost no context.If anyone sees a major mistake, please correct me.

Ragna: … is my name Ragna?
Jin: … Let’s settle this, Brother.
Noel: We, the NOL, will capture the Grim Reaper for sure.
Rachel: We must do something about this situation before ”she” desires this world’s destruction.
Tao: Will the grim reaper person give Tao food?
Tager: This time? From ”when” are you talking about
Litchi: I’m sorry professor. But I no matter what, want to know about the truth.
Arakune:  Hihihihi, I Found it. This, Azure, azure, piece!
Bang: … who are you. This presences,you aren’t an ordinary person.
Carl: SS rank bounty, ”Grim Reaper”… I’m a chasing him. As a Vigilante.
Hakumen: I’ll end the god’s dream. That is what this strength is for…
Nu: … who are ”you”?
Tsubaki: I must find Jin-niisama as fast as possible.
Hazama: Should we go and take a look, Terumi-san?
Mu: Could it be the works of Yuuki Terumi again…?
Makoto: It’s only that I want to protect Noel and Tsubaki…
Valkenhayn: I don’t mind of you think of me as a foolish servant. There is no way that I can’t not stop you.
Platinum: What is going on! Why is no one noticing us!?
Relius: … it seems like the accommodation towards the embryo is finished.
Izayoi: I… don’t want Jin-niisama to carry any more pain than what he already does.
Amane: I don’t plan to interfere any more than this. Now it’s the things that you should do.
Bullet: The time that have past can’t return. That is no longer a dream that can be fullfield.
Azrael: That’s right, we haven’t continued that from that time yet, have we.
Kagura: Don’t play dumb, and quietly put that rope on you… Grim Reaper
Kokonoe: Some kind of influence… is it/I being interfered?
Terumi: So you finally arrived to here. I’ve been really waiting for you, Hazama-chan.
Celica: Hmm… strange. I wonder if everyone have gone somewhere.
Lambda: … Kill Ragna… not allowed… Won’t allow Ragna to be killed.
Hibiki: There’s no need for Kagura-sama to come out.
Naoto: I’ll find it/her! Until then I won’t stop.

Reading this, it seems like almost everyone is back to their CT state. Not Celica(probably because she is a chronophantasma) and Platinum(dunno why)

off topic, but how do one make a box to hide text? i believe the old way doesn't work anymore.

Oh fuck me, everyone really has reset back to CT....except Mu strangely who seems to retain her knowledge of Terumi.

 

Speaking of, Hazama and Terumi are planning something....

[red13]

I translated it earlier in another place, but it's rough, very rough. It's difficult for me to translate when there's almost no context.If anyone sees a major mistake, please correct me.

Hidden Content

Reading this, it seems like almost everyone is back to their CT state. Not Celica(probably because she is a chronophantasma) and Platinum(dunno why)

off topic, but how do one make a box to hide text? i believe the old way doesn't work anymore.

it sames like characters like Celica and Naoto are not effect by this ?