A.B.A. vs Slayer

[Tage*Proto]

Sorry seth I didn't mean to make a new thread but I didn't see a ABA vs slayer for some reason lol. Anyway, for some fucking reason this match I can't ever get a better win percentage then like, 55%. I don't know what it is, but if I am not 100% on my spacing I lose bad. It seems really inconsistent to. Like, soemtimes normal mode is okay, and then soemtimes it's terrible I don't know what it is, any general tips against Slaydog?

[Zaido]

i would say bait his 1 hit moves with Danzai... and if you do a really low iad jH, it seems to work well since Slayer can't 2S it unless he reads you are going to do it and do it preemptive.. and if Slayer does 6P, i dunno if this will happen but i think ABA will just go over and still get the jH to hit? i dunno, i only fought ABA at school, and i only know what to do against ABA not the other way around... srry :V... But dmg output wise... she could do just about as much dmg to Slayer as well.. so... XD... i dunno if this is her move but was it f.S? or was it? 5H? where she uses the key head to do a poke... seems to be good...

[Ross]

she doesn't have alot of good ways to get slayer not to just backdash away alot. If he's careful and only uses quick moves he can just sit around and build meter and wait to DOT her. Not to mention that slayer's post knockdown mixup is strong, meaning you could very easily go from being in Moroha mode to normal abba off of one knockdown. Luckily Aba does alot of damage, so if slayer gets fresh you can easily put the fuck on him. I think her only problem is once slayer takes that big combo he may start to play safe and keep his distance and stick to "safe" stuff, giving aba a big challange. This is all from my experience as a slayer player against like 1 or 2 aba's

[Moroha]

Slayer vs. ABA is a smashmouth matchup that involves people getting hurt real bad. The good news is, this matchup favors ABA, because once she is in Moroha mode - and she will get there against Slayer - she has the edge on the neutral game. Slayer's 2S can have trouble with ABA's j.H if not positioned or timed just right. f.S crushes a lot of what he'll try to do, and deep 5H takes care of BD and Dandies. Do not fall back on Danzai against Slayer; use it sparingly. It definitely has its uses, as it beats his Dandy options and kills his Mappa/Mappa Feint throw attempts. Slayer's oki can be tricky and you do need to watch him carefully, but to be honest ABA's is scarier. =REACT= to 6K and throw attempts. Slayer doesn't really get to sit around and build meter in this matchup. When ABA is in Normal mode, he's probably trying to carefully pressure her, and when ABA is in Moroha mode, he has a lot on his plate. This is one of Slayer's few bad matchups, it's a matchup we will see a lot, and it's one that you should be familiar and comfortable with. If you can play cautiously, poke well, and understand Slayer's movement and shenanigans, you'll find it's actually a very winnable fight and frustrating for Slayer.

[rtl42]

Slayer's c.S can have trouble with ABA's j.H if not positioned or timed just right.

close slash, or crouching slash?

[Moroha]

fixT

[Tage*Proto]

Word, thanks guys.

[Josh Ballard]

I strongly disagree with the idea of ABA having better oki.

Anyone who thinks that likely hasn't played a Slayer who dashes back and forth on wakeup. He has access to 2K/6K/throw from either side and it's an extremely frustrating situation.

EDIT: Something else very important...

Do not 5H xx Bloodpack! He gets all sorts of free shit from it - sweep, Dead on Time, probably Big Bang Upper too if he's within range. 5H-Bloodball is good, though, and can give you the opportunity to bloodpack.

DOUBLE EDIT:

To expand on what Seth said about Danzai, Slayer can ALWAYS punish in between the two hits. His best options are as follows:

No tension: Dash forward through the 2nd hit then combo with 5H xx command grab, 2K-2D. 5H xx Pilebunker gives a few more points of guaranteed damage if he really needs it.

25% tension: Big Bang Upper. Can he not combo 5H-BBU? Keeps giving me dust.

50+% tension: Counter fucking hit Dead on Fucking Time. This is the most ridiculous thing - I don't know any Slayer combos and I could do over 300 damage + knockdown on ABA.