PozerWolf Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I think it's 6-4 in Jin's favor. Someone please disagree with me, and here is why I think so. Jin's frame traps might as well just be 'pressure' on Litchi because her normals are all so slow, it's almost impossible for her to punish anything. Hell, she has to IB Ice Ride in order to even get a decent punish off it. She has no real strong anti-air aside from her 2C (which has some akword range), so the Jin player can jump in on her all day without any worry. Even her uppercut can only save her so much, but it such a risky thing to use for an Anti-Air (not recommand). Jin's 5C would beat out anything she tries to poke with (and this is with the staff). Without the staff, I don't even think she stands a chance against Jin aside from getting some random mix-up on him and hope for the best. His 5D just out beat anything she can do on the ground, and when it comes to Air vs Air game, Jin has that covered too. Litchi air normals, as good as they are, they can easily be out ranged with jump B. So yeah, Jin's favor. Discuss!
shtkn Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I definately disagree about poking. Her 6B (with staff) out ranges your 5D and comes out quicker (3 frames quicker to be exact). I've never tried beating her pokes with 5C, but seeing as 5C has a lot of recovery, this strikes me as a risky move. Her air moves out range yours i'm pretty sure too. She can also do that 41236D special that turns her deployed staff into that whirlwind that's active even if litchi is hit if you try to attack her. I see this as litchi having a slight advantage in this matchup... maybe even 5-5, but definately not Jin having an advantage.
PozerWolf Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 I definately disagree about poking. Her 6B (with staff) out ranges your 5D and comes out quicker (3 frames quicker to be exact). Litchi has to be really cautios about poking with 6B, seeing as how he can easily mix things up with a run in 5C and straight up beat it. You just got to space 6B REALLY well, because it has some really bad recovery too (not so much for 5D). I've never tried beating her pokes with 5C, but seeing as 5C has a lot of recovery, this strikes me as a risky move. She has nothing fast enough to punish a 5C on re-action. She has a hard enough time punishing something like Ice Ride. More feedback please. I need to be proven otherwise before the end of this week! Also, the Litchi forum sucks, I think I'll get better feedback here.
kid viper Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Bah and now you agree that it isn't in litchi's favor. I still stand by this matchup being 5-5 because like I stated in the other thread it's a battle for who controls the corner
PozerWolf Posted May 7, 2009 Author Posted May 7, 2009 *snip* Wow, your retarded. I don't see how I'm trolling. GTFO. Bah and now you agree that it isn't in litchi's favor. I still stand by this matchup being 5-5 because like I stated in the other thread it's a battle for who controls the corner I'm not agreeing to anything, hence why I said "please someone disagree with me on this". It's not an actual statement coming from myself, but the match can be tricky (I guess). Also, "who controls the corner" is kind of retarded to say, but let's talk about it anyways. Like stated in my post, Jin has no trouble putting pressure on Litchi seeing as how her normals are so slow it's hard for her to punish anything Jin tries to do. This can say the same for corner pressure. And Litchi's corner pressure is tricky, but will end a lot sooner than Jin pressure seeing as how even the slighty gap, if Jin guesses right he can mash his way out of Litchi pressure no problem. This is something Litchi cannot do against Jin. Something a bit more helpful if anything can help out here. Would like feedback from both type of players if possible.
Jthan Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Bah and now you agree that it isn't in litchi's favor. I still stand by this matchup being 5-5 because like I stated in the other thread it's a battle for who controls the corner Its true litchi and jin both have good pressure in the corner, but that is true about most characters in almost any fighting game. I think that alone doesn't merrit a 5-5 match up. Getting to the corner is the focus of litchi's game, once you're there you can go on autopilot and just watch for uppercuts. It's that first part, getting to the corner, is where all the thinking is, and also where jin's advantages are. Wow, your retarded. You're. Watch yourself.
TheSlyMoogle Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Oh Pozerwolf... Drama Drama Drama. j/k I think it's probably a bit more in litchi's favor. maybe not 6-4, but perhaps 5.5-4.5. Mostly she has very good long range pokes that pretty much score her a combo from a counter-hit. During Jin's pressure she can easily DP out, now whether you bait that DP or not is something... The biggest problem with baiting her DP is it has to be done so smoothly you can actually punish her. If you're too far away when she does it you have to prepare to either counter hit her somehow, or avoid the stick when it falls. Kind of a shitty situation, where as Jin's DP when baited is easily punished for the most part, unless it's A DP, and even then you get fucked sometimes. Saying she has no anti-air or good air to air normals is Bullshit. Many a times has litchi beaten me with that fucking jumping legsplit shit air b and also air c. Fucking Chun li style. Be it air to air or ground to air bitch gets in sometimes with those. I feel like my jump normals never beat hers. Perhaps I'm just late on the quickdraw. As far as her normals go though she pretty much has to be pre-emptive with them. Luckily for her they have quite a few active frames. Which makes her a whore. At least getting her to do them gives you some time to get in on her. It's a hard fight for sure.
Kensou Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 5-5 even... neither char has any TRUE advantages that make the match anything but even. litchi works a bit like AC millia in the sense that everything leads to the corner for the most part. litchi relies on the corner game more so than anything else i think...however its not to say her mid screen game is totally shut down much less to the extent by jin. litchi's zone game is beyond stronger than jin, so she can keep her space and control the spacing FAR better than jin can in this matchup in particular. in turn, jin's rush game is a bit better than litchi due to the strings that jin can use vs litchi's limited strings during mantenbou. now of course litchi's strings are better in non mantenbou, but the problem is you need the staff in this particular match for reversal purposes. air to air, litchi has j.b which is a great tool regardless of air to air. also j.c which on counter has a ton of untechable frames allowing for litchi to capitalize and totally maximize dmg at that point. anti air j.a is another great tool she has, dmg may scale but dmg is dmg and as a litchi player *yes i play litchi ^_^* she needs it. on jin's end his j.b is just as good as litchi j.b air to air and cross up. *similar to litchi eh?* j.a is good for snuffing things out quickly from the air so its yet another good move. iunno i can go on and on but the bottom line is this thread is totally opinionated...and in my opinion it remains as i said above 5-5 even.
Jthan Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 on jin's end his j.b is just as good as litchi j.b how'd you come to that conclusion? edit: also, if we're going to compare litchi's 6B to jin's 5D.. -Litchi's 6B gets a free combo on counter hit only -Jin's 5D gets a freeze on any hit, not just counter -Litchi's 6B is skinny and can be jumped over. Jin can air dash over it Litchi eats another jump B -Jin's 5D is ZOMG HUGE ICE HEAD AND NOW YOU'RE FROZEN EVEN IF YOU WERE IN THE AIR AND ON THE OTHER FUCKING SIDE OF HIM. Also it's only punishable if INSTANT BLOCKED AND JIN DASH CANCELS. So even though litchi's 6B comes out a whopping 3 frames faster, Jin's 5D out does it in every other respect
TheSlyMoogle Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6607810 This video shows that obviously there is no way litchi can win in this fight. As we can see Litchi has nothing in this fight. I mean if this video isn't good enough I heard that a jin player beat the shit out of a litchi player in the finals at TX showdown. I mean that's just what I heard.
PozerWolf Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 I hate myself for making this topic. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6607810 This video shows that obviously there is no way litchi can win in this fight. As we can see Litchi has nothing in this fight. I mean if this video isn't good enough I heard that a jin player beat the shit out of a litchi player in the finals at TX showdown. I mean that's just what I heard. More vids, please! ;o
TheSlyMoogle Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 I hate myself for making this topic. More vids, please! ;o One successful troll deserves another See you in Austin next month.
Kensou Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6607810 This video shows that obviously there is no way litchi can win in this fight. As we can see Litchi has nothing in this fight. I mean if this video isn't good enough I heard that a jin player beat the shit out of a litchi player in the finals at TX showdown. I mean that's just what I heard. ouch
PozerWolf Posted May 8, 2009 Author Posted May 8, 2009 One successful troll deserves another See you in Austin next month. I actually don't understand why people came in here and troll and say I did >_> It's like, someone came and stole my car, and people we're going on saying that I was the one who stole my own car. *sigh*, I just thought I would be getting some useful info making this topic. THANKS FOR PROVING ME WRONG GUYS!! ;(
TheSlyMoogle Posted May 8, 2009 Posted May 8, 2009 I actually don't understand why people came in here and troll and say I did >_> It's like, someone came and stole my car, and people we're going on saying that I was the one who stole my own car. *sigh*, I just thought I would be getting some useful info making this topic. THANKS FOR PROVING ME WRONG GUYS!! ;( You did steal your car. You wanted the insurance money. Matlock already proved that.
QuickFast Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 I have trouble vs litchi. Her pokes are annoying as fuck. Any tips? Need to know how to play against this chick =l http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9iQ6VHaZI this video disappoints me <3buppa
ryokoalways Posted July 8, 2009 Posted July 8, 2009 Dealing with zoning simply takes experience. That's about it. It's rock/paper/scissors.
Killey Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Honestly, go read up Litchi's game in the Litchi forum half the battle is always knowing what the character is capable of. You need to know what options she has with and without the staff so you can understand what your opponent is likely to do and how to react accordingly. Buppa and Nisepachi made some errors in their plays leading to Litchi getting back into her groove and nail those counter hit combos that ultimately cost them the match. In a poking war Litchi with the staff has the advantage and trying to out poke with 5D is highly unsafe considering it's start up frames vs Litchi's 6C or jC. Granted, Manako is one of the better Litchi players and knows that her close game with staff is weak and was preventing the 2 from getting in close when possible and worst case scenario she DP her way out for free and punish with BnB leading into her mix ups. Nise Pachi made that error when he landeded a knock and ran towards her for oki. She DP'd Nise and punished for the victory. The worst part about fighting Litchi, imo, is her mix up game after she lands a BnB on you as you have no real safe options for recovery. Tech rolling will get you out in the right scenarios and as you saw in the video if they weren't in the corner they would eat the staff retrieval hit and then tech roll out. Litchi's mix up games after landing a BnB that forces you into the corner usually starts off by recalling her staff with D or Shishin. Tech rolling forwards/backwards in this scenario means you'll eat the hit and possible be relaunched into a new combo for 3k+ damage and even worse if you've bursted already. Netural teching is the preferred thing to do but still unfavorable as you are forced to block the staff and now are in a guessing game of hi/low/throw with Litchi. Barrier Guard appropriately and be ready to buffer in a throw tech. If you are able to guard appropiately it leaves Litchi open for punishment and you'll deal damage equal to what she dealt on you if not greater.
QuickFast Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 Okay I played a really really good Litchi player today. It's a very even match up. You just want to play it very safe (no random ice cars). The more risky thing to do is 2D but it works well if the Litchi is playing her poke game. Make sure you know she is not going to dash over or past it though, or you'll lose most of your health lol. She will look for your mistakes and punish you hard. I did good rounds on her by keeping pressure on her and mixing it up. You wanna capitalize on her wake up and predict well which way she will roll or how she will get up. When you have momentum on Litchi it goes your way pretty well. That's all I can say for now, hope it helps.
Darkhonor90 Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 Okay I played a really really good Litchi player today. It's a very even match up. You just want to play it very safe (no random ice cars). The more risky thing to do is 2D but it works well if the Litchi is playing her poke game. Make sure you know she is not going to dash over or past it though, or you'll lose most of your health lol. She will look for your mistakes and punish you hard. I did good rounds on her by keeping pressure on her and mixing it up. You wanna capitalize on her wake up and predict well which way she will roll or how she will get up. When you have momentum on Litchi it goes your way pretty well. That's all I can say for now, hope it helps. lololol That entire thing could be said about almost every character >_>
QuickFast Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 LOL i guess so huh. Didn't realize it. Maybe Jin's playing style is the same vs everyone o.O
Darkhonor90 Posted July 11, 2009 Posted July 11, 2009 LOL i guess so huh. Didn't realize it. Maybe Jin's playing style is the same vs everyone o.O No it changes alot just that paragraph was a very general statement. You need things more like specific pokes that work well in situations, what is usually safe and what isn't, and more situational things. Just in general when you give matchup advance it should really be information and ONLY play vs that matchup. Like his J.B beats her 3C or something like that. Things that only Litchi have that can't or will work against Jin.
InfiniteAmmo Posted July 13, 2009 Posted July 13, 2009 I'm usually detailed in explaining match ups, but honestly against litchi...when in question....214C ice ride that bitch, then frame trap her. Either stay on top or play keep away. Takes girls down like Litchi all the time.........
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