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youre going to have to get creative and find your own unique mixups. as it stands, elizabeth's pressure and mixup is weak. she strays away from the traditional high/low/left/right/throw mixup, and emphasises on fundamentals, particularly yomi. her best mixups right now would be 5d, frametraps, anti jumps, stuff like that. namely 5d. you really want the foe to fear (lol) her 5d so that they'll be more inclined to mash/jump/whatever at certain points in your pressure, and you can mercilessly tear into them if you didn't get hit.

ah, ok. thank you.

saya will be appropriately named 'justice' lol l cant wait to see her in game. so. amane. he's a zoner, right? does his drills work as space control? what l mean is do they stay out like testament's nets/naoto's green trap things, and then he pulls the foe into various drills around the screen so he can start pressure. l couldn't really understand what was going on in the vids tbh.

j.b crossover doesn't need to hit high as it is a left/right mixup. and, you can dash after the j.a, you just have to be on point. as for ex maragidyne, it's barely plus on block. really, after it you have another rps game. will the foe respect you? if so, start with a mixup, 2a into pressure, or command grab. will they dp? block and punish, or go for shuffle time vs ground dp's. 2c may work but the risk/reward here is pretty skewed. will they jump? yomi j.5d or bufu. there are multiple character specific answers that cannot be answered right now, but will definitely prove useful as we gain knowledge. for now, it's best to stick to the basics. never give up your advantage for the sake of baiting a dp or w/e, stand your ground and make as many educated guesses as possible

you can ask, as long as youre not expecting a huge amount of info until people get used to the game more. getting a conversation going in the MU threads is always a good thing.

your effort to upload these videos to youtube is much appreciated, my good sir.

l agree. l've resorted to j.a j.b dj.a j.b, j.c/c garu. its pretty reliable and with decent damage. garu ender gives good damage, and elizabeth can choose to position herself in various ranges depending on what the player is planning to do next. it doesn't knock down, the foe airtechs really close to the ground, theres probably some reset potential in this.

take a look at the wiki. her rushdown, without heat, is not safe. neither is her zoning. funny thing is she has the tools for every situation. therefore she's more of a stall/punish type who can be a momentum fiend. she hits hard, and her oki can be tricky to escape. very few. pretty sure it's between 1 and 6 frames (it feels like advance buffer is in p4). it's hard to do but there isnt really a trick to it, you have to find out exactly when to attack. shuffle time (hold 8) is great for finding out. once you find the timing you input 66areally fast (it's a microdash)

you should save your energy for when many of litchi's changes are found and confirmed. what youre doing now is speculating and you may find out the hard way that your efforts will likely have been wasted.

ground id naiads sounds ok. cant wait to see his new moves

so elizabeth has an instant overhead and l strongly believe it's universal... 2b OMC j.a land 5a... stuff. you need to be point blank, but that shouldnt be hard for her. you can also do 2b OMC land 2a stuff, and likely throw. for the IOH j.a has low hitstun so you have to be on point w/the land 5a

is bullet a beastkin or something. she looks like that squirrel, l forgot her name...

football frog combo will likely not work, or it will require 1-2 extra winds, if the higher ground bounce on j.2c makes it to the final build. alot of her combo routes may change completely.

staffless super, l wouldn't be surprised if it's a rushing reversal super like jam too. looks like we have a litchi faye kuradoberi now rather than a litchikune. l am sorta disappoint, l wanted to see another creepy blob of garbage and flesh. oh well. curious on this j2d and 4b. if 4b is another reference to jam in any way then im going to start calling her jam

no...no! n-no!!! please aksys dont make her legal! please!!!!!

richi is 63214, not 41236. they could be talking about followup hatsu/chun from haku, though richi b/c being removed is a possibility

multiple pumpkin-like cat bats? l wonder how they're going to makes these moves not-broken. what the hell is a cat bat anyway...

sounds wind related and gdlk. and theyre air accesible. cant wait to see this!!!!

@toasty l didnt see 236236 l read it as 632146d. yea duo bios is stll in. sorry if l gave you a scare lol. also, yes, relius' pressure was long and airtight but he doesn't have much to open the foe up. any good player would gladly ib, downback and watch for a throw/slow ass overhead.

so it looks like they took out duo bios, he now has la campanella, and unknown 41236 b. probably a command grab from the notation, it's stands out from his other specials so it has to be more uh... specialized. la campanella probably means ignis can possibly move away from relius for better positioning. it could be the 'ignis deploy' special rather than a teleport. this is all speculation btw

l've been hoping for 'weeping willow' since 2010

if theyre not blocking theyre dping, best save aoa for when you know the foe is too scared to press anything for at least a second. agi setups seem to fit this description well

you know, she might end up being nu tier. as in, dead. with an unlimited version! that seems likely.

wiki page for really easy searching. http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Elizabeth LOL @ her hitboxes. 5a is huge. 2b confirmed for rachel 6a tier. her hitboxes are pretty good at first glance.

l have $20 stickbug. do you mind housing me for the weekend? it's only me, no others coming with. no stowaways in my bag. im still pretty set on going, but now l have to see if l have to work sometime that weekend - l probably do. i'll try to request a day off if so. lf l cant go this time though theres always next year.