harmless kitten

Oh, ffff, I guess my brain didn't process that part. My bad, then. Though really, it's not like Ragna being halfvamp or not has had any affect on the plot, so. Yeah, puppet implies more that he's just a tool for someone rather than a full-fledged artificial human that's been grown in a vat or something. Idk, I guess we'll see when BB2 unless there's going to be some supplemental material that touches on the theory.

movin' from phase 0 thread 1. According to Rachel's short story she doesn't bite Ragna every loop, he's probably not half-vamp. But this is an ongoing debate so IDEK. 2. From zephyr07's True End translations: idk what he says in the eng version, YouTube isn't loading for me. :|

My reaction to this: ಠ_ಠ So, if Bloodedge was Ragna, then what was going on with Nu fusing with him? Did she just accidentally take Ragna's Azure Grimoire half instead of him? Not to mention in Hakumen's short story, the narrator seems to be Ragna, who has briefly awakened inside the Black Beast as it dies. Srsly now, Mori?

Why is the stick covering up her boobs. That's like putting a stick on Mu's ass or Makoto's tail.

Unless it's comparing them both to puddles. And I'd actually really like to see Relius do something to Arakune that has nothing to do with Litchi. Maybe he wants to make cute little Aradolls. Or capitalize on Kokonoe's success with Prettykunes. Or for a serious response, just tinker with Ara since he's very much a creature of the Boundary and that probably appeals to Relius' sense as a scientist if not as an artist.

Also yeah, tyvm, zeph! :D

Guys, if this turns into a pissing contest of LOL MY FAVORITE CHARACTER IS DEEPER THAN YOURS I will loathe all of you with with the power of ten million supernova suns. Hakumen says Rachel is much like himself and requires an observer. Bets on who her observer is, it can't be Takamagahara since they're kind of occupied.

Not quite, we don't know how Matenbou works. Might be a Boundary connection thing, it might just be a special property of the staff itself. Mori did say it was made from what we would call a "sacred tree." Likely, Litchi would just get weaker. Wait wut where was the Nox belonging to Tenjou mentioned? Did I miss something?

You are assuming that Carl is completely unbiased in this matter. Like as not, she was very caring, to him at least, but we know little else about Ada that didn't come from Carl's mouth, and I'm hesitant to trust his stance. And Nirvana sometimes randomly attacks people that pose no threat to Carl (Noel, for one). re: Saya: in bb, all sisters are ebil

I picture him as prettier than Jin, with black hair and dark eyes. And glasses, because everyone at Sector Seven wears glasses. Watch Arcsys never show what he looks like. Same with Hakumen's face, even if we actually know what he looks like under the mask! @ChrisX: Root for her anyway. I root for many horrible characters (shit, Jin is my favorite). Just because you like a character and want to see more of them does not necessarily mean you condone their actions.

Can we get off the morality topic? Just everyone agree to disagree and we can go back to speculating about crazy stuff.

Idk, Jin says he wants to save Tsubaki but I'm sure he'll put Ragna first. He basically states that he's going to use the power of order to save (read: put out of his misery) Ragna. I thought we had already established that on some level, BlazBlue characters are all horrible people?

This is sort of the wrong thread for questions, but Bloodedge was heavily implied (if not outright stated) to be the one to put the BB into a period of hibernation for a year. How is unknown, although he sacrificed himself to do so. Jubei considered him to be a true hero. He gave 'Edge's jacket and sword to Ragna. There's some more stuff from the beginning of Haku's story but I don't have access to my PS3 atm.

Yeah okay you're looking wayyyyyyyyy too much into things. The Crimson Grimoire is tuna. Though I'm sure it's delicious.

Good ol' Youtube, still around even 189 years later.

Thanks, I'm pretty crappy at noticing my own typos. You're welcome, I'm going to see if I can type up all the True Ends at least.

Relius didn't wound Jubei. Phantom did. Typed up Noel's true end, where Terumi mindrapes her. [Noel] *Pant* *Pant* [Hazama] Oh-HO! Interesting... I guess you've improved a little bit, haven't you Noel? [Noel] I heard enough from you! How dare you give Tsubaki such an order...! What exactly are you trying to do?! [Hazama] What am I trying to do? You'd really like to know, would you? Heh heh... Well, you stepped over the corpse of Lieutenant Garbage to get this far, so I'm guessing you won't go back without at least one answer, will you? [Noel] Terumi...! [Hazama] Why the hell not? I'll show you what despair looks like! Make sure you take a goooooooood long look with those beautiful eyes of yours. This'll be on the test! [Noel] Wh-What's going on...?! Just like with Carl and Tsubaki...! B-But...these feelings... I don't know why, but I can't stop trembling... Huh...! Wh-What's that?! [???] H-Help... [Noel] This...is...? Eh...? N-No...! [???] Somebody...! No...! [Noel] Stop...stop this... Somebody...Anybody... Please...help! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [Hazama] Hey there, kid! Welcome back. [Noel] ...Ah. ...Ah... [Hazama] Well, this is no good... I guess spending a hundred years staring at that thing'll mess you up good, huh? My congratulations. [Noel] ...Why? [Hazama] Oh, you're really gonna ask that? Seriously? Come ON! I thought that was obvious! I'm here to kill everyone! [Noel] ...Why? [Hazama] Here, why don't you try and remember... Remember all the bad things those mean humans did to you. [Noel] ...Why? [Hazama] Well, that one's easy! Because you're all creatures that are meant to be loathed! Hated! Despised! [Noel] ...Ah... [Hazama] You did see it, right? The real world--the real story?! Can't you hear it? All those hideous little filth-covered monsters, crying! You've gotta feel it... Every single soul on this planet wants. You. Dead. This world... This world's supposed to be dead. Dead! But somehow, we managed to screw with it so much that it's gotten stuck, and now it just repeats itself, again and again and again and again and again and again... [Noel] But...why...? [Hazama] ...You really wanna know? Fine. Once upon a time, mankind found the first gate. Being stupid humans, they decided to know what was on the other side, so they created what they called Boundary Interface Prime Field Devices. See, humans are such pussies that they can't survive on the other side, and their machines are just as pathetic. Of course, they failed. Over and over and over, until finally, somehow, one of these test subjects made it aaaaaaall the way to the deepest part of the Boundary... The heart of it, I guess you could say. The Azure. And when it did that...well. Let's just say shit got real. This thing--they call 'em "prime fields" when they're lazy--developed emotions. One of these puppets built for observation and research somehow grew a soul. 'Course, all the scientists thought they were goddamn geniuses making some kind of incredible breakthrough. I mean, they were, but not the one they thought. See, when it grew a soul, this prime field also developed the power of the Eye. And these scientists, they had no idea just what that meant. I mean, think about it! The Eye could observe anything it wanted, and whatever it observed was real! See?! Eh heh heh. See... Anyway, before long, the scientists figured this out, and being the small, shortsighted maggots that they were, they tried to destroy it. That didn't work so well, so they decided to seal it back into the Boundary. They threw it all the way to the bottom, down in the darkness, where there was nothing. But hey! You know this isn't the end! Anybody does! I mean, once humans gotta taste of that power, the kind of power only a GOD should have... Well. The idiots decided it would be a good idea if they could really tap into the power of the Azure. Might give them a leg up on the battlefield, you know? So they built more prime field devices. But you see, these weren't just recon tools anymore. Ooooooh no! These were balls-out weapons of mass destruction! The moment one of these babies popped outta the cauldron, the humans would just seal away its emotion, turning it into a slave. A puppet. [Noel] ... [Hazama] Still paying attention? Looks kinda empty in there, to be honest. Anyway, this is where it gets interesting. Well...hmm. I dunno. Maybe if you find tragedies interesting? The things were treated like tools--well, no, "weapons" is better. Like, you know, a hand grenade or a bomb or something. [Noel] ...Just...stop...it... [Hazama] Man, you know, I'm actually getting tired of talking. Guess that's what happens when you make your body do stuff it's not used to, huh? So, you wanna hear more? There's a lot more, you know. You wanna hear it? Do ya? [Noel] No...no more...please...stop! [Hazama] Yes, please, Mr. Hazama? Well, if you ask so nicely, of course I'll tell you! You see, the tools--these puppets--I've been telling you about, they're your REAL brothers and sisters! Hahahaha... Noel--aw, what am I saying? That's not your real name. So, "Noel," what does all of that make YOU? [Noel] Stop it... A black light begins to shine from Bolverk. [Hazama] Ahahahahahaha! So you've been in denial this WHOLE TIME?! Well, yeah, of course. I guess you would be. I mean, anybody in your situation would do the same, right? Still, this is something you're gonna have to live with, you know? You gotta learn to accept it. You gotta learn to be you! [Noel] Stop it...stop stop STOP! [Hazama] You're... [Noel] Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! [Hazama] You aren't a person! You were BUILT! You're just a tool! A puppet! A joke! Who the hell do you think you're fooling with your little act? Well, yourself, maybe, but hell. Can't even do that, now! You're a puppet, girl! Just like that sad sack of crap we all took turns pounding on a while back! Please tell me if you see any typos.

Was it? AFAIK, it was only confirmed he inhabited before Jin, not that he was the original or even that he became/was made into the Susano'o Unit before ripping himself out. Or his spirit. Eh.

Just as a note, Noel not surviving to meet Jin in Hakumen's timeline was minorly hinted in her CT arcade. He questions her existence and says he doesn't "know" her. I'm wondering two things: whether Saya is Take-Mikazuchi's (death satellite) owner, not the Library (one of the scientists during CT's intro is like the Library can't have this power!), and whether Terumi was originally created as a prime field. The memories Noel observed were his memories of him and other prime fields being experimented upon, much like Lambda was, and it's why his portrait is less gleeful and more crazy and pained when he starts telling Noel about them. It also adds a very nice irony to him mindraping Noel to turn her into a Murakumo Unit. But this one is pretty cracky and out there, I admit, and I don't expect it to be true. edit: Or hell, he might have been the original Susano'o Unit. Amaterasu is heavily implied to have been a prime field that contacted the Azure, why not Susano'o?

Getting Tsubaki's bad end is strange. I AFed Carl, beat Jin normally, beat Noel normally...didn't work. Tried again, AFed Carl and Noel...still no bad end. Now I was pretty annoyed, but I finally AFed all three and got the bad ending. Weird.

If those souls are carried over that's a lot. Iirc, the Beast killed roughly half of the world's population at the time, although there's no telling whether it ate all of them (doubtful, imo). What's really funny if that theory is true, then the Black Beast, with Ragna's soul sleeping inside it, ate Bloodedge, who is a previous incarnation of Ragna. So that means Ragna is eating....Ragna. (That's about the truest definition of cannibalism I've ever seen.) Maybe that's what put the Beast in a period of inactivity for a while, the whole ERROR ERROR DOES NOT COMPUTE same soul crap. I thought the "I don't know whose soul dwells within me" (dunno the actual line) was more metaphor than anything else, but who knows? And anybody willing to bet that the three siblings were originally created as prime fields? For some reason I like considering them Zeta, Eta, and Theta, even though that leaves a gap for Iota and Kappa...

I assumed Ragna is the reincarnation of Bloodedge. Plus, Platinum THE TRINITY has Trinity's soul...(in her weapon, yes, but it's technically still there) Ragna THE BLOODEDGE has Bloodedge's...? Also, is anybody else getting vibes that the Azure is the source of all souls or something? Especially how Terumi is like yeah I created the Azure Grimoire to gather the energy of the Azure (paraphrased, okay) and forge the sword that could kill Amaterasu. But the Azure Grimoire gathers souls. Thus, souls = foundational energy of the Azure? Oh yeah, and the prime fields only gained souls after contacting the Azure.

That's it. The last list was Jin's top Jin Kisaragi x Ragna the Bloodedge moments, or rather Jin's top "Ragna getting pissed off" moments. It makes more sense than Ragna's joke end at least.

Kokonoe finally gets her wish and turns him into Silver Mecha Hakumen. Few random tidbits: Beastman seems to have been changed to more gender-neutral beastkin (unless it's specifically referring to a male Beastkin, maybe?), Makoto is the daughter of a half-squirrel beastkin. Hakumen claims Phantom uses sorcery in Noel's bad end. Tsubaki had some previous siblings but because of all the inbreeding they didn't live long. Tsubaki is an only child because she's the only one who survived.

Naw, it's alright, it just kind of bugs me when people confuse the Red Queen and the Queen of Hearts. lol Jubei as the March Hare. "Eh? I thought the March Hare was a....hare. Not a cat." "There was a bit a' mix-up."