LunaKage

24 frames is faster than 1 second yes, but I'm still pretty sure its one of the slowest in the game, even I can react to it, and I'm American. The point I was making, is that its just as risky as everything else she has to do, because its only good if it hits, on block it leaves me just as fucked as anything else I can do.

Exactly Noel's greatest Mix-up outside of drive is: 6B for an overhead 2B or 3C for a low. I use 2B all the time so that's not suspect here. 6B is one of the slowest overheads in the game, the only ones that are slower are Rachels and I think Arakune's, I get poked out of my overhead so often its insane, and the only time it works on people are if they are free(Katz, Lumin) or if it is netplay(Katz, Everybody else). 3C if blocked is punishable as hell. Now, lets assume that my opponent didn't poke out, but instead blocked my overhead, what are my options? 3C Drive OH WELL LOOK WHAT WE HAVE HERE! no safe options after a blocked overhead, I can't 6B > 3C > jump cancel like Ragna can, I can't continue pressure, I can only get fucked.

It's not the same Katz, you're still talking like I pressure with Drive, whenever I push the D button I'm not trying to catch your pressure or mix you up. If I D during a blockstring, its to catch you trying to poke me out of pressure, which is easy as fuck to do, unlike every other character who can punish an attempted "poke out" by using a normal, I have to use a drive. Noel Vs. Hazama: Noel has Hazama in a pressure string. lets say: 5A > 2B > Dash in > 5A > 5A > 2B, do this enough times and the Hazama will notice when you dash in, so he tries to 2A out of your next dash, but you anticipate this, so you use Noel's 2D, in hopes the Hazama did try to 2A out of your pressure, if he did, you get a free combo, if he didn't you're fucked.

Thank you. I've tried every approach, but every strategy Noel has relies on her drives, I'd love to explain, but I feel that all I would get in return is more trolling. Still <3 you guys though.

Exactly.

Reasons I use D: 1. Use in combos. 2. Go through your shit. 3. Cross up with 2D. 4. Throw bait with 2D(Counts as going through your shit). 5. Catch you jumping out with 2D. If I am using Drive while you are blocking, its only because I wanted to go through something I thought you were going to throw out, yet I guess wrong and instead I have to do something to get me out of trouble, which is impossible if you have a DP and use it right after blocking my first drive move.

Only if I think you are stupid enough to let me do it.

Derp, I don't pressure with Drive. I try to go through your shit with it.

lol everyone knows I'm a lolicon. You however... like to cuddle.

So he admits it.

lol

I don't pressure with drive, I try to go through your shit with it, if you don't get hit with the first drive attack my only option is to do other drive stuff, or risk a -34 recovery time. If I'm patient with him, I get cursed, and if I don't die, I lose to time-out. Arakune may need to come down eventually, but he never needs to get close, I NEED TO HIT HIM TO WIN.

Noel's CS2 Changes List Buffs: + "5A > 6A > 6C > Astral Heat" and "5D > 6A > 6C > Astral Heat" are possible. (Was possible in CS1) + If you RC her back throw, you should be able to follow it up with j.D (Was possible in CS1) The last hit's (of Fenrir) minimum damage should be 1000. (Was 440 in CS1) + Bullet Rain > Fenrir deals around 3300. (200 more damage than CS1) + j.4D is faster, hits low. + Optic Barrel has less startup frames + "5B > 2B" works. + "2C > 5C" works. + 6A hits crouching opponents. + 5B has a bigger hitbox (?). + j.B and j.C both with bigger hitbox. + d.6A is FC now, less prorate. + d.5C is faster, does not jump cancel. + 6C has a bigger hitbox (?). + 4D has bigger stagger time; "4D > 6A" is possible. + Assault Through has a bigger vertical hitbox. + 22C (1 hit) and 22B can be followed-up with a lot of stuff. + 5C > 6B Gatling added. Nerfs: - Her 5A and 5B can't hit Makoto's 3C. (Same as in CS1) - Fenrir's damage with 18 successful hits is around 2700. (100 damage less than CS1) - Assault Through's travelled distance has been reduced. - Bullet Rain causes less damage. - Revolver Blast causes less damage. - 5D is slower. - Spring Raid can only be followed up in corner. Neutral: o Her throw's recovery has been increased? You can follow-up her throw with Haida, but the timing is a little weird. o You can deal about 6100 damage off 4D FC in corner. (Was possible in CS1, just a little difficult) o Bloom Trigger has sliding property. o The opponent flies higher when hit by 22C, does have Dash Cancel, it could have same move proration. o "d.6B" causes wallbounce if the opponent is hit while in the air. o 6C's second hit can be followed up in the corner; has same move proration. o 2D may still be causing cross ups. Credit goes to: HiagoX for translating. ALL OF THESE CHANGES ARE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE AND MAY CHANGE AS NEW INFORMATION IS PRESENTED. I also added some notes in ( ) to signify my justification for putting them in their respective places, again, as new information has been presented or as old information has been corrected/elaborated upon, this post's info may change.

Dumb. Noel has no solid anti-air, loses to Ara's j.B for free. Noel can't catch Ara's that stay airborne. Optic barrel loses to Ara's j.D When Noel gets close enough to him to land a poke, the Clouds build curse before they go away, even if she hit him before the clouds touched her. Drive? LOL BACKDASH! SET UP A CLOUD A PARTYBUG AND STILL HAVE TIME TO PUNISH WITH D!

BROKEN ASS EASY AS HELL COMBOS! <3

Burn. Also Skye, I feel you for hating Jin's hitbox, it actually takes effort to abuse Arakune's broken ass combo on Jin.

Its actually been consistently 6 days. Thread 8 - Made Thanksgiving Thursday. Thread 9 - Made The Wednesday I had casuals. Thread 10 - Made Tuesday.

I usually go with Jin, his hitbox is perfectly average, he can be haida looped and everything.

This coming from a guy who... Meh nevermind, you know what I was going to say.

There is no such thing as "Air tight" when playing Noel. Everything is risk/reward.

Video looked pretty legit. EDIT: The one before this one, not the president one.

Sounds good to me.

Nu is cute in a "Doesn't know any better" way. Lambda is cute in a "OH MY GOD I WANT TO TEACH HER THE WORLD AND KEEP HER SAFE FROM BAD INFLUENCES WHILE I BONE HER" kind of way.

I actually have a question myself: I fought Axis offline at my place not too long ago, he plays Tager. I tried 5A > 2D(cross-up) on him about 3 times, everytime it was blocked. I'm wondering, does that particular way of crossing up work on Tager? Or is Axis just that gdlk that he can block the cross up on reaction? Also just for clarification, I did land on the other side of him every time. Another point of interest is that I've had a couple of Noels try the cross up on me, and I auto blocked it, without having to switch my blocking for the cross up. So... what the eff?

Arabrokune and Brokenhayne. Good choice.