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Are all of those new? Also: Not very proficient in Hakumen, so not sure about these being buffs or nerfs. If someone could fill me in that would be good.

All of the old changes from earlier location tests apply unless otherwise stated. Added into the first post. V done, thanks.

tvc alex as a better addition

Not even almost.

Anything to comment on w/r/t these Rachel changes, Hiago?

There's some videos here from the second location test, but that's all. No videos have surfaced from the current loketest just yet.

alex

No legitimate translation for this yet? Seems like we can infer what it means, but I'd like to be sure.

I'm kind of imagining Roll from TvC's airdash, but without the initial delay that Roll's had.

No no, that's there. You were probably looking where I slipped up and added a second Valk section. Looks like we're both still tired. (´ー`) fucking beautiful

Ahaha, yeah, I just caught that. Just woke up, so forgive me for that one. ┐(￣ー￣)┌

Good morning everyone. Updated the first post to reflect the changes, though if I've incorrectly labeled certain nerfs/buffs feel free to point it out to me.

Jin's 2C being faster is delicious. Updated with everything, thus I am going to bed too. Hoping for some videos in the morning. (´∀｀ )

Don't play Carl, so someone will have to tell me if * Brio's knockback trajectory travels farther. and * Throw damage is 600. Throw > Fermata damage is 1700. are buffs or nerfs. (´ ー｀)

Alright. My second edit was kind of close to what you edited it too, but gotcha.

NO COMPLAINING. NO ASKING "WHERE IS X CHAR'S CHANGES?". NO TALKING ABOUT "X CHARACTER WILL BE Y TIER NOW!". Seems like we'll have Ushidonburi to rely on again, in his latest tweet he mentions he's the first to arrive at Mizo no Kuchi. All earlier location test changes apply unless otherwise stated. System/Misc. Changes and Info: * New mechanic: Corner Bound. Red effect appears when they hit the corner, they fall down like they got hit with a knockdown. Most interesting property is the untechable time buff, most of the moves that corner bounce are untechable in air. * System announcer changed again evidently even worse w/r/t engrish. * New opening theme (watch here) * All characters' Counter Assaults have a gap added into them, making them hard to use. * Instant Block: down to 2-3 frames less of recovery instead of 5. * Meter increase penalty time increased, in other words, you get back meter much slower after you cause meter actions * There is a single player mode called "Unlimited Wars", its pretty much the score attack mode but all your opponents are unlimited characters Ragna * BE's hitstop has changed * increase in 6C's attack level(?) * Yami ni Kuwarero's damage is guaranteed to be at least 1500. + ID 2nd follow up straight punch corner bounds. + Forward throw corner bounds. + 623C>236C follow up 236C does not cause a big wall bounce which make you will be able to combo after you land + 5B>3C>623C>236C>236C>land 2C>5D works + 22C does 600 damage + 6A faster, 5A 6B(maybe he means A) works on airborne opponent. + Carnage Scissors's damage has been increased (200, 800 damage is guaranteed, at the very least) - Madao has no +f (can still manage to stuff mashing, but hard). - 22C not very profitable to use in general - 6A cannot gatling into anything anymore - Berial Edge's angle has changed; harder to combo. - j.D has more proration. Jin * No confirmed corner bounds. * Apparently some badass named Tetsu is in the middle of a 40-win streak using this character. Jin seems very strong. + 2D starts up faster. + Yukikaze now does 3080 damage + 2D is slightly faster than previous loketests + j.B seems to be bit faster than CS, but slower than CT + 6A breaks primer and is advantage on block. maybe about +5? + His jump's startup is 4F now. - 623D has more proration. - throw is not cancellable anymore, but you can combo with dash 6C and does something around 2000 - 623D seems to have the same move proration, combos with 2 623D's involved pretty much don't work anymore Noel + 6C corner bounds. + 5C > 6B Gatling added + Bloom Trigger has wall bound; if they don't make it to the wall, it ground slides. - cannot cancel from her throw - Noel's hitbox during 2D is bigger. Rachel * Ground throw may corner bound. + Overall damage has increased compared to CS (It's weaker than last loketest) + New gatling: 5B > 2B (Looping it is impossible) + George now keeps walking after its target for more time and its attack's hitbox is larger. - j.2C is not jump cancellable anymore. - Actually harder to get damage now with the 5CC change. - George has less life. - j2C Lv2 bounces higher. Taokaka * 6C may corner bound. + 5C attack level increased, 5C CH -> 6C combos. + 5CH > 6C works + Her j.B was mid in the previous loketests, now its first hit is an overhead. - Her taunt proration decreased to 40%. (needs clarification) - 3C can only be cancelled with distortion drive (confirmation from previous loketest) - 3C techable (maybe?). - all DE moves have same-move proration Hakumen * No confirmed corner bounds. * Forward throw causes slide effect. * All D moves: you get the 1 orb meter once you counter, but it doesn’t apply if you counter projectiles. * 5C: has more horizontal reach. has more proration * 5C: Faster startup now. has more proration now. 5C > Enma Combo does 3100 – 3200 damage. * 5A: has more proration now, 5A > 5B now connects. 5A > 5B > Enma > J2C > 2C > J2A > J2A > JC (I’ll call this Enma Combo) does about 2000 damage * J2A: has more proration, but not just like.. more general proration or initial proration. Maybe added a special property. * Renka: 2nd hit does wall-bounce once hit. 120% proration of the 1st hit is gone. * Enma (623A - A): you can still do CS Enma combo. has more proration now. * Renka: (at the corner) Renka > 5B > J2A > J2C > 2C > J2A > J2A > JC does 3052 dmg. (at the corner) Renka > Zantetsu > 2C > J2A > blah blah does 4700 – 4900 dmg. * Hotaru: kicks you to the wall with 45 degree and wall bounce. You can follow with 6C. At the corner you can do followup combo with full charge 6C. Near corner you can do Hotaru > 6C > 2C. (at near corner) Hotaru > 6C (full charge) > 5C > Gurren > 2C > blah blah does about 4700 – 4900 damage. * Tsubaki: (at the corner) Tsubaki > 3C damage is about 2700. At near corner, Hotaku > Tsubaki combo lets you slide down to the middle of the screen. Tsubaki > Shippu (shockwave) combo works, damage is about 3334. (near corner) Tubaki > 2C > J2A > J2C > 2C > J2A > J2A > Jc > 5C > 3C does about 4600 dmg. + J2C: has faster startup now. + 4C: now cancellable to special moves. not sure about the proration at this moment. + Tsubaki: Slide down no matter of air or ground hit. you can do followup combo at the corner. + Hotaru: looks like you can combo into Enma after this hits. (not confirmed) + 5A j2A connects (j2A faster?). + jA JB chain added. + 5D comboable on some characters. + 5B: has more proration now. 5B (counter hit) > 5B works now. 5B > Enma Combo does about 2300 – 2400 damage + 2C: has better hit box (idk if that’s horizontal or vertical) 2C> Enma Combo does 2700 – 2800 damage + JC: You can combo into 5C or 6C once corner hit. + JA: Now chains to JB + J2C: Faster startup now. has a lot less proration now. J2C > 5C > Enma Combo does 3200 - 3250 damage. + 4C: Faster startup now. Air unblockable now. 4C > Enma Combo does about 2230 ~ 2300 dmg. + 6C: Faster startup now. Slides down on air hit. You can do follow up combo at the corner. Whatever wall bounce move > 6C is now more stable. + 5D: can combo into 2B. 5D > 2B > gurren > step 5A > JA > JB > J2A > JC does about 2100 dmg. + j2A has more untech frames. - jC has less untech frames. - 2A: 2A > 5B doesn’t connect anymore - 3C techable. Only comboable on CH. - 6A: moves slightly less forward than CS - 6B: Damage is decreased (749 4th locke -> 710 now) - 3C: has more recovery now. 3C - 2B works only after counter hit. - JC: slightly more recovery - 5D: damage is decreased to 1400, fewer active frames. gain 1 orb meter once you successfully counter. - 623A: moves less now. cancellable to other specials now - 6D: damage is 1600 now. Can’t do any followup combo. - JD: Can’t do any followup combo - Forward/Back Throw: you can do followup combo only at the corner. - 6C has same move proration. - 4C CH does not stagger anymore. Carl * Brio's knockback trajectory travels farther. + Brio corner bounds. + jC knocks down. + Anima has armour, launches very high. + Volante has multi-hit armour for projectiles. + Cantata is quicker. + NEE-SAN~ moves faster. + 3C CH knocks down, foot attribute added. + 6A seems like it got an invincible period. + 5B seems stronger for some reason. + B Vivace is pretty much completely invincible except for throws now + opponent cannot air tech after being hit by Cantabile + Brio wallbounces in corner, untech time after being wallbounced increased + Brio is back to being completely unblockable in air + 8D's first hit has positive proration. - Throw damage is 600. Throw > Fermata damage is 1700. - Volante has same move penalty. - j.B is no longer a fatal counter - Overall damage has been drastically reduced. - 3C retains CS version's float property, but is also ground-techable. - A-Vivace's invincibility frames are gone. - Cantata's startup is slower, can't be used as a reversal anymore. (Around 10F for the flash, and 1F startup after it [?]) - j.C > j.B gatling has been removed. - jC > j.2C gatling has been removed. - 2D's positive proration has been removed. Litchi * The midscreen combo is jBCB land jBCB 6C 421D jB etc. You can go into it from Chun, so it's easy and dangerous enough. + JC CH corner bounds. + Staffless jB has more untech time, otherwise staffless Litchi didn't change much. + 4D slide down>release D>dash JB~ combos + you can combo ittsuu after throw, and you can follow up with CS combo afterward + 6D knocks opponent back, has wall bounce + 2C CH launches opponent high. Itsuu possible afterwards. + Chun has more untech time? + 6B has longer hitstop on guard for some bizarre reason, wall bounces airborne opponents even on normal hit. + Forward throw causes spin-down stagger + 6D wallslams/bounces only on airborne opponents. + 6D[m] on aerial hit makes opponent fly straight (?), causes wallbounce in corner + 6B[m] on aerial hit causes wallbounce. Return possible (followup possible?) + 6B[m]'s hitstop on guard is large. Heavy. + CH 6B[m] causes wallbounce (doesn't matter if aerial, needs verification) - On normal hit, All Green has less untechable time when opponent is hit in the air. - (something about 6A being able to inflict both stagger and bend-back state? person calls it a nerf although it could be a buff) - Staff 6B and j.C both knock opponent back but do not wall bounce. - Staffless j.C is ground techable. - Tsubame Gaeshi's descent is faster. Cannot follow up with 6C. Bang * 5A is still good + Fire punch(?) corner bounds. - Daifunka's recovery is longer, can no longer be followed up. - jD has more proration (from BBCS, less from the previous loketests). Lambda * Zwei Blade (236B) startup has returned to CS version. + Ground throw corner bounds. + jDD knocks down airborne opponent. Techable. + Calamity bounces on FC, can combo without meter. + Sickle will bounce aerial opponent multiple times, red-beats. Beats out jumps. + Follow up Ds to 5D and 4D(5DD and 4DD) have more untech time resulting in 5DD>4DD being able to combo mid-air opponents. Longer untech time also means it's easier to combo into 236C on air born opponents from a 4DD. - 4B's first hit has enormous hit stop. Way more time to reposition yourself. - after 214D normal hit, you can't combo with 5D, you can do dash 5B so it requires more reaction skill - no invincibility for gravity move Mu + Furu no Tsurugi corner bounds. + 3C now jump cancelable, even on block + seems like D moves got some guaranteed frames + j.2C is once again untechable. + 5C and 2C's startups are faster. - 3C is techable again - 6A has shorter untechable time - J2C does not cause the knockdown, you need to RC to do the follow up combo - Stein Gunner's lasers take longer to fire. - Stein Gunner's charged laser does not break Guard Primers any longer. Arakune * No confirmed corner bounces. * Zero Vector lasts for about 6 seconds on the timer. * curse combo still does 8000+ damage * 6D is positioned slightly farther away. + j.6[A/B/C] has been returned to BBCS version. + f.g can used in combo to recurse opponent + mist is faster, but lasts shorter + 5A > 2A > 2A > 5A gatling added + Bird jump cancels (probably 6A/B/C) went back to CS1 in loketest + 5D air unblockable? (needs verification) - slight increase in startup time before a warp. - 6D falls faster. - jB's attack level reduced Tager * No confirmed corner bounces. * Appears ridiculously strong, according to information from Yuumura-sensei. Charged 6A is surprisingly useful. + 22D does 100 damage + 2C>3C added + B-Tager Buster connects with more characters. Rachel eats 4800 from a B-Buster and gives Tager oki, but was it like this in CS already? I saw Arakune picked up with Gadget Finger after B-Buster. + Backthrow launches opponent straight upward, easier to follow up after. + 3C recovery reduced. + j.2C CH causes knockdown, made slower, easier to follow up after. + Sledge followup has superarmor halfway through. + Can easily sneak 720 from 421B (lit. charge cancel) - 2C > 4D gatling removed - j.D magnetism pull weaker - no follow up combo from regular throw Hazama * Jyabaki might corner bounce. * Misc: you can now do 5A (anti air) > 5C > 4D combo again. Can’t do 5A > 5C > 4DA > 4DD. 5B is new counter-assault motion. * 236236B: proration is increased. Repeat proration is added. *Rumor: Somebody said its invincibility frame is all gone so IB > Jayoku is nearly impossible now but very possibly it's not true. * 6A: knocks down on hit * 6C: knocks down on air hit. No change on ground hit. Once air hit, knife binds you to the ground for certain frames. (way more fancier than Bang’s nails maybe?) * 214DC: Effect on hit is now similar to CS. Only difference is an opponent is spinning at air once hit. + jyabaki causes the wall bounce when hit on air + thus, 3C>jyabaki>5C works in corner + mid screen combos are pretty much 3C>214DA or Jyayoku>214DC>6C>dash2B + A-follow-up recovery has been shortened, easier to use + Ouroboros recovers faster compared to the location tests, but still slower than CS. + Counter-Assault's animation is now 5B. + 5B: Attack lvl decreased. Looks like either - 2 or - 3 on block. Now Air Unblockable + 5C: Now Air unblockable + Forward Throw: Damage is increased to 1800. (WTF?) Now air untechable. It connects to DDs only (sounds like you can combo into 632146C too). Forward Throw > Jayoku now works at the field too. + Back Throw: Damage is increased to 1800. You can do followup combo with J6D to all characters. + Air Throw: Ground bounce on hit. You don’t need J2D to do the follow up combo. + 236D: Slides down on hit. Wall bounce at the corner. + 236C: you get 5% of meter gauge once hit - attack level of chain moves decreased - DOES NOT get back stocks when opponents blocked chain - chain faints have shorter stun time, faster - All D moves: Damage is decreased. Damage proration is increased. Startup is faster now. Hit-stun is still a lot less than CS. DA cancel is still faster than CS. 4DA > 4DD is still possible with very strict timing. No Ouroboros gauge back on block. You require more time to get the gauge back automatically. - 3C: 214DC only connects on counter hit. You have no way to connect lvl 2 214DC - JA: not jump cancellable anymore - JC: Only first 2 hits are jump cancellable. - 214DA: you can’t do any followup combo with lvl 1 hit. Knocks down on air hit. - 623D: You have now less time to do followup combo after this hits. Not sure the reason (maybe because more recovery?) - Ouroboros has same-move proration. Tsubaki * D [wind? wings?] corner bounces. + 5B is stronger, can be used as anti air. + 22C > 214D is possible. + j214 bounces off opponent on block, harder to be counterattacked. + 6A has less proration. + Her CA motion was changed to "Wind" (Wasn't that 22A/B/C/D?) + 214A/B/C/D has upper body invincibility. + If a special move is blocked, she can cancel it into a D special move. + j.236A/B/C/D (Light) can be used as cross-up. - 2C has less upper-body invincibility. You can get hit out of it before it even comes out. Still a strong move. - j214D is mid, was high in previous loketest. - j.D's charging speed is the same as it was in CS1. - Tsubasa follow-up has a sharp angle, difficult to hit with. - D-wings knocks opponent directly down for a slide down, but D-Hikari won't hit some characters. - 3CC can float opponents high, but cannot be followed up if Tsubaki has no gauge. - 236236D does not have invencibility anymore. You lose your charge gauge even if you are hit before hitting the opponent. Makoto + Shooting Star corner bounds. + 2A hits Tao's crawl. + 214A~B recovery reduced. + 2B>5B gattling added (cannot reinput 2B) + opponent cannot tech in air after getting hit by dempsey roll + Comet followups go further for lvl 3s. - j.2C's level has been reduced. Still a strong move though. - Makoto's Big Bang Smash startup is slower. Still a strong move. Valkenhayn * 6C corner bounces. + 6A CH unairtechable. + j.C's attack level didn't change, but the way it knockbacks changed. Easy to combo with. - Nacht Rozen no longer an overhead - Throw > 2C no longer possible - big nerf in combo damage, avg. 3k damage now - 2C may have lost upper body invincibility. - Wolf change cancel slower recovery. Harder to mixup with Nacht Jäger because of this. Platinum * Ground throw corner bounces. * Appears mostly unchanged since last location test. * Has 5 Guard Primers * Air dash animation is Platinum riding her staff like Cardcaptor Sakura. Hang time on the air dash is long. If she and another character air dash and attack at the same time, it might be possible for her opponent to hit her afterward before she lands. + Dash is pretty far. - Either j2C or Frying Pan has more proration.

Neither do I, but since there's still another location test, and her official release in which anything can change, everything and nothing at this point is 'iffy'. So long as everything is corrected in due time, and everyone understands that none of this is concrete, it'll all be fine. Working on special moves now. Edit: From the 5th Loketest: Edited the Platinum Data page to include this information.

Aaaaand I've updated this for the last time tonight (morning, it's 56am when did that happen) and I am going to bed. Again, if you want to save me some time, or figure something I wrote is incorrect, you can comment on that page with whatever I'm missing/mistaken about and I'll add it. Doesn't say much at all. Firstly, she's doing a special move(Swallow Moon?) early in that combo, which could have easily racked the damage up quickly. If you do 5C 2C 623B with Jin that would easily be similar damage.

someone play me in toho

Right, right. Forgot about that one, thanks. You can also comment on the page if I've forgotten something. Updated the page to look a lot nicer, and all the normals are up there. Starting special moves, and have some misc junk.

Just noticed this while updating, Platinum's bomb goes through Hazama's chain and still explodes in this video. I've also enabled comments in that post, so if anyone finds anything I didn't, you can tell me there.

Yes, it would be nice for it to be organized, and having the time now to do just that makes this seem ideal, but I imagine the situation panning out like this: Someone makes a topic in the newly appointed Platinum forums, and that person (or the mod) continues to update the first post of that topic as more people post with their findings etc. Having multiple topics for her doesn't seem as efficient as one topic, one long OP, possibly sections broken up by quotes. Not only do I have no problem doing this myself; I was planning on it. I plan to sink a decent amount of time into it. And since EVERYONE IN HERE seems to want to do the same thing, that isn't very organized, is it? Structured organizing is fine, but haphazard organizing where everyone says "I want to do this!" and "I'll do that!" and "Maybe I can do this?" isn't really what we need. In fact, since everyone is so eager about it, I'll start something myself. Wait momentarily, and I'll have it ready. Edit: And here we are! I'm going to start filling this page for information that we know currently. Once we have any details on things we don't know, or misinformation is corrected, I'll update it accordingly. Yes, it is empty. Because I just made it.

Right, right. Like I said, I don't really have anything in particular that I was initially planning on writing about. I suppose I was going to start with her normals, then her special moves, then her distortions, and lastly her drive, since it seems to be the most in-depth attribute to her. After that, if no one else has touched up on them, her combos, mixup game, crossups etc etc etc really just whatever sticks out. And of course, would continue on about this for however long. If I see someone has written something before me, then I would simply look for something else. You know, casual fair.. right?

If you want to look at it that way sanct, that's fine. Having someone in charge of the whole thing might be more organized, but I don't really feel right 'nominating' myself. Plus, I kind of feel like everyone will do their own thing, and thus I kind of am too. ..I'm kind of wondering if this is still on-topic. I mean, I suppose it's fine, especially since there's no new information to go on just yet.. but still. Either way, this is what I am planning on.

I wasn't really.. planning on anything specific. Was just gonna write about anything I found particularly interesting. Although I like the idea of something structured, a lot of information will be coming in sporadically. To be honest, I was planning on doing something more like the Soku wiki (which I also helped with), where they go into detail about every move, and its usefulness. Though details on its usefulness would come later, of course, due to inexperience with the character. However, if you all would like this to be a joint effort, that would be all good and well. I'll still write up what I will, but all input will be taken into account. I just hope everyone is this willing when she actually shows up, especially since this is pretty early planning. Please go away.