Hatred Edge

So i've been practicing CH into whatever like j.D CH for Chipp and 2S>6HS RC for HOS. I'm kinda bad at this at the moment but have been learning:yaaay: . My question is: in training mode the guard meter can be turned up so that when you attack you get a CH. Is this a good way to practice CH into whatever combos? Also Is there a difference between a reg. CH and a guard guage CH? Like additional hit stun? And at last JIing! so I hear that you press 8 when doing a move like S then pressing another move like 2D then I can jump. I need uber-clarification on this. Do I press for instance: Johnny(k then 8 then H? or K and 8 then H?)

So I bought DBZ Tenkaichi 2 in December and returned it in a week. God , that game sucks so much bull nuts it's digusting. Block doesn't work, teleporting doesn't help, not to mention repetitive fights (see Hirudegran or whatever, you fight him 7 times!!!) there isn't setups mixups and all characters have the same reach and attk speed all combos are the same:vbang: but I noticed that SDBZ was in stock and I kinda overlooked it cuz of its small roster , sorry, and I really want a DBZ fighter but all past ones just sucked bull nuts. Now I just read all friggin 17 pgs of this thread( I'm in school in one hella boring class) and SDBZ sounds good. I haven't seen the vids, they blocked youtube! NOOOOO!!!! So should I try this game? It sounds a shitload better than shitkaichi 2...

Hold on people: is the Clean Hit feature a Sol EXCLUSIVE???!!! Sorry it hadn't really crossed my mind... Cuz if it is Sol's badassery just went up 300 points! Mash mash mash GRANDAH VIPAH for clean hit! I haven't seen anyone else do a clean hit anything; maybe its a character only ability like 22>P,K,S,HS,D for Chipp or Autoguard for Anji? So..clean hit is a Sol exclusive?

I saw a vid of HOS vs Chipp AC. What I saw was HOS do 5S,5S,6HS AS A COMBO. Can AC HOS connect 6HS after moves like 5s,5s, or 6hs without need of a CH?

I keep seeing terms like OTG and ATG what do they mean? And how do you do them?

So I did read all the changes for HOS in AC about three times but I need to know about: 1. How much does doing Tyrant Rave and Savage Fang deplete the charge meter? Or does the meter just keep on decreasing at the same speed regardless? 2. How does Dragon Install work? I never used it Slash but I wanna use it in AC. 3. Now that Sol can charge cancel his normals does that mean his 2HS can be charge-cancelled? Cuz I saw nothing on that. 4. And finally just how many moves can be done before the charge meter drops a level? I mean can he do 2 BHBs then BRP on lvl 2 without charging?

Really? You can TK 623 commands? How? 6283?

(Bitch slaps himself) Hmm...Sols voice...It now sounds like it matches his moves. I noticed how he said somthin like "Zantaki" and "Nusheo" when he did VV. I know this is voice C, can anybody please link a vid with voice A? I really like how its harder to tell if the Badguy is doing Gun flame or Gun Flame Feint. So anybody else lovin the clean hit Grand Viper sound? You see Sols face? He's all like:"AHHH! Clean Hit Grand Viper! Get outta here bitch!" I saw how Sol was able to follow up Volcanic Viper with a combo when he didn't do the knockdown. Was this always possible? Man I can't wait to see what comes out of the Baguy's air throw being untechable.

I got two stupid questions: 1: Mixups. What are they exactly? I know I've been doing them, I just want a clear understanding of mixups. 2: Tiger Kneeing moves. I've been doing this in KOF but not guilty gear. I just picked up Johnny and a main pain in the ass with Johnny is TKing Ensenga. Is learning TKing moves a good idea? I've been toying with the idea of TKing Sol's Sidewinder, dunno if that's possible...and yeah: can you TK shoryuken command moves like Volcanic/Storm viper?

HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT! HOLY SHIT! I just saw Sol vs Johnny AC vid! OMG! Sols new Grand Viper is ultimately badass! Not to mention when Sol GFed Johnny, ran up and did a badass combo! TB you were completey right about the Badguy in Accent Core, I must pay my respects. Now onto Order-Sol.... Damn, Can't eat right now Accent Core stole my appetite.

Huh, Sol sounded gay in XX? I had XX and thought Sol sounded badass. More importantly: What about the Grand Viper? i.e. S>HS>Grand Viper in Slash pulled Sol like friggin six feet back.

So...just how fast is the Badguy's FB Fafnir? Is it volcanic viper fast? I saw the Sol vs Chipp and saw the Force Break I noticed how you don't even see Sol extend his arm. Bloodcrave: WHAT? Sols voice is truly horrid?!! How is that possible? Does that mean HOSs voice is gay as well?

Yay! Sol is still the badass he's always been. Finally someone gave me the last reason I needed to buy Accent Core, now I have too must shed some tears. My friend lost my swap magic 3.6 becuz of Narutimate Hero 3 so I can't play Slash.....NOOOOOO!

So yeah I got a stupid question...tiger kneeing. I know what it is like Tking Johnny's Ensenga(412386+HS) but I wanna know if all aerial moves that use the 236 or 214 command within their inputs like Sol/HOS Bandit Revolver can be TKed? Is it possible to TK moves that use the 623 inputs like Volcanic/Storm Viper? Yeah I know their stupid questions and somebody somewhere answered this SOMEWHERE but this thread is 133 PAGES long!

Wow. hey, don't be a jackass. Anyway I picked up Eddie and I didn't pick Chipp up till SLASH since in XX and #Reload my friend used fucking EX Chipp so I didn't. I picked Sol THIRD, Venom was my second choice you dung flame. Sol just has badass everything: VA,Overdrives,taunts, specials plus I love setting people on fire. As for Chipp I like speed and shinobis. Back to Accent Core Sol: Great: Safe GRAND VIPER. Finally,no more failed Grand Vipers against Venom which leads to rape by Dark Angel. Ugly: All loops gone. Dustloop I didn't care for since REAL Sol players can kick ass without it. But GF FRC BB is gone? Damn stupid jackass monkeys took it out. Great: Fast ass Fafnir! Saw the vid in which Sol crush Chipp with FB:Fafnif >Tyrant Rave. Ugly: WTF? Fafnir is a force break? So now its GF FRC BB FB:Fafnir>tyrant rave: 75% tension. This better do a SHITLOAD of damage like 210 to 240. Ugly: Sol doesn't have Ishiwatari as his VA in Accent Core. WTF? Listen to Sol when he says Grand Viper: pure badassery. Crimson disaster: I don't like it when people mess with the greatness known as Sol Badguy. I have no problem if Sol becomes harder to play as, I'll stick with him no matter what. Like SolxBadguy said: Sol is demon tier, no one can rip this guy apart. I express concern with Accent Core Sol becuz it looks like they're tyring to make him weaker by screwing him over in turn is a LAZY ASS way to make him easier to beat thus not balancing the game out. I liked Guilty Gear becuz it demanded skill on the player part and showed shallow bitches that the world doesn't revolve around supers. But Accent Core seems to be taking that away by nerfing characters. And yeah I do like all the new system features. So.....still not much update on the Badguy. Does anyone know if Grand Viper has less pull back like when Sol does 5S,5HS ,Grand Viper and goes back like 5 feet away from the enemy or does it start up faster like Gunblaze? And what does it mean when BB has sliding and when Sol attacks after it, the attacks count as an air combo? I know what sliding is but i want to know if Sol lifts up the enemy which makes a follow up into an air combo and it does more damage? And I can't wait until Accent Core comes out because I'm hooked on Guilty Gear like a Star trek fan at a convention.

So I checked and 90% of the cast has a AC discussion thread but not Sol so lets get one started.

Quick question: What are level one moves? I know its not Johnnys Mist Finer and Hos's charge meter. Are there moves higher than level 1? I read in the Accent Core thread something like Sol can connect 6P from a lvl 1 move, what the hell does that mean? I also read that slashback or whatever can't stop lvl 1 moves or something or the sort. Help me out here, still learning all things Guilty Gear.

What about changes to Rock It. TB posted it can't connect after 2D unless point blank. WTF ARC? I thought maybe its better to use his Force Break instead but if Sol can't combo into his maybe HOS can't either. I'm concerned that HOS might lose one of my favorite combos. What the hell then, use the force break as a starter then follow up with Rock It RC? Bullshit. That's fucking 75% tension for what could be a hell of a shitty combo. So what the hell is gonna happen to Rock It?

How do I use jump-cancel since it has advantages. I'm mainly using Sol/HOS.

Alright, I got a question. Don't know if its been asked before but, is jump cancelling upon block a good move? i.e. Order Sol 5S>5HS Ky blocks HOS 5HS and I jump cancel it away from Ky.

HOS needs range modifications. Using Gunblaze to move in on the enemy isn't 100% safe. Considering how fast GG is, a player could mess up his Gunblaze with some skill. AC might give him some help but his is a good character anyway. I really hope his improvements do help his mid-range game but hopefully doesn't overpower him too much. HOS should be able switch levels on the Charge meter to create more diverse combos. No more of this Lvl3> Lvl1 shit. More LVL 3> Lvl2> Lvl1>Lvl2 combos!

If HOS can maintain Lvl 3 but the gauge drains...how will Dragon Install work? Also since HOS has fafnir does Sol have a Rock It w/ wallbounce to replace the of lost fafnir? I've noticed that ARC is smart( to a degree) If Hos can remain on Lvl 3 can he Storm Viper Lvl3 to Tyrant Rave? If he can, he will burn the bitches!!!