Zeron_X25

Houston, we have reinforcements.

1- Dash 2A is mash outable. So uhh... there goes that argument. 2- ... they're not that safe and you don't frametrap with 6A... Jabaki leaves you mid range where you don't wanna be and ends any and all pressure that you had going, essentially bringing back the game to neutral instead of cracking them up under Hazama's "bullshit autopilot" pressure. 3- - 4- It's not that easy to get away with Hazama. It was in CS1. In CS2, he got snake stock nerf.

Ressenga is plus 2 not 5. That's Lv.2 Rassenga. Don't tell me you're reaction is THAT bad...

ok. I'll try. I argued that his pressure is strong but not autopilot (At least that's what I remember saying) 1- 2A is +1 and 5B is +2. You're right on that. I wouldn't call this extremely large or make this a reason for him being autopilot. Valkenhayn's 2A is +1 and his 6B is +6. You can gatling 2A into 6B and they are both wolf cancelable. So I don't see how Hazama's only two "quick" + moves are such bullshit material. Keep in mind this still isn't saying he's autopilot. Hazama need to keep his pressure varied and use chains because his pressure is actually very easy to see through (Of course that requires knowledge of the character and knowing how to counter his bullshit). In my experience, when I play Hazama players of different level (Not the highest but I've played very great Hazama players when I played Ragna and sometimes Hazama mirrors), their pressure is a bit easy to see through and I don't usually get hit in their blockstrings. I'm trying to tell you that his pressure isn't as autopilot as someone like Jin. But that is part of what we call matchup experience. That means it's an opinion and it stems from your experience. 2- If you do successfully frametrap, say goodbye to uhhh... 2/3 of your life. So yeah. You're right on that and I never said you aren't. His massive 8k combos aren't as easy or autopilot as you might think. They actually take some execution (Not Arakune-like but still). btw you shouldn't really get hit by 2C frametrap I dunno why you would... I know I never did. Again, Hazama's frametraps are easy to see coming but nevertheless they hurt like a bitch. 3- 'nough said I believe. 4- Can't really comment on that one. I dunno. Maybe you're right but I don't see this as being relevant to pressure (maybe it is but I can't see it). Lambda can get out easily too you know... So uhhh... that's my take on it.

I'm not too fond of the move. I'm biased about it. You're right and it can certainly be used on occasions. However... Dacid, my friend. It does not crush lows and it is not an overhead.

Ummm... go ahead and list them again. Actually... no. Just recall what we argued about. The subject itself. Maybe I can help you then. But let's be gentlemen about it.. Holy shit LOL. Lumin

What response? (Being serious)

I stopped reading when I saw it's the same post as the last 50 something posts you made in this thread. So sorry for that. I got bored of that.

... I don't see any Bang matchup info posted. *Leaves thread* (>'.')>

I just told you. I said I won't explain it myself but I did tell you to look at BO's post again. That explains what you're doing wrong in its purest form. I'm not one to call someone stupid just for the sake of being stupid. You called me out on an opinion. The very nature of that act was stupid whether you were right in your arguments or wrong. You talk to the Hazama players like it's their fault Arcsys made Hazama this way and now they're defending Hazama(?) or some shit. It doesn't matter what you think of Hazama as a character. It's just that simple so stop talking about it and do something productive like giving us some matchup info on Bang and contributing to the Hazama forums as a whole instead of going around shit talking.

You're right. The option is there and it's always nice to have options. But it's still a terrible option that should never be used.

No. Because then you would start trolling yourself again. History will repeat itself and we'll never get those CS2 matchup threads up because of the ensuing shitstorm. Basically what BO told you earlier except take it to heart this time and not just repeat the same stupid shit that gets you bad rep every time on DL. You MAY be right sometimes but that doesn't mean you're not doing stupid shit overall.

You trolled yourself, Dacid. Just like you always do. ...

It means you gotta stop trying to troll people here. You're like a hookworm. You won't go away. And apparently, everyone in the world is wrong except you, our lord and holy savior, Jesus 5A-sama as you like to put it (This wasn't an insult btw just something out of your avatar).

We should start CS2 matchup threads.

Mizuchi hits a bit above ground too. Thought I should mention this.

It's still a really bad move... might as well block and punish lows instead of gambling with a TK.

Dacidbro really getting desperate in the Hazama forums. Why don't you hang out in the Tager forums? I heard they're tolerant of their shit tier matchups.

j.9D is a very good way of getting to the other side of the field fast. It's good for laming people out as well.

FYI you can do the full relaunch combo off of a CH TK 214B. It's a useless move outside of combo though.

5C CH anti air to Zaneiga requires you to KNOW it's going to hit and be a CH at the same time to land it (Same for ground CH 5C). 5B anti air is a bit less restrictive although still hard to hit confirm.

This really is all Hazama has midscreen without CH or heat. So yeah. getting them into the corner and building heat is his gameplan midscreen.

Yes it is possible. I've done it in matches. Not sure what you're doing wrong.

The title is not misleading at all. What are you talking about?

lololololol. I guess Bang not being broken tier anymore is making some people hurt.