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cant you just 2s stbt, or at least 2p? I rarely play the matchup but its never felt like a problem...

learn what combos into what. I saw close s 236 s... why not s, hs, swipe for knockdown? very little good pokes... I saw 2h used in a poor way. lack of 5k poking. every knockdown you got you just stood there and let dizzy wakeup, work on oki. if you have ghosts jump crossup hs or something learn what beats what. also react better to your own summons. look for the noise clues and go from there, be prepared with the 3 options and then go for it when you hear the cue. sword - when to dp. when to space with 5s dog - when youre on them, keep up the pressure. learn a block string that keeps them stuck, I saw 5d and then nothing... you stood there. let the dog take a hit and then not even punish them for it ghosts - learn when to use the crossup hs, when k toss is useful, when d toss is useful (I use it when I have 2, then it does the s / hs toss) and learn some combos. if you can get in with a s, s toss frc you can followup into knockdown. other than that, block more. fighting against dizzy is hella annoying.

yeah, pretty much the only standard combo is frc ghost toss for run in + more hits + knockdown.

Thats mostly just positioning... the FRC isnt so bad, just the timing so you're not too high/low is hard. But positioning is most of Zappa's game. I still dont do iad combos with the dog because I never get them to where I think I'll hit it... even though its a great way to extend his damage potential... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsgVgQw5RKo canon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVismbh7YO0 song for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wuRUUUVSI LOLZ

oh man, old bump. Though rereading the last couple posts, I know I raise my arm and go "raah" to explain how I play Raoh. Though it seems Zappa in general gets annoying to some people... at least the local players *glare*.

oiboi - agreed. 236s still hits, 63214h does not... Even if the dp didnt hit you're nigh invincible anyways... Excellent addition to the conversation, 4Corners! lol... those random s-ko frames are freaky... I still think 6hs animation is the funniest, though....

you sure about no hitbox? because I swear I've hit people plenty with 236s afterwards...

One of the worst things about #R zappa is he can activate his sword moves backwards on the first or so frame before he turns around... one of my favorite things I did with the sword back then was jump over the opponent and do 236s the wrong way (after the crossup) and on the first frame he faces backwards and it does the animation but he goes backwards... the pushblock was also changed, and it always made the sword swipe kinda safe. Real dumb, but something I always noticed about #R zappa which they fixed eventually. Sword swipe also just worked backwards... I didnt really research it, I always did it every so often and just used that vid to confirm my suspicion that everyone already knew about it... hmm BTW - does anyone know about when the sword turns invisible in AC? Sometimes when cancelling 2h near the last frame the sword doesnt snap back, or 236s, he just moves with nothing trailing him... it seems that the sword is too far away to reappear next to him? but it still has the hitbox

What? I dunno how you guys play Zappa, but my mirror matches are always fun and full of win. Most Zappa's don't seem to know how Raoh is still as limited against Zappa as he is every other character...

2k beats BBU as well, and basically dangief - if you can get a deep CH you can do more off of it...

http://kotaku.com/5062310/soulja-boy-now-offering-ass+whoopins-for-free Soulja Boy has JP version of Overture in this video, lol.

Isn't this like the worst matchup for HOS? You get to outzone him completely in almost all cases. Its like playing a gimped slayer. 5k most of his shit, eat a dp? whatever. you got guts. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4635 <-- hintalove is the HOS that I play against. Ghosts - LOL Dog - How can you say its hard to setup things with the dog? sit on it, HOS cant touch you without losing something. block anything he tries and AA with the dog, or just block. Get advantage... profit. Sword - 236s owns face whenever you see him move forward. Followup is a guessing game thats usually in your favor. sword dp > HOS dp. GG. every block string pushes him away with just 5h. The entire point of playing against HOS is keeping him out and winning by attrition. The sword just punishes all the mistakes a lot moreso than the other 2 summons.

Cool, thats what I thought. I always try it on characters in the corner and start whiffing stuff. I see a lot of more versatile combos with smaller hits in the corner off the JI. I just dont get if the 2h 2nd hit is worth all the pushback or not.

Any AA counter hit usually doesn't need an FRC if its on the tip. But for grounded dp frc, yeah, do it every time. I know 2h, but I couldn't ever get it to work on Eddie and some other characters, I know my timing cant be that bad, so it cant work on everybody...

the JI combo is 2hs (2 hits) sj s, k, s, dj s, hs spin. you get more hits usually. That sounds like the standard combo w/o jump install. I dont even know if its worth it much outside of fancier corner combos. I can only get 2p 2k and never just a 2k after a naked 5h frc... I'm sure its more distance / character / standing dependant, however. 5d summon totally whiffs on venom everytime. unless its just really tight, but I just cancel it like usual... could be distance, either way. I was talking about non-ch DP. I get those sometimes, too. It helps being able to react to a non ch and still get damage... And I posted this but realize I gave my PS2 to a friend so I am GG-less for awhile... boo hoo either way we should all collaborate...

do you use 5k against fullscreen slidehead, because that works, too So, I suck with combos... maybe its just the character specific stuff that gets me, I have some random combo questions... JI sword combo - I never get it and just go for 2h (1 hit) j.s j.s hs spin. deep hs spin nets a large amount of damage, but everytime I go for a fancy JI combo I always miss the sj.S K S part in the corners, Zoog said it works on everyone - is that regardless to midscreen or not? Is my timing that bad? lol sword dp frc (non-ch) j.s j.s hs spin, or should I even bother trying for the 2h first? I know it doesnt work on eddie, but... in the corner naked 5h 6frc6 dashing 2p 2k... only on certain characters? or does it work on everyone if you do the I-no CL style frc? I fucking hate 5d summon not working on Venom. Who else doesn't it work on and why don't I just ID correctly... Argh, we need to fill out a good combo list that is up to date and features easymode / hardmode combos and what characters it works on. I'm trying to step up and secure my game as I can only do fancy stuff inconsistantly (depending on the condition of the pad I'm using) and it sucks! Lets reboot this thread with good combos, eh? Who wants to start working on something? Tiamat had the right idea but that is all old stuff.... I'll start working on something, which will improve my execution (because I haven't touched training mode in a year....) Sorry to ramble, I know I don't post here often, because if I did, this would happen.... And I play easymode zappa and have no strong combos, lolol.

I'm going to this tourney!!! http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4921 FR sounds like it might be worth heading to. We'll see how things go, though.

Portland, OR Slash EX zappa color (green / black) I thought it was just going to be colors in the image like the bridget one, but if there was an attack to represent me it would be zappa's summon

Depending on the characters that can punish it or not. the first one I see them actually correctly punish it, I usually stop. Most characters were blocking a lot, fearing zappa getting more orbs, so they didn't stop it as much as needed. I fucking hate my execution inabilities, I bought myself a new pad after getting back from evo, but I should have done it before. (I'm totally not going to rely on using a stick at a good level)

http://nl.youtube.com/results?search_query=hellsap&search_sort=video_date_uploaded woot, my evo matches with clear failed execution!!! I liked the part in the vid against nerina where I got 5s 3 times instead of 236s. The good pad I was borrowing was taken back. Other than that, check it out! wooh.

Yeah, I was interested in seeing that one regional Zappa picture thing that we were going to copy from the Bridget forums. But that never came about. Oh well. Maybe I should start posting more, lurking less. I just don't know how practical my advice is, either way.