Why did I just notice this post?
A second collider won't work after the first one..
Gadget whiff is just faster than collider whiff but has less pull is all.
@ Dae: What your friend says is true, everyone still out ranges Tager but it's not the sole reason he was weak.
He just didn't have the things that makes a grappler good.
This game they fixed that a bit by making his pokes more rewarding and giving him buffs that fixed him up a bit in other areas too.
The difference between this game and previous is that Tager wins more.
If you wanna convince your friend that Tager doesn't suck then pick up Tager and show him the way.
He will hate you and change his mind at the same time, with hilarious results.