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If anyone has any feedback on the format we did today, definitely let us know! GG Results: 1. Tenkai (JO) 2. magz (SL) 3. ehuangsan (KY) 3. PhaethonH (MA) 5. Tsubasa (MA) 5. Brett (RA) 5. Lark (JU) 5. Aginor (IN) 9. dakanya (OR) 9. Manabe (SO) 9. Geobuster (DI) 9. OrionXElite (OR) 13. NotKBF (MA) 13. 2GB (MI) 15. Oiboi (ZA) 15. Fatacon (AB) Swiss Qualifier Bracket - http://ubw.challonge.com/ncd1019swiss Top 8 Elimination Bracket - http://challonge.com/ncd1019top8 (the 3rd place match is false, we didn't run it. filled it in so results are displayed) Notes about format: 3 Round swiss, top 8 players proceed to elimination Top 8 bracket.

NCD Rankings for GG - updated 10/19/2013 1. Tenkai - 1587SP 6W-0L (100%). 2. Ehuangsan - 1543SP 4W-1L (80%). 3. magz - 1532SP 4W-2L (66.67%). 4. PhaethonH - 1516SP 3W-2L (60%). 5. Aginor - 1501SP 2W-2L (50%). 5. Lark - 1501SP 2W-2L (50%). 7. Brett - 1500SP 2W-2L (50%). 7. Tsubasa - 1500SP 2W-2L (50%). 9. Manabe - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 9. notKBF - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 9. 2GBCombo - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 9. Geobuster - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 9. dakanya - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 9. OrionxElite - 1485SP 1W-2L (33.33%). 15. Fatacon - 1455SP 0W-3L (0%). 15. Oiboi - 1455SP 0W-3L (0%).

Most of norcal seems extremely disinterested in it to the point where its not about not wanting to put the time in, like SoWL is saying, but rather just opting not to play it at all.

If only more people were actually down to play this offline >_>

its time for me to play this game again \o/

generally when I host, the answer is never.

I am probably going to be hosting at my place on the last Saturday of this month, Oct 26th. Primarily Gundam for now, GG and possibly(?) BBCP available too.

what like a console BBCP cabinet set up there? it's kind of a bit late...

Damn I am extremely sad that no one mentioned they were driving for povfest. What has this generation come to : |

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Hrmmmm next weekend - not sure on my schedule. It really depends on how many people want to show up. I'm generally more used to hosting with helllla people and only doing it like once a month or so. Then again with BBCP as well as GC gone, I might be more inclined to do rapid fire hosting.

best post of the year. I'd make this my sig but yeah.

I was hoping I could have a few days to come up with another silly numbered list before posting again. Well fuck it. To the people saying a ban (or soft-ban) would "alienate" pad players - YOU CAN STILL USE MACROS IN CASUALS. Hell I think most MONTHLIES would allow it just because they're only monthlies. I see this primarily as a big and important decision for Majors / Evo. On a smaller setting, its much more feasible to contain things either on a character basis, or on a player by player basis, because everyone knows eachother etc. I feel like this is an important subject for making sure the rules for large tournaments are handle properly, considering they're basically setting the standard for everything else. Specifically to Ama, and others who have expressed worries about alienating pad players: Those 150 people you mentioned aren't getting dicked out. They can still play GG however the hell they want. They just wouldn't be allowed to enter large tournaments with the pad macro. I think that's honestly pretty damn fair because if those majors and large tournaments had SBO qualifiers they wouldn't be allowed to enter anyways All of the stuff Thanatos has said arguing with people like klaige / qwerty etc are all about whether or not it's "necessary" to ban them or not. About whether the problems warrant a ban. Very few people are actually approaching it from the opposite end in terms of whether it would really have as much of a negative impact as people are claiming. While what kevin and others have said makes sense in terms of "wait and see," if you acknowledge there's something broken but just want to wait and see, you're basically saying 'If a hypothetical person X were to enter a tournament, he would win unfairly and break the tournament, but I'm just hoping that hypothetical person doesn't exist." I think that's pretty fucked up personally lol.

Okay so it's not a burst. Nor is it a "combo-breaker". It's a counter. Thanks for clarifying that, pete. I was really scared for a second because if CC2 was really introducing MORE bursts into the game, I'd lose all hope lol.

It sounded like Kenji hosting this saturday was set in stone.

There are many people posting recently in this thread that I must thank greatly for expressing the same kinds of notions I would like to, but don't have the time, patience, nor writing ability to put concisely. Not to mention the perseverance to continue to debate about it against contrary opinions etc etc - so thanks, honestly. This is not me circle jerking, but yeah, thanks. I've been following this thread closely for quite a while, and just wanted to bring up a few things (I know I always preface whatever points I'm about to make with similar ice-breakers; I'm sorry.) 1. This is an issue for TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS. This is obviously a topic everyone can discuss but I do think it's important for people to realize we should be making it so that TO's who read this can understand it clearly. One of the things that irks me the most about Dustloop is the sheer difficulty of keeping track of the flow of discussion and being able to extract meaningful information out of them (most combo threads 1st posts' don't even list bnbs, but that's offtopic :P). It would be nice if people could try to put effort into compiling the pros and cons, each side of the arguement, etc, and making them presentable for TO's to review. Some have and definitely are reading and following this thread thoroughly, while others probably have no clue what's being discussed here. It would be nice, regardless of the side of the issue you stand on, if we could make effort into making it so tournament organizers are more _well informed_ about the topic, rather than making uninformed assumptions and/or decisions. Again - it would be nice. That's all. 2. On the topic of tournament organization, at Norcal Dogfight, a Guilty Gear monthly that has been ongoing consistently for over a year, the ruleset was identical to the one I suggested a while ago, being that both players in any given match had to agree mutually before hand in order for pad macros to be usable. Otherwise, they weren't allowed. Things generally went smoothly, and there was no drama despite there being some pad players. There was indeed a justice player. People who gave him the OK generally lost to him, even after he explained the implication of permitting it. People who told him no forced him to play normally and no harm was done. I'm reporting all of this not because I'm trying to prove a point, but because there hasn't been a lot of new concrete _data_ being presented in this thread. I have nothing against the amazing, but lofty discussions that are also going on here, but I would like to make an example by action that there are other ways of progressing this discussion. The main thing I really want is just for this discussion to continue progressing and moving towards an end resolution, regardless of what it is. I really don't want to sit here and wake up every morning wondering whether we're all going to start learning to use pad macros or not. 3. I understand that most people seem to agree that the Justice glitch is banned, but I'm still saying all of this stuff because there are those who still believe in a "wait until we see results" mindset. Thus I'm giving you results. There are a lot of people who have been saying things like "Oh fine Imma just learn justice etc etc," but I have yet to see those people say anything. As I mentioned earlier, I played with it extensively, and did get results - I won a ranbat by mashing with the occasional decision making using it. Not only that, I can tell you some things that others would know if they actually messed around with it - such as the fact that Grand Viper does not actually defeat the NB spam tactic because you can pre-emptively release a P one and hit him for it. Not to mention at certain ranges its extremely easy to bait with a slight pause, and there's very little risk to leaving a tiny gap randomly in the fireball danmaku. tl;dr - this issue will be resolved by the decisions of TO's. So if you want to contribute I suggest making your post / this thread useful for TO's to read. and lastly, an actual question because I feel like things 5-6 pages ago were said as if they were absolute truth, and now are being swept under the rug: Very early on in the thread a few things seemed apparent: 1. Banning the Justice Pad Macro alone was not an option - you must ban pad macros or you must allow them. ↓ 2. People then proceeded to argue that the Justice Glitch wasn't actually that big of a deal, and along the way people started slowly responding to the arguement about the use of the macro as a "turbo button" ↓ 3. Most people are saying the Justice Glitch is broken and bannable, but there's a lot of disagreement regarding the "turbo button" usage. ↓ so..... am I wrong about this assumption about 1.? It really seemed like everyone was in agreement on that part, yet it also seems like the majority is now in consensus on the Justice Glitch being broken. If not, that's even more reason for some of the data I've posted. And yes I've posted some of it before but this is also an attempt to make it straight forward and presentable. Thanks for the patience required to read all the crap I write -Brett

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i skimmed over these 2 pages, didn't seem like there was anything new though....

i haven't checked him out - does he really have a fucking burst? Edit: Is there a link to the SRK thread for ASB? Curious about what goes on there and I cant find it orz.

Tell him to contact me if he's serious, I can introduce him to some GG players via twitter etc.

I think if you don't use the FGJ technique, its like hella hard to get without randomly going into IK all the time lol.

I honestly think going to the Rebel Up is probably not worth it. I don't even think anyone good shows up to those. It's more worth it to show up to TRB instead - more attendants I _think. Also more viewers (Important for proving a point!!!). Again this is only from my impression, I don't know for sure. But if you do want to go beat everyone up down there (because that's what will happen), might as well do it where everyone can plainly see :P

Gundam EXVS Prearranged 2on2 Results: 1. EDF (Tenkai - Master / Lark - X1) 2. Team Roy (WhiteDevil - Xi, Unicorn / Jehuty - GP03, Dynames) 3. Chousa Heidan (magz - Quanta, The O / dakanya - Heavy Arms, Turn X) 4. fraud-types (Issaia - Xi, RX-78 / Anthony - Strike Noir, DX) JOJO ASB Singles Results: 1. Brett (Pucci, Kyoichi, Buccellati) / WhiteBoyWilly (DIO) (Willy had to leave, took over for him in losers bracket) 2. Tone (Abdul) 3. OrionXElite (Jotaro) AccidentCore Results: 1. Everyone except Chun and Vineeth 16. Chun 16. Vineeth Beanboozled FT5 results: Vineeth - 5, Chun - 3 Melty Teams: I don't know but I carried Sean and he didn't do shit! HE DIDNT EVEN WIN THE ONE TIME I LOST! FRAUD VETERAN. Guilty 3on3: I wish we had time to actually do this. I blame BB.

Since a number of people asked me at NCD about the future of etc etc, I am open to hosting this Saturday at my place. Seeing as we just had a 24h event, as well as pretty much 1 event every Saturday for the last month+, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone is burned out. So if you are interested, let me know, and if there's enough interest I'll open things up. As a future heads up while I'm here, I'm almost certainly going to host something at my place on Oct 26th.

Just did today. Won the ranbat with Justice - don't even play the character.