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No way I can make it to NEC, that's during college for me lol. If it's on a weekend I'd probably have to work anyways.

Never mind he's just faking being banned. See through nigga.

lol what did he do to get banned 5 seconds after getting back

lmfao

I wouldn't cross your fingers anytime if you're hoping for a localization here. Ecole/French Bread has shown nothing but absolute disinterest (Or ignorance if you want to frame it in a way that's critical) in regards to bringing their games outside of Japan and tapping into a western audience (That clearly exists). Even then the companies' porting track record is pretty horrible in itself, if they learned their lesson from Melty Blood maybe they'll realize they should actually invest some time in bringing the game to current consoles rather than PC (If they choose to port it at all, in which case it'll probably be Ps3 exclusive given what they were "considering" for Melty Blood CC). Carmine looks fun, probably the character I've been most interested in since Day 1 reveal. Also - Text from the VS dialogues is completely incoherent English, like seriously what the hell? Recurring Void Effect - Well, the origin of hopeless time. I risk my life with the wish, obligation and prepare for strife with an enemy. "X" Clause - The persons who love the "Immortalize" life talked about between the people and ask a soul, and exist at eaten monster all part with suddenness, and gather round at night of the "IN-BIRTH" destiny which awakes. Something which should be protected. The thought that it can't be given. Repeated war. And "Seven days Immortal" where ----- comes soon. DIVIDE! - kill each other, but it's good "INVERSES" DOWN - Depletion of EXS BREAKDOWN - Vanishment of VOID Winner - The end determination of an intense desperate struggle stuck. You win a war and pause in the place admirably. And a body was shaken in feeling of a new war. There are also some text things which accompany each character, but they're so nonsensical that I won't even re-type it.

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Hating Asuka? And here I thought you hated Poison.

John Lennon???

Going to bed now @ Lumin and Toasty - I might be asleep if you try to call but just show up at the usual time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKy52oOFH0k

I would tell you about that, if I took anatomy.

My bad lol who was Aska from? Wasn't that fucking Tales too? Oh that's right that was the fucking bird from Symphonia, that's why I got confused. Luna's referring to a post I made way back in the day that probably isn't even on the forums anymore that I made which explained certain things about myself that I don't care to reiterate.

If you're going to talk about the rape thing, I'll go ahead and admit that on that level that's me being a hypocrite. The difference between this and my previous argument is I'm mature enough to realize that there's a contradiction in what I believe should be acceptable in the context of fantasy for myself, and what should be acceptable for others. I would never dream of saying that something should be acceptable (When done by me), but then only find it to be something offensive when others do it without realizing that is an indefensible and irrational view. I realize that both view points in the situation are morally corrupt ones and that one should never been deemed as acceptable (Due to the exception) while the other is somehow wrong. Neither is justifiable, and both should be condemned, and I should absolutely be held reprehensible for having such a viewpoint. I have no problem discussing flaws in my character or admitting that I'm not perfect because I don't pretend to be all that is righteous in the world. The issue in the original scenario isn't just hypocrisy in itself it's that nobody seems to realize that the hypocrisy exists to begin with or finds it strange that this contradiction exists.

Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss) Laharl (Disgaea) Vyse (Skies of Arcadia) I could list a ton more but it's probably easier to just explain why Yuri isn't the best male character. His development is completely static. He literally has no crisis, no massive change, no anything throughout the entire plot. The reason for this, is that all of that shit happens in plot we only see in the Tales of Vesperia movie. Yuri's goals, motivations, etc. don't change. For all intents in purposes he is already "developed" before the game starts, but this presents a problem because from the player's perspective it means you have a MC who doesn't fucking evolve as a person and just stubbornly clings to his conception of the way society and the world work throughout the entire game. This would've worked great if he was a side-character, as often they are the ones who exhibit this sort of character. However, as the main character in a JRPG it's usually expected that their world view or perception of SOMETHING is going to change, thus prompting the player to reconsider (or consider) something for the first time. Yuri doesn't change, which means the player doesn't change, which makes the exercise largely uninteresting if not a failure.

Estelle wasn't evil to you as the player maybe, obviously not to Yuri either. To Aska? She was probably about as evil as most threats to the world should be perceived as. Why do you sympathize with Estelle? Because she's focused on, because she's made sympathetic, because you aren't shown any fault with her. The characters that are killed by Yuri weren't chosen by accident, they purposely chose characters who we aren't supposed to see any "good side" to so that you don't feel bad when they die. Cumore begs for his fucking life, and Yuri lets him die anyway. We'll never know if he would've repented because he wasn't given a chance to, because he was "evil". Your problem is that you're being completely blinded by the way the game has presented this entire aspect of the story to you. You're the same as Yuri in that you don't see how divorcing your actions from your own code of ethics only when it's convenient for you is morally corrupt. This sort of philosophy works just fine because we never see anything to suggest the people are killed are anything less than scumbags, but the fact that everyone in the fucking world seems to just be okay with someone going around killing people without any sort of real justification is bullshit. And no, being "evil" is not a fucking justification.

So two affirmations of the philosophy working justify it? From Aska's perspective Estelle being born is just as much of an evil as slavery or murder, and even that's on a grander scale since her living effectively means everyone else eventually dieing. Extraneous circumstances do NOT make him someohow not a hypocrite, extraneous circumstances changing your view on something is what MAKES you a hypocrite. You cannot decide to make a moral code that involves killing people without due process and then only make an exception for your friends. You ESPECIALLY cannot then try and fucking criticize people your taking your own philosophy and using it OBJECTIVELY. Yuri goes after Cumore and the other guy out of some sense of self-righteousness and belief that he is ENTITLED to take another person's life if the law doesn't punish them, and he also has a fucking axe to grind with these people so he's hardly unbiased in their executions. Aska has no attachment to anyone, and is trying to save the fucking WORLD, him wanting to kill Estelle is 100,000,000x more justifiable than anything Yuri does, period. It's so funny how in the 1st case "Being high up on the political ladder" spares his immediate punishment and this is something we as players is supposed to view as awful, but Estelle being friends with the party grants her a similar diplomatic immunity from death. What you're basically justifying is a philosophy where people aren't even given the chance to reform based on their previous actions, and can be killed without any sort of due process - unless they happen to be cute girls who are also party members because that makes it OK. Nevermind that Yuri NEVER has to own up to his actions. He NEVER has to repent for the lives he took, NEVER pauses to consider that he might've been wrong to take someone else's life, and NOBODY in the party or cast ever questions this. But hey, as long as they were fucking evil who cares about a few dead bodies, right?. I don't even oppose this sort of thinking just on the premise of the game, I oppose this as a person and will be willing to defend that stance to the bitter end. What you're basically justifying is the same system of thinking that oppressive regimes and extremist groups have used for centuries, but saying it's OK just because it's being presented in a way where only the "Bad Guys" get hurt by it. Fucking bullshit.

That was only because it was Estelle though, he never questioned his philosophy or paused to think he was wrong. He was just hesitating and trying to make an exception because it was someone he knew instead of someone he could just easily kill without remorse. And fuck Anise, Arietta should've been the party member instead.

Not realizing that the exact bullshit you condemn is what you yourself have been practicing is not character development. Luke in ToTA getting called out on his bullshit attitude and then doing a 180 was questionable character development, since nobody really changes that fast, but it was still development and made for some interesting changes in the story. Yuri is just a hypocrite who never had to face an repercussions for what he did.

Yuri was a fucking hypocrite. His entire character can be summed up with the motto of "I have the right to kill people who the law doesn't punish because they are a threat to people" HOWEVER when Aska decides Estelle should die because she's a threat to the entire WORLD Yuri has the fucking nerve to tell Aska he "doesn't have the right to decide who lives and who dies" Which is EXACTLY what Yuri had been doing the entire game up until that point. Fucking hypocrite and he never gets called on it.

I like Tales I just hate how hypocritical the characters are sometimes and how they don't get called the fuck out.

Lumin doesn't even have his own CSE? O fraaaaaaaaaaaaaaay