ludwig van

*Ye, it's stuff>236CD>dash (s)j.B>236B

I just found this combo for Naoto challenge 25 for those having difficulty w/ it: AoA~D FC>5B>5C>IAD j.B>j.C>land 5C>236B~D>5C>236A~Bx5>OMB>236CD>236236AB>236236A BTW, earlier people were having issues connecting 236CD>j.236B? AFAIK you're supposed to j.B before j.236B.

So far I think that the Naotos are even, but regular Naoto is definitely easier to pick up.

Shadow Naoto combos are so fun, but they make my fingers bleed. Denpa plz, orz

Updated opening post w/ a super rough draft of things that the Naotos can do. If you're interested in Shadow Naoto be sure to read the bit on trap canceling at the end.

Contents 1.) Introduction 2.) Main Combos 3.) Naoto Specific 4.) Shadow Naoto Specific 5.) Challenge Mode 1) Introduction This thread is for posting any and all combos concerning the Naotos. All contributions are welcome. Please refrain from going off topic in this thread. This thread is for posting combos and combo theory discussion only. Notation used 2) Main Combos Meterless 5A Starter 5B Starter 2B CH AA 2[C] 5C IAD j.B j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5 2B CH AA jump falling j.A j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5 2B CH AA delay 5C 236B~Cx5 2B CH falling j.A j.C land 5C 2C 214A~Cx5 On grounded hits, do the same thing you would for a 5B starter here. 5C Starter 4/5D (hit D again) dash up delay 5C delay 236B~Cx5 4/5D (hit D again) dash up 5C 2C 214A~Cx5 4/5D (hit D again) dash up 5C sj.jB j.C j.236B 4/5D (hit D again) CH dash 2A/5B 5C IAD j.A j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5 Corner 4/5D (hit D again) CH dash 2A/5B 5C IAD j.A/j.B j.C land 5C 236B~D 5C 214A~Cx5 Throw Anywhere 214C/D (late confirm, opponent is popped up high) dash j.B (j.C) dj.B j.C j.236A/B OR dj.C j.D 214C/D (close/fast confirm where you hit them before they go too high) 5A/5B/2B/2A 5C IAD j.A/j.B j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5 CH 214C/D wait (2A) or (2[C]) 5C IAD j.A/j.B j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5. Use 2A to pick up if the opponent is far/ really low, 2[C] if the opponent is close/really high, you'll have to manually judge the height. Can also just raw 5C if the high is just right. Corner 214C CH 214D 5A 5C IAD j.A j.C j.236A land 2B 5C 236B~D 5C 214A~Cx5 236C Starter If it is not counter hit and you are close enough, proceed with standard 5B combo paths. (round start position) 2[C] FC dash 236C dash 5C IAD j.C land 5C slight delay 236C delay 5C IAD j.C land 5C delay Sweep 236C delay 5C delay 236B~D 5C 236A~Bx5 (back to corner) 2[C] FC dash 236C microdash 5C IAD j.C land 5B 5C 2[C] 5C IAD j.A/j.B j.C land 5C 236B~Cx5 Corner 2[C] FC 236C 5C instant j.D j.236A land 2B slight delay 5C delay 236C 5C IAD j.C 5C delay Sweep 236C delay 5C delay 236B~D 5C 214A~Cx5 3) Naoto Specific/Metered Combos Coming Soon 4) Shadow Naoto Specific: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s462/sh/7ce9e3d4-002f-431f-9dfe-49dccc3940d8/df482906fc11515aac8a66f09656c226

Oi, a little late but if you need any more help I can help run P4 and GG pools.

Soooo there's finally Denpa footage out and about. Check the video thread~ :3

Finally some Denpa footage! No promises, but there might be more soon.

^I asked both Xie and Stunedge about it and they said that it's basically a pause button. Here's a video showing shadow berserk in a match (shown @ 11:11):

Honestly, the thing that makes her seem better is that opponents can't just abuse air moves to negate traps since D traps are immune to them. (IE: RIP Yosuke j.C, Banchou dive kick/Raging Lion, Aigis... stuff, ect) and that 2B and Venom Zapper will make jumping in on Naoto harder. However, I can still see her having a lot of similar problems in MUs. Aigis is still Aigis, SLab is still SLab, Mits still has strong neutral, Banchou lost oki but gained other new tricks, Chie still has damage, ect. We have no SMP but IKing seems to be easier. It seems most of our normals are more or less the same (just how same/different is subject to the frame data, w/e that gets released), All that said though, the game is still young so it's highly likely that there's still plenty of new stuff to be found. (And at the end of the day, I'm still waiting for our lord and savior Denpa to put down the BB and show us the /really/ good new shit with Naoto, not just SB Kick shenanigans that Kamoihito seems to enjoy)

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Kamoihito's doing stuff again. Also, I hope Naoto combo videos have more than just Houtenjin combos, they're getting kind of boring at this point imo, and the point that SB kick does a ton of damage was made a long time ago.

I finally got around to doing an update to the video thread (I blame NEC and then having to fight the NEC plague (still fighting it btw ;; )), and due to a lack of free time compared to P4U's release, I'm probably going to hold off uploading vids to my own channel. Better to at least have the thread updated than to drag behind on personal uploads /and/ updates for the video thread.

Pfhor linked me something interesting on Twitter: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22364879 (around 5:11) The Naoto player has 1 shot stored, lands it in a combo, and it clearly takes away 3 fate by itself.

Oi, I have an open spot on my hotel floor if anyone needs a room. PM me if you're interested~

Alright, this thread is now /the thread/ for general Naoto discussion in P4U2. Play nice~ And I just want to say: 2B looks solid (though to be fair, it's only off of day 1 footage).

Collapsed: vs. Aigis (UPDATED 3/28/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/25/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Cerberus Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/25/2014 3/2/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Ahiro vs. Mui 1/26/2014 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/08/2014 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/22/13 LOOP Okazaki Casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Tokyo Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/2013 Kagoshima AML Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/30 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Akihiko (UPDATED 3/28/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/26/2014 1/22/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachioji Casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachioji Casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji Casuals 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Mitsuru (UPDATED 3/26/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/26/2014 1/15/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/25/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Cerberus Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/25/2014 3/2/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Spinking vs. Sabuni 3/25/2014 2/28/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Shadow vs. Pepe 2/15/2014 1/16/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Eru vs. MEN Tenchou 2/15/2014 1/16/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Spinking? vs. MEN Tenchou 1/25/2014 1/19/14 Taito Yokohama 2v2 Click! ??? vs. Shuuto 1/25/2014 1/11/14 Urban Square 3v3 Click! ??? vs. Wakabo 1/24/2014 12/30/2013 Central Hachiouji 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/22/13 LOOP Okazaki Casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/21/2013 12/14/2013 Amipara Technoland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Tokyo Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji Tourney Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji Tourney Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachioji Tourney Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. ??? 11/28/2013 Day 1 Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Junpei (UPDATED 3/282014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/25/2014 1/19/2014 Taito Yokohama casuals Click! ??? vs. Xie x2 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot 1 , 2 Shadow vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Yukari (UPDATED 3/28/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/25/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Cerberus Click! ??? vs. ??? 2/15/2014 2/10/14 MAXIM HERO 1 , 2 Denpa vs. Tahichi 1/08/2013 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Singles (no audio) Click! Ahiru vs. Tahichi 11/28/2013 Day 1 Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Labrys (UPDATED 3/25/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/25/2014 2/28/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Akimura vs. Har 1/25/2014 1/19/2014 Taito Yokohama casuals Click! ??? vs. Koma 1/08/2013 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/20/2013 Gifu Leisureland 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Shadow Labrys (UPDATED 1/26/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 1/26/2014 ??? Click! Waka vs. Nerina [tr] 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot 1 , 2 Shadow vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji Click! ??? vs ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Elizabeth (UPDATED xx/xx/xxxx): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS x x x x x x x x [/table] Collapsed: vs. Sho (UPDATED 3/25/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/25/2014 3/2/2014 Taito Qualifier Cl ick ! Ahiro vs. (P)DIE-chan 1/25/2014 1/19/14 Taito Yokohama 2v2 Click! ??? vs. (P)??? 1/25/2014 1/9/14 Shinjuku Sportsland 3v3 Click! ahiru vs. mato 1/24/2014 12/30/2013 Central Hachiouji 2v2 1 , 2 ??? vs. (P)??? 1/24/2014 1/2/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! ??? vs. (P)DIE-Chan 1/24/2014 12/21/13 Port 24 Yagoto Click! ??? vs. (P) ??? 1/24/2014 12/21/13 Port 24 Yagoto Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/24/13 Sasashima 2on2 Click! ??? vs. (P)??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. ??? [/table] Combo Videos: (UPDATED 1/08/2014) SB Critical Shot by Kamoihito Video by Misaka Minato 2%5BC%5D Fatal Combo video by ??? 12/18/2013 SNaoto combo video by Kamoihito 12/23/2013 SB Critical Shot combo by Kamoihito 1/5/2014 SNaoto combo by Kamoihito 1/7/2014 Naoto combos by ??? (Nico) Misc: (UPDATED 1/25/2014) Naoto training mode stuff Doonpa Naoto Tutorials https://www.youtube....h?v=EjS7CobTRMI https://www.youtube....h?v=4SnMcXZ03_o https://www.youtube....h?v=d0Menb2xgnY

*NOTE: THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR DISCUSSION, ONLY FOR POSTING VIDEOS* Special thanks to Kurushii for the banner! For a Youtube channel with ONLY Naoto matches, check here. JP Equivalent of This Thread for 2.0 Naoto JP Equivalent of This Thread for 2.0 S.Naoto Note: players w/ "(S)" in front of their alias are using the shadow version (or (P) for Persona Sho). Collapsed: vs. Yu (UPDATED 3/26/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/28/2014 2/19/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/26/2014 1/22/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. (S)??? 3/26/2014 1/22/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/26/2014 1/15/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? x2 3/25/2014 3/2/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Ahiro vs. Sukekiyo 3/25/2014 3/2/2014 Taito Qualifier Click! Spinking vs. (S)noto shishō 3/25/2014 2/15/2014 Taito Station 2v2 Click! ??? vs. Aoi 2/15/2014 1/25/2014 Miraimu Red VS White Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/24/2014 12/21/13 Port 24 Yagoto Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/08/2013 12/29/13 a-cho 1 , 2, 3, 4 ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/22/13 LOOP Okazaki Casuals 1 , 2, 3 ??? vs. Yamashita 12/19/2013 12/22/13 LOOP Okazaki Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Cent. Hachiouji pre-tourney Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/29/13 GIGAMAC Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/29/13 GIGAMAC Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Yosuke (UPDATED 3/28/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/28/2014 2/26/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 3/26/2014 1/22/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/26/2014 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/25/2014 1/9/14 Shinjuku Sportsland 3v3 Click! ahiru vs. ringo 12/29/2013 12/20/2013 Gifu Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. Nise Pachi 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! (S) Shadow vs. Nise Pachi [/table] Collapsed: vs. Chie (UPDATED 1/08/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 1/08/2013 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 1 , 2, 3 ??? vs. ??? 1/06/2014 1/3/14 Sasashima Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/29/2013 12/20/2013 Gifu Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Singles (no audio) Click! Ahiru vs. Iguru 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Kagoshima AML Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Yukiko (UPDATED 3/26/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 3/26/2014 1/22/2014 a-cho Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/25/2014 1/11/14 Urban Square 3v3 Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/24/2014 12/21/13 Port 24 Yagoto Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/08/2013 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Tokyo Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Kanji (UPDATED 2/15/2014): :ballKA: [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 2/15/2014 1/16/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Ahiro vs. Bed 1/25/2014 1/11/14 Urban Square 3v3 Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/25/2014 1/9/14 Shinjuku Sportsland 3v3 Click! ahiru vs. pet 1/24/2014 12/30/2013 Central Hachiouji 2v2 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? 1/24/2014 12/30/2013 Central Hachiouji 2v2 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? 1/24/2014 12/26/13 Shinjuku Sportsland RvW Click! Eru vs. Nakiri 1/06/2014 1/3/14 Sasashima 1 , 2 [td] ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji casuals 1 , 2 ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji casuals Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/30/13 Central Hachiouji Tourney Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/29/30 GIGAMAC Click! ??? vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Teddie (UPDATED 2/15/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 2/15/2014 1/16/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Ahiro vs. Hina 2/15/2014 ?/??/?? Waka vs. Mad 1 , 2 Waka vs. Mad 1/26/2014 1/05/14 a-cho 2v2 Click! ??? vs. ??? 1/24/2014 1/2/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! ??? vs. Hina 1/24/2014 1/2/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! ??? vs. Keita 1/24/2014 1/2/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Ahiro vs. Wa 12/29/2013 12/20/2013 Gifu Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/23/2013 12/18/2013 Tokyo Pasopiado Click! kusaka mei VS wa 12/21/2013 12/14/2013 Amipara Technoland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Tokyo Leisureland Click! ??? vs. ??? 12/13/2013 11/28/13 Game Chariot Click! Shadow vs. ??? [/table] Collapsed: vs. Naoto (UPDATED 2/15/2014): [table] DATE ADDED EVENT LINK PLAYERS 2/15/2014 1/16/14 Shinjuku Sportsland Click! Eru vs. Spinking? 12/23/2013 12/18/2013 Tokyo Pasopiado Click! reiso vs. hisasaka mei [/table]

Anyways, guess I should probably updated the first post in the info thread here in a bit. And thanks Kikirin~! EDIT: Info added, will do more proper formatting after work.

For those who haven't seen it yet, there's cell phone footage of Shadow Naoto vs. Yukiko now in the first post, thanks to Omecross~

First off, here's an interesting video showing some fatal starter SMPs As for the combo list, the reason why it is how it is is b/c there are a ton of different ways to make SMP combos and to list them all would take way more time than it's worth, so I made the combo recommendations section to serve as a starting point for people picking up Naoto. Everything else outside of that may be poorly optimized. That said however, I think this thread could use one more update before P4U2. Maybe add/remove a few combos from the recommendation part, and add more to the general section. So, expect that to be finished within a week or so.

Here's an updated movelist: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6639/98sr.png Some things of note from this: DP counter apparently needs to be triggered again before followups (followups could be used w/o absorbing a hit last loketest) #RIP New DP followup, DP~4A/B/C/D, called "Safety" apparently. New Aim followup, Aim~6D, it's grouped w/ the rest of her shots on the movelist so it's probably safe to say it's a new shot angle or something similar. Here's a picture of Shadow Naoto's portrait: And a picture of a new move, probably Venom Zapper. I'll figure out how I want to update the OP later, too much stuff going on atm.

I bought it 3 times (XBL/PSN/JP PSN just for +R), it was worth it~ :3

Read this post by Stunedge if you haven't already. It has some interesting information regarding universal system changes and shadows.