Matt

Whatever. I gives up. Clearly Bang is too good. He IS God Tier, it only makes sense that way. If he wasn't that good, people would not need to spend pages complaining about him. Write up walls of posts arguing about how his 5A is too good. Seriously, Bang is just so good I am gonna avoid BB: CS because I just can not handle his manliness.

If we look at a straight up numbers comparison Bang is not even close to being considered God Tier. Dhalsim (ST): 6.6875 average matchup in his favor Rei (HnK): 6.25 Kakyoin (Jojo's): 6.55 Bang (BB:CS): 5.75 Hell these characters aren't even the God tier in their own respective games. They are just the top tier. As you can see Bang doesn't even come close to being as overpowered as top tier characters in other games if you were to look at straight up numbers. All of this info was based off of the most recent and accurate matchup charts. Also, I think Zero000 is just trolling. I call bullshit until a link is given.

If I remember correctly worldjem didn't even change the chart to fit the American views. He just took the original chart and averaged out any disagreements. Also, if you subtract Hazama and Tsubaki from the chart Bang is only 90 above balanced, the exact same score Rachel received in CT. For Litchi, she ends up being at 75, exactly what Arakune had in CT. Yeah, that is overpowered, but is that truly ridiculous. At most I would consider Bang and Litchi to be S tier. Godtier is simply absurd. Especially when you compare Bang and Litchi's strengths to God tiers in other games (ie: Jojo's, MvC2, ST, etc.). I still believe that Bang and Litchi are overpowered, but not so ridiculously overpowered that they dominate the cast.

Bang. Ridiculous. LOLOLOLOLOL. It's funny that people make Bang out to be this Godlike, "ridiculous" character when he's not. If that tierlist is trustworthy, he has four 6.5 matchups, two 6.0 matchups and the rest are nearly even. How exactly is that ridiculous? Edit: Also, what the hell is up with all these ellipses? I mean seriously, every other post has them.

Okay then. Seriously though, if any of you guys want something to make it into the first post, just let me know now. Any combo, video, explanation etc., tell me and I'll add it.

But but Jojo's is teh awesomeness. Aside from horrible balance, the game has some really solid character design (gameplay-wise) and mechanics. Also, I bet you played Old Joseph. OVADRIVE! I have updated the first post a little bit. If anyone feels that something is missing, just let me know.

I told kousaka that. I think I've just lost interest in CS. Blazblue looks like it needs one more iteration before it can truly be a good game. Also, I guess I will update the thread tonight since I ain't got nothing to do today except play Jojo's, hw and peruse Dustloop.

I does. MattCA Also, for those of you wondering if this game is good or not. I don't know what to say, but these combo videos will show you how much coolioness is stored inside this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si5_S8F3leA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoZ2gQ_wvfo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAQaZwuUSxM < Yeah, there are 24 more of these.

Man, that sig really makes you think. Hmmmm...

I don't get what the big difference between GG and BB is. I don't want to turn this into a GG vs BB thread. But beyond Guilty Gear having far better character design, a much stronger mixup game and more meter management involved, I really don't see any significant differences other than speed. I'm just curious, what exactly does a Blazblue player need to learn when moving over to Guilty Gear besides character specific mixup games?

Blazblue still suffers from bad character design it seems. BB:CT= overall terrible character design BB:CS= overall bad character design BB:CR= overall mediocre character design? I think I'm gonna hold off from Blazblue until BB:CN or BB:CM when they finally have good character design. Also, I am American, I do not mash, I still wins games and not suck completely.

Thanks for answering my questions faultydefense and bucklemyshoe! I guess this means I gotta work on I-No's Bread and Butters, so that I can properly argue with a local player that the execution level in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is higher than Guilty Gear's :bad:.

Just curious, which are the hardest to learn characters or the ones people should avoid most? Also, who has the highest execution requirements?

Yessums, it was very sexay. I'm more of a Dio fan, so these videos were the awesomeness.

At least Guilty Gear doesn't have a character where all you have to do is mash 5A into a combo to win.

Hey ATG, I think you might be interested by this. I figured out the exact life points of all the characters. Just note that I viewed the damage reduction as adding life points to the characters instead of reducing the damage of the opponent's attacks. 176 Old Joseph, Hol Horse, Hol Horse and Boingo, D'bo 155 Jotaro, Abdul, Mariah, Midler, Iggy, Kakyoin, Dio, Shadow Dio, Rubber Soul, Jojo (Young Joseph), Chaka, Anubis Polneraff, Ice, Alessi, Polneraff 140 Khan, New Kakyoin 128 Pet Shop Just for a bit of perspective, Dio's bnb does 83 damage.

I am against premium accounts. All they are are a way for people to extend their e-penises. Also, babby is a word.

Still I just have to say I like really high execution barriers just because of the feeling of satisfaction that one gets from finally being able to do a really hard combo or conquering a really difficult game mechanic. Also, I do feel that difficulty adds to the game and that those who are willing to face it and overcome it will be rewarded for their efforts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPXXNuSBWuo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR0DYkPRNvU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuaayiyUiII&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X__SDzxaEME&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoET9VlHWxg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e0LaYO6xds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEnct7E09JU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XSQnr6nomg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK-Ms8u4jSI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kWgUnZ2Yuw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S745amC8A1M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANwXFtt_zA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXB9j_G-Pw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nJ02s_M50o&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skXKTczgC_4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6991E9MCrns&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4dYOyadfrY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EGW8QNcPrg&feature=related All the videos from a recent a-cho tournament. Good stuff. GOOD STUFF. JOJO'S

Here are some vids from a tournament in Japan in Novemba of 09': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck2gj7MjtZY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua_Lw7kAit4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lBIJ7AsL9s&feature=response_watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72JUpv5TRWM&feature=response_watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pwa9pzdayc&feature=response_watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt6asY7G35g&feature=response_watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Pu_fPNWNE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df97WvrnvN4&feature=response_watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L51TlBR8v_g&feature=response_watch Best moments: http://www.youtube.com/user/Soh85#p/u/108/3vtKTSuDgHA JOJO'S

at this whole thread. Learning the combos of another character will teach you NOTHING about that character. It'll just be a waste of your time. Time you could have used learning the damn matchups. Just look at the best of the best. Name one single top player and tell me you have seen him play more than one character. It's pretty rare that you'll see the best of the best stray from their main character. Why? Because it's a waste of their time to learn another character when they could be getting even better with one character. Don't listen to these fools. Stay with one character and until you have learned every single damn possible thing about that character, should you even consider picking up another character.

Don't keep your hopes up. No top level player in their right mind will ever use j214214D (except for trolling purposes). It's extremely easy to punish, a waste of meter and there are other far better moves to use in the same situations. It might end up in a combo video though (maybe).

That combo is on the first page and it says it fills 100% gauge.

Here HFA, is a question Kousaka posted earlier. Skye answered it earlier, but I would like to see an answer from someone who has had a lot of hands on experience from the game.

Never mind, forget what I've said. Let's not talk about it anymore. I don't want to derail the thread. All I'm saying is that it's preferable when someone asks a question about how to do a combo that someone who is already playing the game to answer the question to prevent misinformation from being spread. I guess it's no big deal though because once I start compiling all of the stuff beyond combos, like notations and timing and good starters and other stuff like that, I'll just split it into sections. So let's just forget what I said and continue the discussion like it was before I said anything.