Niko

I really hated a lot of the arbitrary changes in BBCPEX, but the new Carl is shaping up to look super fun again. Any news if 2D is actually usable again? Actually, is there a comprehensive list of the final Carl changes in BBCF, now that the game's been out in the wild for a bit?

I'm a bit late to the Extend party... Is there an extensive list of all the Carl changes in BBCPEX somewhere? The OP change log in this thread refers to vanilla CP and the Wiki patch notes are not complete (e.g. missing that 6D now slides on hit, allecan no longer working on block, etc.). Thanks!

Carl seems to have lost Con Tenerezza without getting a new special move.

You're assuming that these change logs are complete. Since Carl was considered a top tier character before, I find it highly unlikely that they're giving him nothing but buffs -- I'd expect a lot more changes (including nerfs) to surface once the arcade version of BBCP 2.0 is out.

Definitely doable on a controller -- try mapping D to R1 and let the magic work.

Actually, most of the Japanese Carl mains did, switching to characters like Litchi and Jin because 1.0 Carl had "too many bad matchups to be competitive" in their opinion.

During the early CT days, people listed Carl even below Tager in tier lists. Then the clap loop infinite was discovered.

Carl is definitely strong, but I don't see how a character with such obvious weaknesses can be true god tier -- i.e. better than characters like Kokonoe, Azrael, Litchi, and Rachel -- considering the characters who usually hold that top spot are there precisely because they don't have any big weaknesses. Until we see all the top players switching to Carl, resulting in nee-san mirrors for the majority of grand finals in tournaments (like we have always seen with all the past S tier characters) I'm with Rhistopher and will call these lists SALT. Will be interesting to see how many Carl players will make Top 8 at EVO for one, and how well they will do going forward.

You're giving me ideas. Delicious ideas.

It's the other way around for me. I somehow obtained a fraudulent orange box, and people usually expect me to play better than I do!

Because it's not a strategy you would use on serious opponents or in a tournament setting, so you're essentially communicating "I'm not taking you seriously" to the person you're fighting. If it works, by all means, keep doing it -- you should play to win, and if they can't tech, that's their problem. But at the same time it should be obvious to anyone who isn't completely absorbed in their own personal bubble why using such antics could be considered disrespectful/trolling by the other party.

I believe you're thinking about the network color square by your name. That only ranks up or down from fights against people of the same color (and regardless of the game mode).

The 1.1 patch for the EU version is finally live, as of now!

And one week later, EU version finally gets the 1.1 patch as well. Rejoice!

No news at all, I'm afraid. Is there even any social media outlet for Arc System Works Europe that we could contact to get an estimate? Anything's possible -- the patch might drop next week or we could be waiting for months (just look at how long it took them to release that GGXXAC+R patch outside of Japan...). For now I redownloaded and installed my JP version again, so I can actually play the game online.

You'll never find a tier list that "most people agree on." But the most recent, somewhat official list comes from Arcadia magazine (source) and looks like this: S: Azrael, Kokonoe, Litchi A: All other characters B: Makoto

In before EU version gets no patch this week and I'll have to re-download my JP version to access version 1.1...

Did they forget about Carl's birthday? I thought it was May 5th.

The same tournament had Team Tager tie for third place though... (Gotta admit, I'd love to see how Team Carl went 7-2 against Team Mu-12, considering that's considered to be one of his worst matchups! Does anyone know if recorded videos of the event exist?)

I'd say it's the same for almost all mirror matches, and probably why most people don't enjoy playing them. The reason why I don't like mirror matches is that one of the biggest draws this game has for me is how fundamentally different all the characters are. Everybody with distinct strengths and weaknesses, and there's so many unique matchups. Play a mirror -- any mirror -- and the diversity goes out the window. It feels a bit like "No items, Fox only, FINAL DESTINATION!"

Isn't Kokonoe still considered S-Tier, according to this early 1.1 Arcadia tier list? You'll have to endure more claims of "fraudulent wins," I'm afraid. Does anyone who has the 1.1 Vita version know if the challenges are updated? I figure at least some of them will require some reworking with all these changes (and could be one of the reasons for the delay).

I believe the most recent we heard from a Mori interview was that they're aiming to release the patch sometime in "mid-May" to make the game tournament-ready for EVO.

Musing about how a different person could do a better job or do the same thing for free is pointless, because nobody is doing a better job or doing it for free. This project is actually happening right now, and the only question is whether you think it could help inexperienced players and introduce new blood to the game. It takes nothing to talk down on a man's work -- it's a lot harder to do that work yourself, which is probably why all we see is people complaining and nobody stepping up to do the work themselves. For a small community that's always saying they need more players, there's an awful lot of negativity in this thread.

I'm sure this information is buried somewhere on Dustloop already, but I'd greatly appreciate it if somebody could fill me in on what the inputs for Carl's new distortion drive are. Thanks!

R1 is working pretty well for me.