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To be fair, that Rachel did a lot of weird things, like 5a spam. Sorta reminded me of myself against Tager.

Can we assume that 'Tesla-powered loli' is one of the other reasons? :P

I couldn't help but laugh at that one.

I started with Ragna, went . Moved to Rachel, went . Moved to Nu, went . Then decided I'd stick with the loli, since I liked her character design the most. Took a week or so to learn to play her, though, especially after switching from Nu. So... I sorta went in the opposite direction at first. xD Went from mid-tier up to the top because I was all sorts of scrubby. I still am, mind, but at least I realize I can't actually play Nu well.

It's around 2.5k, if I recall rightly. I'll go find the link in a moment. Edit: Found it. Does less damage than I thought. Ignore the proration percentages. Those are inaccurate. Damages should be correct, though, afaik. Blade has apparently gotten a solid 6k off of TD->BBL or some odd reversal setup, so our supers are still fairly useful, just not after a bunch of prorating moves.

I've actually never seen anyone do (5b 6cdc)x2 before in CT. Not sure if I'm misunderstanding how that works, though. Edit: Oh, I've just never seen it notated like that before. Took me a moment to realize the second c was a j.c. I remember reading that the timing for that was tight in one of the loketests. More stuff I got from poking blade too much~: As it turns out, 5b 5cdc 214b 6dc will combo and will not lift the opponent from the floor. This would imply that 5cdc 214b 6d5b combos are still in, as well, just with very small windows.

Take me with you~! Yes, bring me from Seattle to LA. >_> @lemon: TD doesn't exactly do a lot of damage, it looks like. Depending on what the minimum damage on the move is, I'm not sure that comboing into it like that is worth it. You can probably do about the same amount of damage with a normal combo from that setup. On a somewhat unrelated note, re-frogging people after corner 5cdc->frog->BBL is possible, which means some minor oki ability still exists. It's a trade between damage from BBL and re-frogging, though.

Rachel isn't gdlk anymore!? Zetsubou shitaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Also, make sure to test 3c9d 6c just in case? :D Getting a lot of different answers about that from various people (it's gone, it's still there with really difficult timing, etc.). Blade's mentioned that it seems like it's still there, just really difficult to pull off, so I'm pretty curious, still.

Air Iris crossups are present in a couple of the videos, already, so I'd say it's a very viable thing to do if you've got a pole on your opponent. As for BBL blockstun... it looks about the same in the videos where opponents actually block it. Are 3c9d->6c combos entirely out? Or is it one of those things where we have to make silly changes like, say, 3c8d->6cd, to make it work, now?

Yes. You can also cancel to 2c.

One lobelia would have been the safer choice for comboing into BBL, definitely. That said, the more damage we can do, the better~. If only it had worked.

Oh, it's very nice to see a succesful 3c(1 hit) 236a, finally~. And someone actually use 6b, though he didn't follow it up with 5b or 6c. 5b is, in CT, generally slower on recovery than 6a, so the BBL will whiff in places where you replace 6a with 5b. That said, 6a is slower in CS than in CT, so both might not really be viable options anymore. Need confirmation on that stuff, though, or a video of someone actually landing a late 6a->BBL off of frog.

I've got a bunch of theoretical ways to extend corner frog combos, so as to allow the frog timer to recharge and allow us to re-frog, but there's virtually no way for me to test them. I just spammed them all at Blade (sorry!). >_> In somewhat related news to all this BBL talk, I feel like it's worth mentioning that j.2c is still a viable overhead if you have them on the defense with a pumpkin out. j.2c 1d 5db. Pretty horrible in terms of wind use, though. I don't really see this happening unless we can get some better oki going again, though. Also, just realized this was the video thread. Gah.

It feels like each one of her moves was reviewed by a seperate person, and each person thought that his/her move was a bit overpowered. When they put it all back together, everything was nerfed. But yeah, we'll see.

I'm pretty sure the best you can do now is 5b -> 5cdc -> summon pumpkin -> (delay) 5d/6d -> 5b -> air combo.

Yeah, BBL is a lot less useful than it is in the current game. It does make sense, I'll admit, since BBL allowed Rachel to come back from nearly being perfected and combo straight into a win, but still. To do anything with it, we have to use poles, now, it looks like. XD

So, all the switching to Tsubaka (and other characters) aside.... Does anyone know what the minimum damage that BBL can do is? I'm thinking it's fairly low, since I saw it do around 300-500 damage after a frog combo, but that was during loketests. Referring to this:

Heh, very true. I think we'll work something out for Rachel, though she's still going to be all sorts of crappy. And I only started liking Tsubaka after seing good fanart of her, hahaha. I'm such a simpleton~. And since I was looking for any reason to stop playing Ragna, I'll take it. XD

Maybe it's a Californian thing~. All this stuff considered, I'm going to try to still main Rachel, but I'm definitely going to work on subbing Tsubaki effectively, just in case I can't adapt to the loli's new playstyle effectively.

I think it'll hurt, but we'll probably still be able to play a halfway decent keep-away game with 6b, 6a, and 2c? :8/:

@blade: I was the one asking about 4b. Thanks for the news. Sucks, but not unexpected at all. Also, I wonder if a 5cc wallbounce 6c 3d j.c land (<- is this still necessary?) BBL will work? I know it works off of 6a 6c in CT, but it's a bit weird because of landing positioning. In the CS setup, it sounds like the 6c starts off a bit futher out from the opponent, which might make it... less idiotic to attempt? Argh. Seriously praying this game finds its way to WA soon. I think the guy in our area's going to get stampeded by DL folks, Polka, haha. xD