Nobus3r1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 So in case people here don't leave the Guilty Gear subforum, aren't on Twitter and don't check SRK for news Atlus games just made the following announcement: https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/580532321037774849 I'm curious what people's thoughts are with regards to this if Aksys games made a similar announcement regarding GGXrd. I guess a related question would be if Aksys has the authority to make this kind of call as Atlus apparently does. RWA Announcer 1
Hollysmoke Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 So in case people here don't leave the Guilty Gear subforum, aren't on Twitter and don't check SRK for news Atlus games just made the following announcement: https://twitter.com/AtlusUSA/status/580532321037774849 I'm curious what people's thoughts are with regards to this if Aksys games made a similar announcement regarding GGXrd. I guess a related question would be if Aksys has the authority to make this kind of call as Atlus apparently does. It's the right thing to do; it wouldn't be fair if you release a patch that's accessible to only a handful of people, then say "Oh BTW that content you didn't get to play is what the new standard is" on a global scale. Antaiseito, RWA Announcer, D.R.F. and 1 other 4
Angry Guy of DE Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It makes sense, especially when versions tend to be arcade > console > arcade with console + changes > console with the previous + changes I guess the minimum grace period would be at least a month or two with a sufficient update that affects characters (1.1 update) or one that potentially changes entire gameplay mechanics (2.0 update). I can imagine how hilarious this will be for any players from Japan to have to go back to Ultimax 1.1 when they have been playing 2.0...or we'll just see a lot of S.Chie.
Nobus3r1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It makes sense, especially when versions tend to be arcade > console > arcade with console + changes > console with the previous + changes I guess the minimum grace period would be at least a month or two with a sufficient update that affects characters (1.1 update) or one that potentially changes entire gameplay mechanics (2.0 update). I can imagine how hilarious this will be for any players from Japan to have to go back to Ultimax 1.1 when they have been playing 2.0...or we'll just see a lot of S.Chie. I agree that it makes sense though I think that the grace period should ideally be longer and definitely be variable. For example having a game for one month when your opponent has had it for two is IMO better than having a game for two months if your opponent has had it for six. I'm actually more imagining this doing, at the very least, nothing positive for attendance for P4AU and I hope with regards to GGXrd that an announcement one way or another about what version will be used is coming soon.
Angry Guy of DE Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I see your reasoning with that, it would be better if everyone had as close as possible the same time to learn things but these updates are not released based on Evo. Ultimax is just a few months too late to have 2.0 for Evo since probably even now the current version will have a few tweaks to fix any bugs before it comes to consoles. Xrd again will be too late for 1.1 on since consoles have been out for...it was released on consoles in December right? So really we are about 4-5 months in with this version and 1.1 has barely been a week for arcades in Japan. Even if both were rushed and came to consoles we would probably only have 2-3 months max (and that would hurt arcades since the new updates probably bring in increased revenue) so this year its just unfortunate timing of arcades getting an update only months before Evo. So this year's Evo will be a literal ass-load of basic Elphelts that might get far in pools due to grenade saves and almost no Slayer since 1.1 gave needed buffs.
Hollysmoke Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I see your reasoning with that, it would be better if everyone had as close as possible the same time to learn things but these updates are not released based on Evo. Ultimax is just a few months too late to have 2.0 for Evo since probably even now the current version will have a few tweaks to fix any bugs before it comes to consoles. Xrd again will be too late for 1.1 on since consoles have been out for...it was released on consoles in December right? So really we are about 4-5 months in with this version and 1.1 has barely been a week for arcades in Japan. Even if both were rushed and came to consoles we would probably only have 2-3 months max (and that would hurt arcades since the new updates probably bring in increased revenue) so this year its just unfortunate timing of arcades getting an update only months before Evo. So this year's Evo will be a literal ass-load of basic Elphelts that might get far in pools due to grenade saves and almost no Slayer since 1.1 gave needed buffs. Actually considering the participants, I'd expect we're going to see some godlike Zato/I-No/Sol/Ky mixed in with a few underdog heroes (possibly Bedman and Venom players), but this is just my opinion. "Basic" elphelt players will get blown up at this point. 00000000, AvariceX and RWA Announcer 3
king of heart Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 You do guys realize that Elphelt didn't win any major tournament in the US. Most tournament were being dominated by ElvenShadow's Faust and Marlin Pie's Zato. And with FAB, Hasegawa and Taka coming to Evo. We will see characters like Pot, I-No and Slayer in the top 8. AvariceX, jak d ripr, Antaiseito and 1 other 4
Nobus3r1 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 1) I see your reasoning with that, it would be better if everyone had as close as possible the same time to learn things but these updates are not released based on Evo. 2) Ultimax is just a few months too late to have 2.0 for Evo since probably even now the current version will have a few tweaks to fix any bugs before it comes to consoles. 3) Xrd again will be too late for 1.1 on since consoles have been out for...it was released on consoles in December right? So really we are about 4-5 months in with this version and 1.1 has barely been a week for arcades in Japan. 4) Even if both were rushed and came to consoles we would probably only have 2-3 months max (and that would hurt arcades since the new updates probably bring in increased revenue) so this year its just unfortunate timing of arcades getting an update only months before Evo. 5) So this year's Evo will be a literal ass-load of basic Elphelts that might get far in pools due to grenade saves and almost no Slayer since 1.1 gave needed buffs. I numbered your points to make responses clearer. They really should be or not. It's not my place to tell companies how to run their businesses. I can however point out that not having the update out in time for Evo was cited as a major reason why BB:CP wasn't invited back to Evo this year. I believe Ultimax either just released or is about to release 2.02 (i.e. bug fixes). My overall point was that it didn't have to be too late. We don't know a schedule of anything yet which I why I would hope for a statement from Evo saying either 1.1 is on consoles by XX/XX/2015 or Evolution 2015 will use 1.0. It isn't just this year it's every year with ASW games. Since 2009 there hasn't been an Evo to feature the same ASW game(s) in consecutive years. This IMO hurts the community. This is also, largely, due to the release schedule of updates. I mean I still remember the top 3 for BB:CSII from 2011 where Spark demonstrated some of the best defense I've ever seen in a fighting game. It took three years after that for BlazBlue to get back into the main lineup. And now it's out again because the console version of BB:CPE won't be out until after Evo. Basic? Probably not. Basic gets blown up. That said what that character can do at high levels is pretty unfair. It also doesn't hurt that one of her worst matchups isn't an especially popular character. Actually considering the participants, I'd expect we're going to see some godlike Zato/I-No/Sol/Ky mixed in with a few underdog heroes (possibly Bedman and Venom players), but this is just my opinion. "Basic" elphelt players will get blown up at this point. While I just agreed with you above about basic Ephelt shit getting blown up she can still do some pretty dumb shit to a lot of the cast with just the basics. I think of her like a bouncer. She may not get to go into the club (because it's her job to watch the door) but she can sure as hell keep a lot of other people from getting into the club either. AvariceX and RWA Announcer 2
king of heart Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Just as Mr Wizard said. Guilty Gear is basic Evo game just like Street Fighter and Marvel but it's been a while since there has been a new version of it, so it will be in every evo for years. RWA Announcer, Antaiseito and D.R.F. 3
Hollysmoke Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Elphelt is the gatekeeper of Xrd then I guess. 00000000 and RWA Announcer 2
Dreiko Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 So if not even persona will have its updated balance at Evo I figure Xrd is likely a lost cause since it only just now got the 1.1 patch. I hope I'm proven wrong in time though.
mynus Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It's the right thing to do; it wouldn't be fair if you release a patch that's accessible to only a handful of people, then say "Oh BTW that content you didn't get to play is what the new standard is" on a global scale. Tell that to Harada & Tekken 7. Also besides FAB, Hasegawa, & Taka; Connsome and Koichi are coming to EVO as well. I'm sure Jiyuna, Xie, or Ho-chan will make an official list soon. D.R.F., RWA Announcer, AvariceX and 1 other 4
Hollysmoke Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Tell that to Harada & Tekken 7. Also besides FAB, Hasegawa, & Taka; Connsome and Koichi are coming to EVO as well. I'm sure Jiyuna, Xie, or Ho-chan will make an official list soon. With all those people participating, it's going to be a pretty hype tournament for sure. I hope Mugen comes as well. And Harada is a potato I guess
Nobus3r1 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Tell that to Harada & Tekken 7. Also besides FAB, Hasegawa, & Taka; Connsome and Koichi are coming to EVO as well. I'm sure Jiyuna, Xie, or Ho-chan will make an official list soon. Yeah, it's kind of bullshit that Evo has three games in its lineup that aren't even out yet. More specifically the kind of bullshit that involves an issue that starts with 'm' and rhymes with bunny. It's also the kind of bullshit that wouldn't make me assume anything about the lineup of Evo from one year to the next. Evo 2012 for example had zero anime games in the main lineup. Ouch. Antaiseito and AvariceX 2
TheRealBobMan Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Tell that to Harada & Tekken 7. Also besides FAB, Hasegawa, & Taka; Connsome and Koichi are coming to EVO as well. I'm sure Jiyuna, Xie, or Ho-chan will make an official list soon. Sweet merciful crap. Now I really hope I somehow figure out a way to go to EVO this year. I'd love to meet Koichi. He's kind of the reason that I started playing I-No. RWA Announcer, Orrax and Hollysmoke 3
Hollysmoke Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Sweet merciful crap. Now I really hope I somehow figure out a way to go to EVO this year. I'd love to meet Koichi. He's kind of the reason that I started playing I-No. Try and steal mynus' magic cardigan then have Koichi sign it. Then you shall be tru warrir.
9:02 PM Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 You do guys realize that Elphelt didn't win any major tournament in the US. Most tournament were being dominated by ElvenShadow's Faust and Marlin Pie's Zato. And with FAB, Hasegawa and Taka coming to Evo. We will see characters like Pot, I-No and Slayer in the top 8. There have only been two Xrd majors since it came out in the US, and Elphelt made an extremely strong showing at both. She took second after putting Elvenshadow into losers at frosty faustings (Both Elphelt and console had been released only ~6 weeks prior), had two spots in the top 5 at Final Round, and 4 of the top 24 spots (tied with Millia for the most represented character in top 24). 1-4 was Kazunoko, Marlinpie, Blacksnake, and Elvenshadow. Considering those four players have decades of experience and character knowledge between them, I'd say her tournament results have been well above average. Nobus3r1, RWA Announcer and Angry Guy of DE 3
Coffeeling Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 That can just be lack of experience. I mean, Elphelt is obviously damn strong and much more straightforward than eg. Bedman, but she is still new, and was very new during Frosty Faustings. RWA Announcer 1
Dreiko Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Elphelt is good but she's the kind of char that draws less experienced players (no offense to the obviously amazing El players of course) so that can be why she doesn't make as strong of a showing as she would otherwise. Basically since she's a new character what you have happen is the people whose mains were not in the game (and who don't like Sin/Leo/Ramlethal) all flocked to her since they already weren't interested in playing any of the older returning chars and when you have such a huge playerbase the average skill level will go wayyyyy down as opposed to the skill level of, say, Zato mains who tend to be either really good or really terrible (and it's easier to disregard the really terrible ones and focus on the good ones while when you have a flood of mediocre Elphelt players that sticks in your eye more) but by the same token the good players who now switched to Elphelt were forced to go up against people's years or sometimes decade-old mains using a char that they have had time to work on for only a couple of months so that being the case them doing as well as they did is amazing in and of itself and more than enough showing that she's a very strong and very easy to learn and be good with character. When you have someone good AND easy to learn, people will complain. BladeOfJustice7, RWA Announcer and SynikaL 3
DaiAndOh Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 There have only been two Xrd majors since it came out in the US, and Elphelt made an extremely strong showing at both. She took second after putting Elvenshadow into losers at frosty faustings (Both Elphelt and console had been released only ~6 weeks prior), had two spots in the top 5 at Final Round, and 4 of the top 24 spots (tied with Millia for the most represented character in top 24). 1-4 was Kazunoko, Marlinpie, Blacksnake, and Elvenshadow. Considering those four players have decades of experience and character knowledge between them, I'd say her tournament results have been well above average.KIT? APEX? Winter Brawl? BlackYakuzu94 and RWA Announcer 2
BlackYakuzu94 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 KIT? APEX? Winter Brawl? NEC? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RWA Announcer 1
9:02 PM Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 NEC was the weekend of JP console release, and a week before the US console release. I don't even think they had a singles tournament. Apex and Winter Brawl were awesome, but the pre-reg numbers didn't suggest major status for guilty gear. KiT, you're right. I beg your pardon. However, there were two Elphelts in top eight.
SuperJ Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 i hope arcsys fixes up training mode for the next console patch... i'd like to be able to: - delete recorded slots - change tension levels in larger increments (e.g. 25 at a time) - hide the menu with the select button ideally they'd also do something about the amount of up and down scrolling but those are the big ones imo.
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