Dawn of Musou Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 There is a sideswap route using D Crusader RC>Phantom Pain. Sugi tweeted it out earlier: https://twitter.com/sugi_vs/status/668570609794682880
BlackYakuzu94 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Is there a video demonstrating the combo itself?
Dawn of Musou Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Would have posted it if there was lol.
Dawn of Musou Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) https://www.evernote.com/shard/s668/sh/7e48fd56-70cc-4ab3-99bd-17763780feb0/2982606e59a0cf9dffda4ce1c5fbc31f Remember that combo list I said I was going to do over the weekend? Yeah I kinda went overboard and turned it into a general Naoto overview/guide along with a combo list. I'll be updating it frequently as the game develops. Tooong, put this on the first post pls.  Would also like to talk about some interesting stuff I saw. If you look at Raayu's matches, you'd see that he would do a basic midscreen combo into 3C>214D. You can run up to get pressure after Kaid since it doesn't blow the opponent back too far, but what Raayu did was run up 6C. He did this 4 times, and all 4 times, he crossed up the opponent. The 1st time, he ended up behind Azrael, but Azrael backdashed on wakeup and ended up punishing him. The 2nd time, Raayu ended up behind the Azrael, who decided to use Panzer Strike (his new DP). It easily whiffed and Raayu got the punish. The 3rd time and 4th times, Raayu crossed up and hit the opponent with 6C. Now all the times were when the opponent neutral teched. But I'm thinking this can be something useful to do. 6C has a hitbox both behind and in front of it, so it might be able to catch rolls maybe? Either way, this is something I wanna keep in the back of my head and see if it can be tested. Also, charged Ds literally take like a 1/4th or a 1/3rd of Nirvana's bar. This is going to be hella useful in the Carl matchup Edited November 26, 2015 by Dawn of Musou
Tong Posted November 26, 2015 Author Posted November 26, 2015 OP has been updated with new info provided by @Dawn of Musou, good stuff man! The combo list will be part of the combo thread though, so I left it out. I watched Raayu's matches and there were many instances where he could've used Ddc> EN C Crusader routes. Going for Kaid ender isnt worth off 6A starter, he lost way too much damage. And not really feeling this 6C oki stuff, delay tech/rolls could potentially be an issue.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 It could catch certain rolls depending how low to the ground it is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Tong Posted November 26, 2015 Author Posted November 26, 2015 Maybe as a preemptive AA or to anticipate jump outs, and it seems like only the charged version has a better hitbox for this. I dont think regular 6D has a good hitbox to beat most IADs on reaction. Â
Dawn of Musou Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 17 hours ago, Tong said: OP has been updated with new info provided by @Dawn of Musou, good stuff man! The combo list will be part of the combo thread though, so I left it out. I watched Raayu's matches and there were many instances where he could've used Ddc> EN C Crusader routes. Going for Kaid ender isnt worth off 6A starter, he lost way too much damage. And not really feeling this 6C oki stuff, delay tech/rolls could potentially be an issue. Actually with Ddc from 6A, you get about 2.4K midscreen vs 1.9k using 214D ender which isn't too much of a loss. And tbh I don't really expect too many Naotos to be doing Ddc for combos when it's still week 1 and sugi discovered it like only a few days ago. If they got it down now tho, more power to them. Anyways, I updated my video thread post with Naoto mirrors, Arlequin vs Sugi. Sugi has studied this character since day 1 and is actually the source of like 90% of the Evernote information I got. Arlequin worked together with Sugi on Naoto stuff and helped him develop more optimal combos, so he's pretty knowledgeable too. Basically, they play decently and give you a feel for what you should be doing with him tho the fact that it was mirrors does make it a little wonky. I also saw sugi saying that he hasn't really played against other people cause of how much he was studying combos and stuff, and if you look at his D-card in the video, he does only have like 6 matches so take his play with a grain of salt. Still tho, I saw some interesting stuff. I saw more of the midscreen 214D knockdown>run up 6C from sugi and the more I see it, the more legit it's looking. Tho once again, it was all on neutral tech. Wanna see it against delay tech and rolls to see how legit it is. Then I saw Ddc in pressure. I thought about this idea like day 1 but dismissed it cause I didn't think it was fast enough to be good for pressure. But the way Sugi was using it easily proved me wrong. It looks really fast and solid for pressure. It helps that Ddc>en214A is an easy way to go for Shift Sway crossup. Would also beat DPs since Shift Sway has invul on everything except lows/throws. Hoping more Naotos take advantage of this as the game goes on
Tong Posted December 1, 2015 Author Posted December 1, 2015 I've just noticed that EN 236BB forces crouching, that leads to 236BBC, and since 236BBC leads to good damage it could potentially be a thing.
Tong Posted December 4, 2015 Author Posted December 4, 2015 Watching kaqn's set made me think that EN Kaid could possibly be a decent tool on neutral, thoughts? Looks relatively fast, has decent range and isnt unsafe on block apparently.
Dawn of Musou Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 I've seen it punished on IB a bunch so idk. But it does have solid range and recovery isn't too bad. Might be good to throw out once in a while.
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 It's probably best uses at max range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
BlackYakuzu94 Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 It's probably best uses at max range. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Dawn of Musou Posted December 5, 2015 Posted December 5, 2015 Combo thread made. What's there right now are basically the combos from the Evernote but just organized in a different way, so if you already read them then you're good. Post combos and combo-related things there pls. Â Also how to collapse stuff in a post? It'll make it look more organized
Giggles454 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Just read the evernote, great stuff! Is the 110% Proration on 6A a joke or for reals?
Dawn of Musou Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Afaik it's real. Hella funny lul, tho getting 6A mid-combo does seem to be a bit of work.
Tong Posted December 10, 2015 Author Posted December 10, 2015 Best Naoto I've seen so far, I'm not even kidding lol Out of all Naoto players I've watched, MSR is the one that really took advantage of Naoto's tools and had the best hit confirms.
Ried Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 I'm more impressed with his commitment to not blocking at all against the Nine lol. Like, I legitimately think he only got a block out one single time in the entire match and it was for sure an accident. The dash DP RC cross-up j.B was cool though I guess. Still just wanna know if he can do IAD Inferno Crusader.
Zephyrion22 Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 To be fair, MSR is originally a great Persona (AKihiko) player who recently got into BB. He pretty much plays Naoto like he plays Akihiko, run in, take risks and cash the reward, except Naoto is certainly not as rewarding as Akihiko in this respect. Looks promising in many aspects tough. Just needs to brush up his defense a bit and he will definitely be a notable Naoto !
HK_Solenerro Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 These seem to be some pretty match viable combos. Wonder what you guys think about this vid from Kimikaze's Naoto Credit goes to Jourdal for uploading this on Youtube Â
Volt Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 On 11/12/2015 at 11:15 PM, Ried said: I'm more impressed with his commitment to not blocking at all against the Nine lol. Like, I legitimately think he only got a block out one single time in the entire match and it was for sure an accident. The dash DP RC cross-up j.B was cool though I guess. Still just wanna know if he can do IAD Inferno Crusader. Yeah, he really didn't held back against her.  22 minutes ago, HK_Solenerro said: These seem to be some pretty match viable combos. Wonder what you guys think about this vid from Kimikaze's Naoto   I was so confused by that palette before the first OD combo. Seriously, who thought that was a good idea? Jokes aside, these combos are pretty legit, can easily see some of them being used in real matches, nice find.
Tong Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 Pretty good combos imo, they're nearly optimal and the triple rekka one should be valuable in the future!
Ghost_Emperor Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 my biggest question is do you need to micro dash with this character?
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