Volt Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 3 hours ago, Axiomatic said: .Is this like the Guilty Gear conundrum where Sol killed Order Sol but didn't get Back tot he Future fading away/ erased from existence because of not accepting that death as reality? Cause that shit blew my mind the first time I saw it. Holy Zen! Actually, that was just GG's way to give a middle finger to Mori. Zedar pretty much explained how a Life Link works. If X or Y are alive, both are alive. Why? Plot shenanigans! Now the Kotowari Black Beast is a lot more interesting. I thought the Black Beast couldn't be killed because people couldn't eliminate the seithr with standard weapons, so it either just shrugged it off or regenerated after being hit. I mean, I thought only things like Chrono Phantasmas and other things that resisted the Embryo mind wipe were things outside of the world's logic. (Except for Jin and his Power of Jank Order)
VermilionBird Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 22 minutes ago, Volt said: Now the Kotowari Black Beast is a lot more interesting. I thought the Black Beast couldn't be killed because people couldn't eliminate the seithr with standard weapons, so it either just shrugged it off or regenerated after being hit. Nah. Black Beast exists outside of Logic, which means only things outside of Logic can harm it. Magic is basically the main way to deal damage, but not everyone could learn it, so Ars Magus was made which allowed instant seithr phenomena manipulation for all, and a way to harm the BB since it also exists outside of Logic. Anyway, with Nox's being the ultimate form of Ars, it mainly took the seithr in the air around the BB to function, which is why the weapons are primarily close-combat (with the exception of Bolverk, which can go close range anyway). Just think of it that you need something outside of Logic to harm something outside of Logic. Valkenhayn exists outside of Logic which is why he didn't need a weapon during the Dark War. It could heal from wounds, I mean, it didn't have a gaping hole through it after Take-Mikazuchi landed its first blast.... well it did for a while, but not for long afterwards I believe.
Axiomatic Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 On 1/11/2016 at 7:10 PM, Luminos564 said: However, your hypothesis on the 3 Murakumo ladies gave me my own theory. Now they are templates of Saya, Ragna and Jin's sickly little sis. That I will not dispute. But proceed to think, when was it that units 11, 12 and 13 were created? Before or after was possessed by a creature solely identified as "death incarnate"? I am of course talking about Izanami. After all, the gal took a Time Killer to the face and brushed it off as if it were a speck of dust on her shoulders. Perhaps making templates based on the Saya that got taken over by an otherwise unkillable entity brushed off that very trait to them? Your theory brings up a good question of what time period of Saya was used for the murakumo gank squad. We know for certain that Saya was god-tier at using seither no matter what. There might be other reasons why Terumi decided to kidnap Saya for a "vessel", but someone more familiar with The Wheel of Fortune audio cd would have to clarify the details since it was never fully translated. What we need to know is whether making a copy of Saya after she had Izanami shoved in her improved her base stats/ passed on passive abilities of Izanami. I doubt we have a Jesus/God situation where Saya and the murakumos contain the power of Izanami at the same time. Like mentioned earlier, Izanami did "teach" Relius a technique to just be better in his CP fight with Jin though. So "she" knows way to enhance the capabilities of people. We can't rule out that Saya had some natural affinity that allowed her to be a vessel for the goddess of death, which may have been present in the copies as well. Like, there has to be a reason that they used Saya instead of some other little girl. There something about divinity in Blazblue lore that we don't really know much about. On that topic though, CF introduced several different "gods": 1. Izanami (goddess of death) 2. God of the Embryo [In a CF arcade, I think Terumi's] 3. Seat of God (a whole pantheon Izanami belongs to?)[see Azrael's CF arcade when Nine tells him about Izanami] You can potentially count Amatarasu as a god, but since its a Sankishin unit, I'm not sure that it could really be classfied as a god (it still has god-level powers though) What we need to know is how divinity works in Mori's head. Like the only "god" we are familiar with is Izanami and she didn't have her own body. So are we to assume all god's are incorporeal, body-less entities? Hoping Central Fiction sheds more light on godhood.
FKGunBlaze Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 On 7/1/2016 at 2:09 PM, Tokkan said: At the very least Noel and Mu have definitely become separate people U wot, m8?
ComboFish Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Weird new CG from the new CF Act 2 trailer. Spoiler There were others but I'm lazy. Spoiler Either Ada was a robot all along or Relius did more to her than just stuffing her soul into a Nox.
Poultrygeist Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Are you sure that's Ada? I can see what I assume to be a robotic shoulder with long blonde hair but the image is so dark I can hardly tell.
Zedar90 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Poultrygeist said: Are you sure that's Ada? I can see what I assume to be a robotic shoulder with long blonde hair but the image is so dark I can hardly tell. I'm pretty sure that is Ada being stuffed into Nirvana or something similar. I think this is the closest we have seen of Ada in the games, and the hair is similar. Spoiler If Act 1 was of people desire, I think Act 2 might be about people's traumas.
Poultrygeist Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I brightened it in photoshop and it looks pretty identical to your image. You can see the collar and the cravat and the hair looks spot on. Good catch.
Luminos564 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Speaking of the Clover family, there's even an image of Ignis either detonating something in her hand or is being wrecked herself while Relius watches from behind. Carl also meets Celica at some point and goes on to swat an invisible wasp only he can see. There was also a completely new Drive Emblem. It looks like a bunch of bones strewn together in a sort of ritualistic circle, probably belonging to the mystery character we've yet to have revealed. Some other things I noted: -Mu-12 appears to a kneeling over and crying Noel, seemingly confirming that, at least within the Embryo, they are 2 separate entities as Tokkan pointed out. -Hazama appears to someone with a taunting glee and Amaterasu is behind him. Considering who Hazama is fused with, this strikes me as very odd. Similarly, Terumi is shown being roughed up by Haku-men only for the latter to walk away from him without actually seeming to care that the former still breathes/exists. -These are kind of related, but both Celica and Tsubaki's have some interesting images. Celica is depicted by being surrounded in flames, which could indicate that this is after she confronts Nine. Tsubaki on the other hand is depicted watching over a desolate landscape with a blood red sky. Given the structure it is possible this the land you see Hibiki and Naoto's sprites clash. Why do I bring these 2 up? Because I believe that while Tsubaki was able to see the "truth" (her face shows massive surprise and concern) Celica is instead being shielded/isolated by Nine, likely trying to prevent her from discovering something out for herself. Lastly, there was the single line that flashes after Platinum's image: "There is no truth". Now, ever since CT, the concept of "truth" has always been present in Blazblue. You could very well argue this has been one of the central themes of this franchise. Hell, Terumi made a whole ranting speech about how this world is nothing but lies, which he hates most of all and Nine made claim of an "unchanging truth" that follows Izanami's defeat. So the fact that the opening would put out something like this strikes me as very curious, although we still lack the information to put it into context.
Volt Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Well. Act II drops in Two Weeks. It's like Skullgirls all over again lol. Now that we got an updated arcade opening to utterly dissect, Carl really wasn't lying about having to finish a half-repaired Nirvana with Ada as a power source/core thingy. Suddenly Nightmare Memory makes a whole lot of sense. Poor kid's gonna break when he finds out he's calling his sister a mere weapon while she could still remember everything. Hazama laughing maniacally in front of Amaterasu could mean two things. Either he did manage to fuse back with Terumi and is laughing because Amaterasu is in shanking reach, or he backstabbed Terumi and decided to do his own thing. Considering his Act I ending had Nine actually offering help so he can fulfill his wish, It's really ambiguous. Hakumen beating Terumi and not even bothering to try to kill him this time is kinda funny. Unlike Akuma, he did learn that his ultimate killing move kinda fails at the killing part. Now Mu and Noel existing at the same time is wonky. Even for this series standards. I think the Mu with the Crying Noel scene could be Noel remembering what's going on and Mu remembering her that she already did that stuff and that she should stick to her character development. I mean, come on they actually fought each other in CP's story mode. It could be one of those split-personality hallucinations for plot. But I can't really be sure especially without checking their win quotes against each other. Speaking of quotes, maybe we'll have an update in some intros and match voices. Because seriously, Ragna and Hazama having a vs. theme and not even one specific line to each other mid-fight is just lulzy. And finally, drive emblem with bones in a ritualistic circle? Yep, Izanami's confirmed or Jubei got a weird makeover.
Poultrygeist Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Where are you all seeing this crest at? I didn't watch the trailer except to scour for CGs to pick apart.
Vulcan422 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Just now, Poultrygeist said: Where are you all seeing this crest at? I didn't watch the trailer except to scour for CGs to pick apart. I believe it's when "Act 2 'Nightmare Memory'" shows up
kylehyde Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I'm not really sure what their interactions are going to be like in CF but I was a little disappointed that Ragna and Terumi's rivalry (if you want to call it that) is less significant. It seems Terumi's focus is now more on Hakumen and Trinity. While Ragna has seemingly moved on from Terumi and has his sights solely on the Imperator.
Volt Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Just now, kylehyde said: I'm not really sure what their interactions are going to be like in CF but I was a little disappointed that Ragna and Terumi's rivalry (if you want to call it that) is less significant. It seems Terumi's focus is now more on Hakumen and Trinity. While Ragna has seemingly moved on from Terumi and has his sights solely on the Imperator. Well he whacked Hazama pretty badly in CS, so maybe he thinks it's enough? Or it could be the "Don't hate him" factor and Ragna's just trolling Terumi like Kokonoe in her CP Arcade mode or something. It's not like Izanami's a way bigger threat that's using his sister's body, so it could also be priority issues.
Zedar90 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Poultrygeist said: Where are you all seeing this crest at? I didn't watch the trailer except to scour for CGs to pick apart. Just like it was with Nine's crest in the first opening, it can be seen with the Act title in the opening. Spoiler
Luminos564 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 24 minutes ago, Vulcan422 said: I believe it's when "Act 2 'Nightmare Memory'" shows up What he said. I lack the means to screen capture so this is the best I can do for you :(. 47 minutes ago, Volt said: Hazama laughing maniacally in front of Amaterasu could mean two things. Either he did manage to fuse back with Terumi and is laughing because Amaterasu is in shanking reach, or he backstabbed Terumi and decided to do his own thing. Considering his Act I ending had Nine actually offering help so he can fulfill his wish, It's really ambiguous. I kinda hope it is the latter. It'd be flippin' hilarious for the troll (Terumi) to be out-trolled by his own host body. It would make some sense too since most of the big boy players are no longer concerning themselves with Terumi. Ragna is aiming for Izanami. Haku-men is more concerned with Nine. Rachel is chasing Ragna, Izanami and Nine. Valkenhayn is too busy being Rachel's whipping boy. Hell, even Kokonoe ain't paying attention to him. Talk about a cold shoulder. You'd think killing her mamma and auntie would earn him a lifetime of delicious vitamin D (as in vitamin Devious). 47 minutes ago, Volt said: Now Mu and Noel existing at the same time is wonky. Even for this series standards. I think the Mu with the Crying Noel scene could be Noel remembering what's going on and Mu remembering her that she already did that stuff and that she should stick to her character development. I mean, come on they actually fought each other in CP's story mode. It could be one of those split-personality hallucinations for plot. But I can't really be sure especially without checking their win quotes against each other. Alternatively, they are still fused and Nine is simply donning Mu-12's appearance to mess with Noel for shits and giggles. We know she's capable of changing her looks since she took on Nu-13's form in Ragna's arcade run so it is a possibility. I too prefer the development that Noel went through to acquire and come to terms with her power. It was honestly one of the more touching moments in CP.
Tokkan Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 55 minutes ago, Volt said: But I can't really be sure especially without checking their win quotes against each other. Mu asks Noel why she is "over there", refers to Noel by full name. Relius calls Mu a "chipped off" part of a soul with the "God-killing" power, implying that Mu's soul been split off. His entire winquote against her implies this split has made her weaker but he doesn't find it all that strange; she was, after all, "recycled from defective goods".
Master Of Chaos Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Can anyone translate what's being said in these two images?
Luminos564 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Spoiler Look Tager, I know Noel is cute and all, but this seems highly inappropriate... On a more serious note, what the flying Kakas is going on here? I assume this is a continuation of that image where Tager stands over the bodies of Noel and Kagura. Did we ever get the 411 on that by the way? I swear, it's difficult to keep track of characters that aren't really given the "main character / villain" status in this series.
Zedar90 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 22 minutes ago, Master Of Chaos said: Can anyone translate what's being said in these two images? Spoiler The Hakumen and Nine, I don't know how to translate it, too little context for me to being able to. Celica: H... hey please tell me! Why are you together with those scary people? Are you... really planning on erasing this world?
Tokkan Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 A recent dump of victory screen quotes has given something interesting... Naoto recognised "Hazama". This means that Naoto at the very least has met the Hazama who appeared at the end of BE Part 2.
Volt Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 BE part 3 is going to be crazy, because Mori can't pull all of these things Naoto shouldn't know in one story mode. 57 minutes ago, Luminos564 said: Hide contents Look Tager, I know Noel is cute and all, but this seems highly inappropriate... On a more serious note, what the flying Kakas is going on here? I assume this is a continuation of that image where Tager stands over the bodies of Noel and Kagura. Did we ever get the 411 on that by the way? I swear, it's difficult to keep track of characters that aren't really given the "main character / villain" status in this series. Turns out someone got an upgrade after Blazen! Seriously, Tager's Arcade mode is not going to be pretty to look at. Either something went really, really bad before Nine threw everyone in the embryo or Tager is hallucinating Hibiki-Style.
FKGunBlaze Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Just now, Tokkan said: A recent dump of victory screen quotes has given something interesting... Naoto recognised "Hazama". This means that Naoto at the very least has met the Hazama who appeared at the end of BE Part 2. He came in contact with Valkenhayn and Relius, perplexes Rachel with his ability, and acknowledges Hazama. dis gon b gud, BRUH.
raziel12 Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 it also looked like they changed naoto and ragna fighting image alil naoto is in bloodedge mode and saya seems to have some words at the bottom of her character image too bad they too small to make out
IsItWitty Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 On 1/14/2016 at 0:20 PM, raziel12 said: it also looked like they changed naoto and ragna fighting image alil naoto is in bloodedge mode and saya seems to have some words at the bottom of her character image too bad they too small to make out Yeah, they are pretty hard to see. Wonder what it says.
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