Toxin45 Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Wow so Nine is the phantom of the labyrath as well as the boss for Act 1,Izanami is the boss for act II Nightmare Memory,and Act III has Ragna the replacement Blue.
churchblue Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 We have wait for next month to hear more about Act III stuff. Hopefully, it will explain what is Naoto doing here and what is the connection with Es. I'm still wonder what is the purpose of Es in CF? Didn't she live happily ever after and why only Naoto saw the vision of her?
Tyrant Belial Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 So the first two acts have the boss shown in the Act screen, then surely Act 3 would as well?
JustaMaskedFreak Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 41 minutes ago, Tyrant Belial said: So the first two acts have the boss shown in the Act screen, then surely Act 3 would as well? Many people think there won't be a new character the Act III boss, instead, it will be people fighting each other to have their wishes granted.
kylehyde Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 55 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: Many people think there won't be a new character the Act III boss, instead, it will be people fighting each other to have their wishes granted. That would be anti climactic and a really bad move. I'm not saying it ain't possible, but Mori would be shooting himself in the foot if he went with that. Everyone is pretty much just waiting to see who the 3rd new boss character is gonna be. We can write off Izanami as being the end game since she already got beaten by all in Act 2. Sure she ain't dead, but clearly enough characters have surpassed her in their endings.
MLSTRM Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 8 minutes ago, kylehyde said: Everyone is pretty much just waiting to see who the 3rd new boss character is gonna be. The thing is, CF's story so far is very much based on sets of individual stories, there doesn't seem to be the same kind of banding together that exists in CP/earlier games, so I'm not sure that each thread would really benefit from ending at the same fight. That said there are plenty of unanswered questions still present in what we've seen so far, I just can't see any strong contenders for a single boss character even been implied so far (True Noel is the only one I can see close to it, but I still think that causes way more questions than it answers if that ends up being the act 3 boss)
JustaMaskedFreak Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, MLSTRM said: 18 minutes ago, kylehyde said: That would be anti climactic and a really bad move. I'm not saying it ain't possible, but Mori would be shooting himself in the foot if he went with that. Everyone is pretty much just waiting to see who the 3rd new boss character is gonna be. We can write off Izanami as being the end game since she already got beaten by all in Act 2. Sure she ain't dead, but clearly enough characters have surpassed her in their endings. The thing is, CF's story so far is very much based on sets of individual stories, there doesn't seem to be the same kind of banding together that exists in CP/earlier games, so I'm not sure that each thread would really benefit from ending at the same fight. That said there are plenty of unanswered questions still present in what we've seen so far, I just can't see any strong contenders for a single boss character even been implied so far (True Noel is the only one I can see close to it, but I still think that causes way more questions than it answers if that ends up being the act 3 boss) Plus, it would have shown something during act 3 preview, which didn't show anything "new". Also as MLSTRM said, the Truel Noel being the boss, causes more questions than answers since between the three main characters (Ragna, Jin and Noel) only Jin would want to destroy the Master Unit itself. The other two would bluntly refuse, because Ragna has Issues with Izanami yet, and Noel... well, kinda obvious, don't you think? And you can create a huge list with who wouldn't destroy it and why. Since the only ones that we can see why would destroy the Unit could be Jin, Relius, Izanami and maybe Hazama. Heck, even Terumi doesn't want anymore, because he wants to use the True Noel as a new vessel. It is true that may sound anti climatic and lame the third boss being the characters itselves following their own route, but who said Mori can't add more characters within this situation? Sure it may not be the Act Boss, but it is something.
kylehyde Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Well given that Act 3 is the final piece before story mode reveals everything, I'm not surprised that they didn't make the Act 3 boss known in that short preview. It was like a little teaser to tie you over. We should wait for the legit Act 3 trailer before we assume there is no new Act 3 boss. Look at it like this, True Noel seems to be the victim here not the antagonist. So I think for right now we can at least say she may not play that role. At least maybe a possibility. I ain't gonna get into any Alpha nonsense since that shit is frowned upon here, so if you don't want @Chaoschao222 to lock this thread don't bring Alpha up.
JustaMaskedFreak Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 27 minutes ago, kylehyde said: Well given that Act 3 is the final piece before story mode reveals everything, I'm not surprised that they didn't make the Act 3 boss known in that short preview. It was like a little teaser to tie you over. We should wait for the legit Act 3 trailer before we assume there is no new Act 3 boss. Look at it like this, True Noel seems to be the victim here not the antagonist. So I think for right now we can at least say she may not play that role. At least maybe a possibility. I ain't gonna get into any Alpha nonsense since that shit is frowned upon here, so if you don't want @Chaoschao222 to lock this thread don't bring Alpha up. True about act 3 being the last piece before Story mode, but who said he needs to answer all our questions? Plus I am quite starting to think there won't have much story left to Story mode tell us, with everything that already have been set up. Maybe only Es, Naoto and Amane will have longer issues to show in the console release. True Noel being the victim doesn't mean anything, it could be self-defense. It is a Sankishin, and why couldn't it attack those who harm the unit? Not confirming it will be a boss, but just about the fact we can't just mark True Noel as not being a boss yet.
kylehyde Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 40 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: True about act 3 being the last piece before Story mode, but who said he needs to answer all our questions? Plus I am quite starting to think there won't have much story left to Story mode tell us, with everything that already have been set up. Maybe only Es, Naoto and Amane will have longer issues to show in the console release. True Noel being the victim doesn't mean anything, it could be self-defense. It is a Sankishin, and why couldn't it attack those who harm the unit? Not confirming it will be a boss, but just about the fact we can't just mark True Noel as not being a boss yet. If you've played CP then you know that Arcade mode is just the tip of the iceberg. Mori stated himself that the story will be 3 times larger in CF than CP was. I doubt he was talking about the Acts. I'm just guessing here but I feel like the end of Act 3 will be around the middle of story mode. And I'm just going by the past Blazblue games and their arcade endings compared to the overall story mode. I don't know what your getting at with Mori giving us answers so I'm not gonna answer that. But I will say an Act 3 Trailer will give us more insight as opposed to that preview. Noel could be a boss, I admitted this, but her standing seems to be that she's crucified inside some machine and that's about it. She seems defenseless, injured, hell almost beaten. Is Amaterasu a weapon that can move like Takemikazuchi? I don't know, nothing has shown me as of yet of that being the case other than its appearance being somewhat humanoid but not really.
Chaoschao222 Posted February 26, 2016 Author Posted February 26, 2016 4 hours ago, kylehyde said: I ain't gonna get into any Alpha nonsense since that shit is frowned upon here, so if you don't want @Chaoschao222 to lock this thread don't bring Alpha up. Reminds me to bring up that while no-fun mode has ended for now, that rules have had slight adjustments. They really only pertain to two users, but I'm gonna begin enforcing them all the same now that I've made an announcement of their existence! And maybe Alpha needs her own rule, even though she already basically got her own rule. Damn.
MaximusMurkimus Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 I have this sinking feeling that we're not quite done with Nine and Izanami as threats just because Big Noel is apparently the cause of everything. Sure, they were "defeated" because their role as a boss calls for it, but only Terumi was genre savvy enough to realize Nine was holding back/using a phantom and Izanami had a nice chat with just about everyone who had "beat" her, only getting rekt by Relius, so she's also gonna be around for Act 3, I'm sure. I wonder if anyone will go "wait a minute, this is stupid", and go after them again instead?
JustaMaskedFreak Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 6 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I have this sinking feeling that we're not quite done with Nine and Izanami as threats just because Big Noel is apparently the cause of everything. Sure, they were "defeated" because their role as a boss calls for it, but only Terumi was genre savvy enough to realize Nine was holding back/using a phantom and Izanami had a nice chat with just about everyone who had "beat" her, only getting rekt by Relius, so she's also gonna be around for Act 3, I'm sure. I wonder if anyone will go "wait a minute, this is stupid", and go after them again instead? It obviously gonna happen, since Nine gathered all Nox Nyctoress and Izanami is quite dealing with Relius about her identity right now. However, at this moment, some people will try to kill Noel, while some others to kill Ragna, but no idea about the rest of the cast. The only thing that I want to expect in Act 3 was why Izanami gave a piece of Azure for everyone who defeated her. Most of them.
Toxin45 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Well Ragna is too busy being a wild card at the moment while everyone is currently at each other's throats justamaskedfreak
JustaMaskedFreak Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 24 minutes ago, Toxin45 said: Well Ragna is too busy being a wild card at the moment while everyone is currently at each other's throats justamaskedfreak And what about Azrael and Tsubaki? Both want to kill Ragna.
Toxin45 Posted February 26, 2016 Posted February 26, 2016 Well it seems tsubaki has her own problems with hakumen and herself at the moment and Azrael just want to fight strong people after making a pact with Izanami.Also Ragna is going wild card while allowing everyone to kill each other and more massive reveals.
Yoshirocks92 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Now I'm excited for Act III and I can't wait to see what will happen next, hopefully a little more clues as to why Noel's the Master Unit and why Mu-12's become her own personally.
MaximusMurkimus Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 59 minutes ago, Yoshirocks92 said: Now I'm excited for Act III and I can't wait to see what will happen next, hopefully a little more clues as to why Noel's the Master Unit and why Mu-12's become her own personally. Isn't True Noel completely seperate from the Noel we've been following this whole time? Mu-12 is more directly related to her own creation and development than True Noel.
Yoshirocks92 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said: Isn't True Noel completely seperate from the Noel we've been following this whole time? Mu-12 is more directly related to her own creation and development than True Noel. Most likely but hope Mori could give us an explanation to all this or wait until the console version comes out and we can find out in the story mode.
Ogiga99 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 While we don’t know a lot about Act III, what we’ve seen leads me to believe that people are going to try and kill the Noel Vermillion that’s already playable, not the “True Noel” in the Master Unit (if they even have a singular boss character at all). One of the images shows Kagura protecting Noel from Jin. Jin is one of the few characters who know for a fact that Noel is the cause of the distortions in the world (he saw it from the Azure whereas others just have to take Izanami’s word). Now why would he attack this Noel if “True Noel” is supposed to be his target? If Jin knows to kill Noel and most of the cast are just told “kill Noel Vermillion” (with no mention of “True Noel”) then logically the current Noel is the target everyone will be gunning for. In Mu’s Act II Arcade Hakumen stops attacking her because there are certain steps to take before he can kill her (and the same applies to why Izanami’s death won’t stick). Now what these steps are is unclear but they seem to include killing playable Noel. Us getting a CG of Jin trying to kill Noel means that scene is either after the second-to-last or last fight. If killing Noel is a goal everyone has, then that makes her the most likely candidate for a unifying boss (if there is one). Otherwise most characters will have two of their fights locked by a unifying boss character (having to fight Noel first then “True Noel”) and I can’t see them limiting the story that much. Furthermore just from the CG’s we’ve seen everyone seems to have a lot of distinct fights. Whereas most of the previews for Act II show snippets of the desired worlds, the Act II ones show people fighting (Izayoi vs. Hakumen, Lambda vs. Relius, Amane vs. Valkenhayn and Rachel vs. Naoto) which suggests they all have unique final fights like with CP (also it would fit the previous games’ pattern, two games with united goals ending with a boss character and then a third where everyone starts doing different stuff and fight character’s relevant to their individual stories). 15 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said: I have this sinking feeling that we're not quite done with Nine and Izanami as threats just because Big Noel is apparently the cause of everything. Sure, they were "defeated" because their role as a boss calls for it, but only Terumi was genre savvy enough to realize Nine was holding back/using a phantom and Izanami had a nice chat with just about everyone who had "beat" her, only getting rekt by Relius, so she's also gonna be around for Act 3, I'm sure. I wonder if anyone will go "wait a minute, this is stupid", and go after them again instead? Oh they are definitely not done as the main threats, they're just done as a unifying Arcade boss. There presence in the console story will still be present. The previous boss characters (Nu and Hazama) continue to be major villains to this day so Nine and Izanami have not really been beaten at all. 9 hours ago, JustaMaskedFreak said: It obviously gonna happen, since Nine gathered all Nox Nyctoress and Izanami is quite dealing with Relius about her identity right now. However, at this moment, some people will try to kill Noel, while some others to kill Ragna, but no idea about the rest of the cast. The only thing that I want to expect in Act 3 was why Izanami gave a piece of Azure for everyone who defeated her. Most of them. The implication I've gotten is she wanted to tempt everyone by having them create their desired world but then have to watch it be "lol nope'd" by Noel so that they will try to kill her. As for what people will do, they seem to fit into five general groups. 1: The "definitely won't kill Noel/will protect Noel" camp which consists of Ragna (doing his own thing), Rachel (wants to preserve the current world), Tao (said she would protect the person trying to keep the world the same), Makoto (will NEVER betray her friend), Kagura (we've already seen him protecting her in the preview), Celica (refuses to kill someone for her desires) and Naoto (promised to find a way to save everyone if I remember correctly). 2: The "probably won't kill Noel" camp which is Bang (I can't see him taking an innocent life but I am a little bit on the fence for him since killing her would save Tenjo and Homura), Tsubaki/Izayoi (at least I think so, she's probably learned her lesson about trying to kill Noel and is too focused on Ragna), Amane (chooses to believe in the possibility like Rachel) and Kokonoe (doesn't want the Azure). 3: The "might want to kill Noel" camp which is Litchi (after CP I wouldn't be surprised by any action she takes to try and save Roy, no matter how drastic), Carl (similarly he will take very drastic measures to save Ada), Mu (she seems to be the part of Noel that wants to destroy everything and deep down wants to kill Noel), Valkenhayn (he might go to such lengths for Rachel's sake, even against her wishes), Platinum (they are pretty unstable and going through an identity crisis that could lead them to try to fulfill their wish no matter the cost), Bullet (she really hates the current false world and sounds angry enough about learning of the higher Entitled that she will probably go through with it) and Hibiki (Zedar described it as his killing intent being at max when he learns Kagura will be executed and as an assassin he would kill her). 4: The "definitely will try to kill Noel" camp which consists of Jin (we've already seen him trying to kill her in the preview), Arakune (wants to become a god/the Black Beast and whispers Noel's name over and over when Izanami tells him to kill her so he will try to do it), Hakumen (same as Jin with wanting to destroy the distortion in the world and he tried to kill Mu in Act II), Nu (goes crazy and screams that she will in Act II since she'll kill absolutely anything that gets in the way of her fusing with Ragna), Relius (wants to destroy the Master Unit and make Ignis a new one to create his ideal world), Nine (obvious, she wants to destroy the Master Unit and make a world for Celica) and Izanami (she's the one telling everyone to do this in the first place). 5: Everyone else who either doesn't fit into one of these categories or I don't know what they will do. This group is Noel (for obvious reasons), Tager (I don't think we've got his Arcade translated yet so I'm not sure), Lambda (no idea since she doesn't know about Noel being the head Entitled but she might do it to protect Ragna), Hazama (he sounds interested in the "True Noel" appearing and he's an enigma at the moment but he probably does want her to die eventually), Azrael (doesn't care about Noel or the Azure and just wants to fight a god) and Terumi (he wants to use the Successor to the Azure for some reason so he can't kill her yet). I could be wrong about some of these but that's where I think everyone stands.
Luminos564 Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 Bang definitely wouldn't want to take an innocent girl's life, even if it would benefit his beloved lord and their son. (Ineffective) Ninja though he may be, much of his character lies in his own sense of justice and how unlike the rest of our merry troupe of mass-murdering, morally gray characters, Bang stands as an example of unyielding optimism. He shares that along with Celica (who might as well enter Virgin Mary status from how pure she is) and Taokaka who's all heart and no brains to actually consider killing any version of Lacking Lady. Was he shaken up when Izanami painted a target over Noel's head? Of course. Would he actually go through with it? I have my most sincere doubts, especially considering his CS paths are all about making decisions that are bigger than his personal desires (like vengeance for Tenjo against Jin). In the case of Lamb-chops though, I think she's wholly tied to Ragna. Specifically to protect him. Never does she, technically, interact with Noel/Mu-12 so I doubt she'd have any sort of animosity towards her. Of course, this is muddied somewhat because we don't know what is going on with Lamb-chops right now, aside from her desire to protect Ragna at all costs which drives her to continue fighting even against the warnings of her own survival OS. And speaking of the man in question, I want to take a moment to discuss the new Act III art for him. Why do I wish to bring it up? Because I think there's a subtle foreshadowing being done with it that might allude to the contents. Starting off, Ragna has always had a fierce look in his eyes. In most of the images depicting him, he's always looking straight onward, ready to meet a challenge even if he were severely outclassed. Here however, he's not looking straight but more to the side and upward. His clothing and sword are also damaged (though not excessively), which indicates he must have fought someone yet it wasn't that big a deal for him. So perhaps we can either a). rule out the possibility of him turning Black Beast in this Act or b). speculate that he will grow so much in power that whatever it is that he opted to do in Act III, he should be able to accomplish with relative ease. His face is also not one of anger like in most of his portraits, but one of resolution. I honestly don't ever recall him making that kind of face before and it's the kind that look of a man ready to make a really difficult choice. The Azure Grimoire arm placed over the right side of his chest only seems to signify it further. Finally, we see him in a predominately white background. If you're familiar with some aspects of Eastern cultures, you know that the color white is often associated with death, sadness and mourning. However, I'd like to think that ASW might combine it with elements of the Western side as well, which often associate it with peace, purity and cleanliness. Keeping this in mind, perhaps Ragna's plan ultimately ends in his demise (either physical or spiritual) but at the same time, might lead to his ultimate closure/peace and "purification". What that means in detail I do not know, but if it does work this way, then perhaps I can see it as a satisfying send-off to the character. Especially if this game is supposed to be his last Waltz.
Axiomatic Posted February 27, 2016 Posted February 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Luminos564 said: And speaking of the man in question, I want to take a moment to discuss the new Act III art for him. Why do I wish to bring it up? Because I think there's a subtle foreshadowing being done with it that might allude to the contents. Starting off, Ragna has always had a fierce look in his eyes. In most of the images depicting him, he's always looking straight onward, ready to meet a challenge even if he were severely outclassed. Here however, he's not looking straight but more to the side and upward. His clothing and sword are also damaged (though not excessively), which indicates he must have fought someone yet it wasn't that big a deal for him. So perhaps we can either a). rule out the possibility of him turning Black Beast in this Act or b). speculate that he will grow so much in power that whatever it is that he opted to do in Act III, he should be able to accomplish with relative ease. His face is also not one of anger like in most of his portraits, but one of resolution. I honestly don't ever recall him making that kind of face before and it's the kind that look of a man ready to make a really difficult choice. The Azure Grimoire arm placed over the right side of his chest only seems to signify it further. Finally, we see him in a predominately white background. If you're familiar with some aspects of Eastern cultures, you know that the color white is often associated with death, sadness and mourning. However, I'd like to think that ASW might combine it with elements of the Western side as well, which often associate it with peace, purity and cleanliness. Keeping this in mind, perhaps Ragna's plan ultimately ends in his demise (either physical or spiritual) but at the same time, might lead to his ultimate closure/peace and "purification". What that means in detail I do not know, but if it does work this way, then perhaps I can see it as a satisfying send-off to the character. Especially if this game is supposed to be his last Waltz. Just thought I'd leave this here...(even if its only from Act II) Spoiler
sg1989 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 20 hours ago, Luminos564 said: Bang definitely wouldn't want to take an innocent girl's life, even if it would benefit his beloved lord and their son. (Ineffective) Ninja though he may be, much of his character lies in his own sense of justice and how unlike the rest of our merry troupe of mass-murdering, morally gray characters, Bang stands as an example of unyielding optimism. He shares that along with Celica (who might as well enter Virgin Mary status from how pure she is) and Taokaka who's all heart and no brains to actually consider killing any version of Lacking Lady. Was he shaken up when Izanami painted a target over Noel's head? Of course. Would he actually go through with it? I have my most sincere doubts, especially considering his CS paths are all about making decisions that are bigger than his personal desires (like vengeance for Tenjo against Jin). In the case of Lamb-chops though, I think she's wholly tied to Ragna. Specifically to protect him. Never does she, technically, interact with Noel/Mu-12 so I doubt she'd have any sort of animosity towards her. Of course, this is muddied somewhat because we don't know what is going on with Lamb-chops right now, aside from her desire to protect Ragna at all costs which drives her to continue fighting even against the warnings of her own survival OS. And speaking of the man in question, I want to take a moment to discuss the new Act III art for him. Why do I wish to bring it up? Because I think there's a subtle foreshadowing being done with it that might allude to the contents. Starting off, Ragna has always had a fierce look in his eyes. In most of the images depicting him, he's always looking straight onward, ready to meet a challenge even if he were severely outclassed. Here however, he's not looking straight but more to the side and upward. His clothing and sword are also damaged (though not excessively), which indicates he must have fought someone yet it wasn't that big a deal for him. So perhaps we can either a). rule out the possibility of him turning Black Beast in this Act or b). speculate that he will grow so much in power that whatever it is that he opted to do in Act III, he should be able to accomplish with relative ease. His face is also not one of anger like in most of his portraits, but one of resolution. I honestly don't ever recall him making that kind of face before and it's the kind that look of a man ready to make a really difficult choice. The Azure Grimoire arm placed over the right side of his chest only seems to signify it further. Finally, we see him in a predominately white background. If you're familiar with some aspects of Eastern cultures, you know that the color white is often associated with death, sadness and mourning. However, I'd like to think that ASW might combine it with elements of the Western side as well, which often associate it with peace, purity and cleanliness. Keeping this in mind, perhaps Ragna's plan ultimately ends in his demise (either physical or spiritual) but at the same time, might lead to his ultimate closure/peace and "purification". What that means in detail I do not know, but if it does work this way, then perhaps I can see it as a satisfying send-off to the character. Especially if this game is supposed to be his last Waltz. We have repeatedly seen ragna depicted in a white background bright, although of shoulders. I think that this representation is not tied to one of his probable death (but if ragna die, we must see how long it will take to get back to life XD) But, I could be wrong And if I remember correctly, some characters in the series have been shown in the white background, we must also begin to worry about kagura XD ? (CP arcade illustration) PS: sorry for my bad english
FA-ST Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 Was it actually confirmed that Nine got all the Noxs? As far as I know, all we have is a picture, which is hardly enough without context; it could very well be that she's just explaining what she's planning to do with them, without actually having them yet.
Zedar90 Posted February 28, 2016 Posted February 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, FA-ST said: Was it actually confirmed that Nine got all the Noxs? As far as I know, all we have is a picture, which is hardly enough without context; it could very well be that she's just explaining what she's planning to do with them, without actually having them yet. For now, as far as I know, no it's not confirmed she got them. We have no context to that image at all, since Izanami and Rachel talked about something else when it was shown in the preview.
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