Central Fiction Arcade Plot Discussion (spoilers)

[kofash123]

I have a theory: What if the soul of the Girl inside the Master Unit decided to escape and reside inside Noellers, being enough reason about why she split up with Mu?

[Toxin45]

1 hour ago, ChainRevolver said:

For some reason, Celica emits an aura of being too accomodating to others, and this can lead to being manipulated by others, especially by Relius.

 

Maximus: I think Noel resetting the world to the time where she doesn't exist is too brutal. The Master Unit will be vacant and will put the world in great danger. I am even doubtful if she can do reset up to that extent. Just being able to return as Amaterasu while figuring out this world's mess will suffice.

 

On another note: Who is Tager's final boss in Act 3? What about Makoto, Relius, and Flat...er...Platinum?

 

 

 

My apologizes I sorta snapped and I am a bit crancjy so ragna and two are protecting Noel and Mu while also looking for answers, Jin and hakumen are trying to kill Noel as usual,tsubaki/izayoi is protecting Noel from Jin,bang,Kagura,Makoto,and Celica are protecting Noel,Hibiki is going nuts along with Carl,love arakune is turning into a black beast along with nu,relius wants to use ignis and lamb chops as the new master unit,nine is too busy dealing with her kid,Tager and bullet will probably reunited with both of them protecting Noel,terumi is getting a new body,Hazama is off doing his own thing,Rachel ,Jubei trinity valk and Amane are trying to find a new God to replace the master unit. Also Azrael want to fight gods and black beasts yeah it's gonna be a duzy.

[Volt]

2 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

Oh no, last thing we need is for the game to focus on Celica again. Still haven't forgiven her for being the sole motivation for Ragna's character development in CP.

But let's say she does decide to stuff herself into a divine coffin for all of eternity. Nine will still be utterly pissed and Izanami will still try and destroy the world. 

Saving the world at this point is a pointless effort. If you're not a playable character in CF, chances are you are a pile of seithr goop ala Arakune. The world also appears to be breaking down thanks to this excess of seithr, and the fighting from the remaining characters certainly isn't helping. There's a few scenarios that I feel can lead to a happy ending.

A. Someone gets into the Unit (probably Ragna) and resets everyone into a world with no seithr (therefore checkmating Izanami, Nu, and Relius) and no Ars Magus or Nox Nyctores (checkmating Nine and Hazama/Terumi). The new Unit also resets time back a few decades, leaving Ragna and most of the playable cast able to live peacefully.

B. Noel comes to terms with her true OPFD self and gets into the Unit, resets the timeline to where she doesn't exist; ensuring Ragna/Jin/Saya and most of the cast grow up in peace, just like in that hypothetical light novel scenario.

Either way, I don't see the current status of the world leading to a happy ending; there's just too much collateral damage that has already been inflicted.

 

And Toxin, side-note. Why are you getting so offended at other people's speculation while you constantly post things as fact or jump to unreasonable conclusions based on your own deduction? Not a fan of the imbalance, bro. 

Celica wasn't the sole reason of Ragna's Character Development, he did try to save Noel in CS. Of course, when he figured out Terumi was the only getting her in trouble he had an extra motivation, but at the start, he was searching for Noel.

I liked Celica's role in Ragna's CD. Ragna subconciously wanted to fight for something beyond shoving Blood-Scythe up Terumi's nose, and especially after Rachel's story about the girl with the book, which was the catalyst of his development, Celica presented herself as someone Ragna could protect, throwing a call (back and forward, F time-travel.) to Phase 0.

[Toxin45]

Wait a minute it seems that Act 3 mode has no time reset? Is this true?

[MaximusMurkimus]

10 minutes ago, Volt said:

Celica wasn't the sole reason of Ragna's Character Development, he did try to save Noel in CS. Of course, when he figured out Terumi was the only getting her in trouble he had an extra motivation, but at the start, he was searching for Noel.

I liked Celica's role in Ragna's CD. Ragna subconciously wanted to fight for something beyond shoving Blood-Scythe up Terumi's nose, and especially after Rachel's story about the girl with the book, which was the catalyst of his development, Celica presented herself as someone Ragna could protect, throwing a call (back and forward, F time-travel.) to Phase 0.

She was the reason for him to go "you know, maybe I should stop always acting like a jerk because Celicrap doesn't like it", and a chapter or two later everyone's like "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are", it was the same deal with Jin and Tsubaki, only his was a little more organic since he was unlikable from the get-go. Really Noel had the best development coming to terms with Mu-12, and then CF threw that out the window and now she's meek again, sigh.

In CS Ragna saving Noel was mostly due to Terumi's involvement  (like you mentioned) and the parallels he sees himself in with her, not necessarily because he felt it was the right thing to do. Him suddenly declaring to use his powers for good meant little to me, since everyone he was fighting up to that point was evil af anyway.

[Volt]

1 hour ago, kofash123 said:

I have a theory: What if the soul of the Girl inside the Master Unit decided to escape and reside inside Noellers, being enough reason about why she split up with Mu?

Disproved, Noel herself stated in Act 3 that she split from Mu due to what she saw when she was devoured by Berserk Ragna.

 

3 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

Wait a minute it seems that Act 3 mode has no time reset? Is this true?

What exactly do you mean by Time Reset? Phenomena Interventions? Apparently not, but there was no focus on the Phenomena Interventions, just as Act 1 didn't.

 

Just now, MaximusMurkimus said:

She was the reason for him to go "you know, maybe I should stop always acting like a jerk because Celicrap doesn't like it", and a chapter or two later everyone's like "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are", it was the same deal with Jin and Tsubaki, only his was a little more organic since he was unlikable from the get-go. Really Noel had the best development coming to terms with Mu-12, and then CF threw that out the window and now she's meek again, sigh.

In CS Ragna saving Noel was mostly due to Terumi's involvement  (like you mentioned) and the parallels he sees himself in with her, not necessarily because he felt it was the right thing to do. 

Not exactly. Ragna did apologize to Rachel after he interrupted her story. And everyone said "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are" because he wasn't popping a "Blazblue! Activate!" everytime someone punched him. And as much as I did agree with Noel's development flying through the window, Act 3 made me question that. Her development flying through the window is Mu's point of view. Noel did split because there was something bigger at stake, so I'm going to wait for more information before deciding on whether or not her development got nuked.

I didn't say Ragna saved Noel because it was the right thing to do. I said Ragna fought to save Noel from Terumi. Considering who Ragna was at CT and how CS started, it was a development. But we only started to understand that development at the end of CS.

[1337 H@x0r]

Well...

3 hours ago, ChainRevolver said:

For some reason, Celica emits an aura of being too accomodating to others, and this can lead to being manipulated by others, especially by Relius.

This is why Ragna is there to guard her, to smack the crap of anyone unworthy of Celica's attention.

3 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

Oh no, last thing we need is for the game to focus on Celica again. Still haven't forgiven her for being the sole motivation for Ragna's character development in CP.

But let's say she does decide to stuff herself into a divine coffin for all of eternity. Nine will still be utterly pissed and Izanami will still try and destroy the world. 

Saving the world at this point is a pointless effort. If you're not a playable character in CF, chances are you are a pile of seithr goop ala Arakune. The world also appears to be breaking down thanks to this excess of seithr, and the fighting from the remaining characters certainly isn't helping. There's a few scenarios that I feel can lead to a happy ending.

Celica is a natural anti-Seithr weapon, throw Amaterasu loaded up with that into the Boundary and the whole leaking problems will be fixed.

Personally, I don't think this needs more resets and neither does Ragna. The entitled are nothing more than people with an exceptional strenght of will which allows them to exist whitin the dimension of the Embryo and once the Embryo is undone and Seithr is pulled back into the boundary everyone will revive if they have the will to (just like in End of Evangelion).

Izanami won't exist if Celica becomes Amaterasu because the former is the drive of the current user made manifest, Celica's drive is something about healing and Seithr neutralization so no more death goddesses.

Nine can go suck an egg for being a crazy revenant siscon trying to blow up the world, she deserves such ironic fate for putting Celica above even Kokonoe.

[BlazGearRegalia]

19 minutes ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

She was the reason for him to go "you know, maybe I should stop always acting like a jerk because Celicrap doesn't like it", and a chapter or two later everyone's like "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are", it was the same deal with Jin and Tsubaki, only his was a little more organic since he was unlikable from the get-go. Really Noel had the best development coming to terms with Mu-12, and then CF threw that out the window and now she's meek again, sigh.

In CS Ragna saving Noel was mostly due to Terumi's involvement  (like you mentioned) and the parallels he sees himself in with her, not necessarily because he felt it was the right thing to do. Him suddenly declaring to use his powers for good meant little to me, since everyone he was fighting up to that point was evil af anyway.

4 minutes ago, Volt said:

Disproved, Noel herself stated in Act 3 that she split from Mu due to what she saw when she was devoured by Berserk Ragna.

 

What exactly do you mean by Time Reset? Phenomena Interventions? Apparently not, but there was no focus on the Phenomena Interventions, just as Act 1 didn't.

 

Not exactly. Ragna did apologize to Rachel after he interrupted her story. And everyone said "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are" because he wasn't popping a "Blazblue! Activate!" everytime someone punched him. And as much as I did agree with Noel's development flying through the window, Act 3 made me question that. Her development flying through the window is Mu's point of view. Noel did split because there was something bigger at stake, so I'm going to wait for more information before deciding on whether or not her development got nuked.

I didn't say Ragna saved Noel because it was the right thing to do. I said Ragna fought to save Noel from Terumi. Considering who Ragna was at CT and how CS started, it was a development. But we only started to understand that development at the end of CS.

If I may give my two cents on the matter: At the end of the day, Ragna is doing this all to get Saya. His primary goal throughout the games was to get back Saya, but in every game, there was some issue that got in his way that he had to take the initiative to handle. Whether he's actually grown up or is still in some childish state of mind is something he doesn't exactly let on, and as simple as he may seem, Ragna can potentially be hiding some hidden emotions from everyone. [Hell, I'm still surprised he was still sane throughout CP]

 

But, this is just my own impression on Ragna after everything that's happened so far. What he is is what he is.

[Skull567890]

You know if Platinum won't fork over her Nox, it does raise the question of what Trinity would be able to do. If I recall correctly she had reinforcement magic around her in the novels and is supposedly better at casting barriers than Nine, but how useful is that considering the circumstances? Unless Platinum also poofs up some replica/imitation wand for her to use, what's the difference is she has her body or not? In terms of effectiveness she is the least powerful hero at the moment.

 

[Volt]

2 minutes ago, Skull567890 said:

You know if Platinum won't fork over her Nox, it does raise the question of what Trinity would be able to do. If I recall correctly she had reinforcement magic around her in the novels and is supposedly better at casting barriers than Nine, but how useful is that considering the circumstances? Unless Platinum also poofs up some replica/imitation wand for her to use, what's the difference is she has her body or not? In terms of effectiveness she is the least powerful hero at the moment.

 

Not just at that moment, even during the Dark War, Trinity was the least combat oriented member of the Six Heroes by far, However, she specializes not only in barriers, but all kinds of defensive magic, so she could be somewhat useful.

[Skull567890]

4 minutes ago, Volt said:

Not just at that moment, even during the Dark War, Trinity was the least combat oriented member of the Six Heroes by far, However, she specializes not only in barriers, but all kinds of defensive magic, so she could be somewhat useful.

All defense? I suppose that's useful, but Trinity's stance on the current situation also hasn't been adressed. 3 of the heroes want to destroy the current world for different reasons, Valk is concerned about Rachel 1st and foremost, and Jubei randomly appeared again. There's also still her unresolved conflict over what happened to Nine.

[Volt]

Just now, Skull567890 said:

All defense? I suppose that's useful, but Trinity's stance on the current situation also hasn't been adressed. 3 of the heroes want to destroy the current world for different reasons, Valk is concerned about Rachel 1st and foremost, and Jubei randomly appeared again. There's also still her unresolved conflict over what happened to Nine.

And CP was supposed to be the conclusion of the Six Heroes' story... You make a good point though, Nine is still pretty mad at her for helping Terumi out of Mind Eater. Too bad that without Trinity playable, we don't have a direct interaction between her and Nine during an Arcade mode. Did she speak with her in Jin's Arcade at any point?

Speaking of Arcade modes... Am I the only one who finds it weird that we haven't even heard of a Es announcement trailer yet? I mean, at this point we don't even know what's her Drive, let alone how many Acts her Arcade Mode will have.

[Kenji Harima]

It's time to reply ;o

8 hours ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

Don't forget, Ragna also has a unique attribute to his personality: He can go from being a hero to a downright monster and back. I don't know any other character with a trait like that. And when you think about it, Ragna is very, if not the most, "human" among the cast of characters in the series.

It would probably take the creative thinking of both Mori and Daisuke to come up with a new protagonist that could live up or top Ragna as a character. I don't know about you, but I dare say Ragna has to be one of the best protagonists in gaming history.

I see that you are admiring Ragna a little. You mean this "enraged state"? It seems that he doesn't control himself in this condition: we see it in CP when he was so oppressed for Noel or when he put his anger on Kokone. However archetype of his nature isn't original thing because there are many protagonists who have starded as an anti-hero cause they have lost their families plus/or have been going toward painful experiences.

If there is need to give an example who it's similiar to Ragna in some ways in the world of video games I would say that it's Squall from Final Fantasy VIII or in more hot-tempered way Raziel from Legacy of Kain or generally in pop culture it's Wolverine.

Terumi is for example just more expanded Joker with powers (we have another in Final Fantasy saga -> Kefka).

7 hours ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

But please, no more Noel. After CF I'm convinced the entire story is mostly her fault.

I enjoy Noel as much like as Ragna but not only -> Like I had said in my very first post I am attracted to her (not in weeaboo style of course) so I am expecting a nice ending for her too. It's not her directly her fault, I would say that humanity or better group of humans and their desire for power made this chaos what we have.

It's very curious for me what she experienced in her original lifetime -> it will give an explanation a little why her soul it's so powerful or at least why it has so strong desire to live. I doubt that OPFD gained this soul by luck or an accident when it had contacted with Azure. it seems that all her memory it's somehow sealed (probably by soul or Master Unit itself).  I am afraid if there be a possibility to bring her memories back she will get an another mental crisis. 

I believe that Master Unit isn't necessary factor for world to survive or isn't so important one. In my opinion the key for futher existence it's Azure. Still some souls have a potential to not change into seith if the world will be back to "destroyed state".

I agree with you and Volt that her rejection (?) of Mu was... dumb a little. Lost not only some power but strong ally. They screwed her development.

6 hours ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

We still haven't got a clue as to who build the Sanskishin Units, Take-Mikazuchi and Izayoi, who truly was Clavis Alucard and the role he played in history, were the Gates a natural part of the World or were they build by an unknown faction who knew the Azure existed without them?

I would like to add that we don't even know if they can travel across the space lol. The only being who was in the universe was Take-Mikazuchi. This game has many great elements from various products like time travel, magic, science fantasy, cyberpunk and many others but at least very good that it doesn't have space travel.

58 minutes ago, BlazGearRegalia said:

f I may give my two cents on the matter: At the end of the day, Ragna is doing this all to get Saya.

I agree with you completely.

I wrote in in previous page but I will repeat: not only Terumi's involvement it's the case that he was and still is protecting Noel. He seems to be drive by these resemblence of Saya in Noel. Of course they have a strong attachment to each other but in Ragna case it's easy thing to explain but Noel isn't so obvious (except of Saya(?) memories she developed her own feelings).

11 minutes ago, Skull567890 said:

There's also still her unresolved conflict over what happened to Nine.

Probably Terumi had responsibility in this. The worst that the only person that she is caring now it's a Celica.

 

 

[Ogiga99]

Can we stop the Noel/Celica hate train that has been starting to rear its ugly head before it's too late? We know people single them out as being too important despite how often the major players fluctuate (Rachel went into the background during CS, Terumi didn't do much in CP, Tsubaki suddenly has become a major power thanks to Izayoi and Amane is now top of the "understands everything" food chain) but you don't need to dwell on it just because someone suggests they might do something integral to the plot.

Now there is a lot of stuff I want to respond to so bear with me.

 

Regarding the future of the world, I highly doubt we'll get any kind of world reset, like MaximusMurkimus suggested. What we've seen so far seems to indicate that Ragna, Rachel and Amane's idea is the right choice, not to reset or a create a new world of any kind and simply let the current world continue on being decided by the "possibility" of humanity, with the only remotely godlike action taken being to restore the souls of humanity that became the Embryo. Remember, "LEAVE NO REGRET BEHIND" so don't try to run away from your mistakes and any world you create like this would deny the events that led you to this point, and thus reject who you truly are. Any kind of reset, such as Ragna creating a world without seithr (impossible because all things in the world are literally made of seithr), Noel making herself not exist (which wouldn't change much as seen in Wheel of Fortune) or Celica making a world of happiness (she has too positive a view of everyone to keep all the darkness in everyone, even if the mix of good and bad is what makes people truly human), would be trying to erase what happened and not a true happy ending. The implication is that any world created from the desires of the Entitled, no matter how benevolent it may seem, is inherently selfish since they are choosing their own happiness and world view and imposing it on others. Ragna continuing to live in the Church with Jin and Saya or making the Ikaruga Civil War never happen would mean Noel, Lambda and Nu never exist, any current timeline character's world would still need to be based on the events of the Dark War, so the decimation of half the population and the tragedy of the Six Heroes would still happen. The situation is the same as with Es in Lost: Memories. She kept trying to reset the events so that "nothing happened" but Freaks would still show up and kill all her loved ones. She needed to become an "x factor" to change the events for a better future that leads into the unknown, not try and change events that have already happened by preventing anything bad. Ragna needs to change the ending of the Story of the World that ends without the Girl being saved and leads to Doomsday so the story can continue, not make the story never happen in the first place (the beginning is already set in stone).

 

In response to BlazGearRegalia's questions:

1) We have no idea. It's the biggest unanswered question in Arcade Mode (at least out of the questions we could reasonably expect to be explained). There is no event in the story that implies they are separate and, unlike Noel/Mu or Hazama/Terumi, there is no plausible reason for a split. Act 3 certainly seems to treat them as the same person (Tsubaki's ends with her fighting Jin while Izayoi's begins with her fighting him and the dialogue makes it likely to be a direct continuation with Tsubaki transforming to better fight Jin) but Acts 1 and 2 make it confusing due to the memory shenanigans, with Tsubaki forgetting and Izayoi remembering, and them both facing Nine and Izanami for the first time. Based on everything I know my best guess is that, if they are the same person, her timeline goes Izayoi Act 1 -> Tsubaki Act 1 -> Tsubaki Act 2 -> Izayoi Act 2 -> Tsubaki Act 3 -> Izayoi Act 3. I've said this before but my reasoning is that Jin's line when fighting Tsubaki in Act 1 (that even the Izayoi couldn't protect her from the Embryo) could mean that he first fought her as Izayoi, but the Zero-Type couldn't protect her forever (or she could' t maintain the form indefinitely) and thus lost her memories. It would also explain why Nine has to introduce herself as Nine of the Six Heroes to Izayoi, who only knew her as Phantom, while Tsubaki knew Nine's name as well as her being Phantom (and Nine says it could be "memories from Izayoi," possibly meaning memories from her time as Izayoi, not just the weapon itself). Tsubaki would then go through Act 2, regain her memories, and then return to being Izayoi. At least that's the only way I can make sense of it.

2) Yes, Trinity has her own body. Even without Muchorin, Trinity is still an incredibly skilled mage and alchemist and could hold her own before wielding it. She can use reinforcement magic on her body like Drei to increase her physical strength and is even better than Nine when it comes to barrier magic. Elise has proven to us that proper use of barriers can be incredibly powerful offensive weapons (such as using them to focus a magic blast into a super-powered laser) so she has plenty of options.

3) Hard to say at this point. Jubei and Celica will do their damnedest to stop them and now that Es is confirmed to be involved, Nine is sure to have some second thoughts. There are so many plot points involving the two of them at this point that we can't really tell what will be their greatest focus and what actions they will take.

4) Yes she is. I don't think anything in the world can stop her from doing this (even Roy himself telling her to stop in her Act 3 ending since he willingly chose Arakune as a vessel). At the moment it seems he erased her memories of him a la her CS bad ending but I doubt that will stick. Arakune's pretty much screwed anyway since he's already started transforming into a Black Beast.

 

1 hour ago, MaximusMurkimus said:

She was the reason for him to go "you know, maybe I should stop always acting like a jerk because Celicrap doesn't like it", and a chapter or two later everyone's like "Oh wow Ragna look how grown you are", it was the same deal with Jin and Tsubaki, only his was a little more organic since he was unlikable from the get-go. Really Noel had the best development coming to terms with Mu-12, and then CF threw that out the window and now she's meek again, sigh.

Your Celica hate is blinding you to what actually happened. Ragna was questioning himself even before Celica broke through his shell. He feels like crap after he realizes that his obsession with killing Terumi causes him to hurt Noel by trying to drag her off to find Kushinada's Lynchpin and after Rachel tells the Story of the World (which was obviously meant for him despite her pretending he wasn't there) he wonders if he is the same as the Hero, only able to use his power to destroy. He wants to be better but he doesn't know how and doesn't know what he is fighting for besides revenge. There's also him seeing how much better Kagura is at dealing with these problems and getting his ass-kicked by Jin to help him realize what he's doing doesn't work. All Celica really does is propose a simple idea of what he could fight for (to protect her) which is the key to him figuring that he needs to use his power to protect and save others. Not just her, but everyone he cares about, including Nu. All she does is give him a hint to find out the answer on his own and is one of the people (alongside Rachel, Noel and Tao) who can bring out Ragna's good side, which has been buried there all along, it just doesn't appear very often.

Tsubaki's development is different because you're forgetting all the manipulation and brainwashing that she needed to overcome to realize she was making a mistake. She needed a reminder of what was important to her, not to discover what she should cherish and protect.

As Volt said, Act 3 makes it clear there is more to what is going on with Noel's development than just her being meek and running away. Mu-12 still has all of CP Noel's memories but has the added baggage of being rejected by everyone so Noel is still there, just in a different form. Whatever is going on with Noel is tied into the OPFD and opens up a lot of possibilities that we can't judge with our current limited knowledge.

 

1 hour ago, Volt said:

Disproved, Noel herself stated in Act 3 that she split from Mu due to what she saw when she was devoured by Berserk Ragna.

Not necessarily. We don't know exactly what she saw inside Berserk Ragna. All we are sure of is that she purged the Godslayer power so she wouldn't be able to act as a key to open the gate to the "realm of the gods" but we can't be sure why she can do that. Noel having the OPFD's soul is definitely important and the timing makes sense with the Master Unit's sudden vacancy.

 

1 hour ago, Toxin45 said:

Wait a minute it seems that Act 3 mode has no time reset? Is this true?

I'm guessing this is in response to my question I just asked VermillionBird on his blog. What I mean is that every Arcade mode up until this point has had some kind of plot point to explain why every character's run is canon without causing contradictions. CT had the 100 year timeloop, CS had Takamagahara observing the various possibilities of the Continuum Shift, CP had the retcon war between Amaterasu and Izanami with both of them using Phenomenon Intervention to undo each other's moves that they didn't like, Act 1 had everyone existing in their own "cluster" inside the Embryo with most of them fighting fake versions of characters based on their views and Act 2 had all the worlds starting to intersect but every time an Entitled tried to create their desired world with the Azure Noel would veto it and reset events to the beginning of the Act. Act 3 doesn't seem to have anything like this. There is no Phenomenon Intervention and everyone is in the one version of the Embryo. This is problematic because many endings contradict each other, namely in who collects which Nox. It's possible that there is something undoing events to explain all this but at the very least it is the only time we haven't got an explanation in the Arcade run itself.

 

52 minutes ago, 1337 H@x0r said:

Celica is a natural anti-Seithr weapon, throw Amaterasu loaded up with that into the Boundary and the whole leaking problems will be fixed.

Would Celica even work in the Master Unit? Amaterasu still needs the power of the Azure so I doubt Celica would be capable of Observing the world if she is negating that very power source. Besides the Boundary is infinite. Even she can't do anything about it entering the world through the Gates because the Master Unit stays deep in the center of the Boundary behind the gate to the "realm of the gods." I'm also skeptical that even plugging her into the Master Unit would keep Celica from disappearing. Celica has a temporary soul, a clone of her soul from the Dark War, so it's not technically a real soul. Unlike say Ragna who is just dying, her soul itself is disappearing so even inside Amaterasu it should eventually fade. In Act 2 Amane says he extended her time a little by fighting her, which allowed him to Observe her. Since almost nothing can Observe the Master Unit, she wouldn't even be able to rely on that.

[Skull567890]

5 minutes ago, Volt said:

And CP was supposed to be the conclusion of the Six Heroes' story... You make a good point though, Nine is still pretty mad at her for helping Terumi out of Mind Eater. Too bad that without Trinity playable, we don't have a direct interaction between her and Nine during an Arcade mode. Did she speak with her in Jin's Arcade at any point?

Speaking of Arcade modes... Am I the only one who finds it weird that we haven't even heard of a Es announcement trailer yet? I mean, at this point we don't even know what's her Drive, let alone how many Acts her Arcade Mode will have.

Trinity only popped up at random moments it seems. I don't think she surfaced to even speak to Nine, or if Jin prevented it or whatever. Although with Nine's goal of "gather every Nox", I can't imagine how she'd react if Trinity was still stuck in it. And thanks to clarification Trinity isn't completely useless with her Nox, that's good.

[Skull567890]

That also reminds me, did Nine ever factor in Celica's time limit? Her plan really looks embarrassing once Celica fades away regardless. 

[heavymetalmixer]

Just now, Skull567890 said:

That also reminds me, did Nine ever factor in Celica's time limit? Her plan really looks embarrassing once Celica fades away regardless. 

I don't think she can think straight, she did throw three meteorites to Carl, that's some REALLY CRAZY SHIT.

[Volt]

Just now, heavymetalmixer said:

I don't think she can think straight, she did throw three meteorites to Carl, that's some REALLY CRAZY SHIT.

Not any three meteorites. Three Kunzites of Faceblock. That's a murder attempt right there.

13 minutes ago, Ogiga99 said:

Way too much stuff to quote directly.

Roy didn't intentionally eat Litchi's memories in Act 3. He said something like, "if you remember this, kill this vessel."

Also, what I meant by what Noel saw when she was devoured by Ragna is that she somehow saw that she could open the gate and split from Mu so that Terumi couldn't use her as a key. We don't know what exactly she saw, but that's pretty much what she said, so that's what I was referring to. Since I couldn't remember the details of the summary, I gave myself a margin of error by being a little less specific about what exactly she saw, only that she said she split because of that situation.

[Ogiga99]

2 minutes ago, Skull567890 said:

That also reminds me, did Nine ever factor in Celica's time limit? Her plan really looks embarrassing once Celica fades away regardless. 

Presumably if she recreates the entire world she could revive the real Celica from her timeline. She is pissed that Kokonoe tried to use Celica by making her a Chrono Phantasma so I doubt that piece is necessary to her plan.

 

4 minutes ago, Volt said:

Roy didn't intentionally eat Litchi's memories in Act 3. He said something like, "if you remember this, kill this vessel."

Also, what I meant by what Noel saw when she was devoured by Ragna is that she somehow saw that she could open the gate and split from Mu so that Terumi couldn't use her as a key. We don't know what exactly she saw, but that's pretty much what she said, so that's what I was referring to. Since I couldn't remember the details of the summary, I gave myself a margin of error by being a little less specific about what exactly she saw, only that she said she split because of that situation.

Zedar's summary says "Then Roy tells Litchi that she should go back to being human, and he will continue to research.
And if she remembers this, he tells her to destroy his vessel." Him telling her to go back to being a human and only act if she remembers suggests that he intentionally wanted her to forget him. Either way, what's important is that at the moment she lost her memories.

My issue was that you said the theory was "disproved." As you said, we don't know everything so while you are right about exactly we saw, that doesn't explain why Noel could open the door in the first place. I was saying it's possible the OPFD's soul being inside her is why she could be a key and thus is the reason she had to split.

 

Back to Es for a bit, I have a bit of a theory on her powers. We've assumed that this is Es between CE and LM because of the Azure Eyes, which she got from the Embryo and lost when she became a human). However, what if this is red herring and she has the blue eyes for a different reason. We know Es is guarding the gate in accordance with "the will of the Azure" so that could mean the Azure gave her its power so she could fulfill this role. All of her attacks we've seen so far are made from blue light, something that almost always corresponds to the power of the Azure. Es has access to the True Azure more so than any other character besides possibly Ragna or Mu which is the source of all her new powers. It would also explain what makes such a, according to Amane, "scary gatekeeper." She would be one of, if not the most powerful characters in the series with access to the full power of the Azure s opposed to being incredibly weak and unable to act like she was between CE and LM after creating the World of the Tsukuyomi. This would also give reason for Es to know Nine and Celica and if her sword is indeed the Murakumo, would solve the plot hole of Touya having it when she had the Embryo.

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[Yoshirocks92]

7 hours ago, Zedar90 said:

She's the heroine/third protagonist of the series. One of the faces of the franchises who is supposed to make people interested in it who doesn't care about "dudes".

Off course she is getting special treatment, that is why she is existing in the first place.

Indeed that's true because Noel is the female protagonist\heroine of the series and I'm pretty sure Mori wouldn't kill her off from the story since she's very important in the storyline and for this game now that she's been revealed to be Amaterasu herself, you know things are about to get real. But for me personally, I hope that in the Console Version, Noel's real form gets revealed since as of this point, none of us have seen what her real form looks like but that's what I'm hoping for. 

[JustaMaskedFreak]

Mori wouldn't kill her because he likes her. (I'm not from any hate train, perhaps only Platinum) But yeah, Noel is really important in the story of Blazblue, if not the most. But... hasn't the theory about Noel being Amaterasu disproved?

Continuing here, am I the only one who thinks that Terumi's Act 3 was a little... weird? I mean, he gets his hands in some fancy cube which seems really strong and he will (probably) use to get the Susanoo unit back, plus we never heard of such artifact before (at least, I never heard of it.)

[heavymetalmixer]

2 minutes ago, JustaMaskedFreak said:

Mori wouldn't kill her because he likes her. (I'm not from any hate train, perhaps only Platinum) But yeah, Noel is really important in the story of Blazblue, if not the most. But... hasn't the theory about Noel being Amaterasu disproved?

Continuing here, am I the only one who thinks that Terumi's Act 3 was a little... weird? I mean, he gets his hands in some fancy cube which seems really strong and he will (probably) use to get the Susanoo unit back, plus we never heard of such artifact before (at least, I never heard of it.)

And now he wants to destroy everything instead of getting the real Azure and making a world of despair, trully weird.

[Toxin45]

Terumi said he would use it to get a new better vessel

[BlazGearRegalia]

3 minutes ago, Toxin45 said:

It seems Es became one with the true azure somehow and seems to want make ragna a god.

Well, let's not jump to that conclusion just yet. We don't have much on her tale in CF other than being the guardian of the gate to the realm of the gods. Her attention is on Ragna because as she said, It is the will of the Azure, and we don't know the intentions of the Azure for Ragna. Es does have access to the True Azure, as Ogiga mentioned, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's become one with it.

[BlazGearRegalia]

Oh, another character I want to bring up: Bang.

 

I have a feeling he's gonna tie into trying to save Litchi, but I think he may have to end up putting an end to her and Arakune. I know he wants to save Litchi, but at this point, I think Litchi's corruption has come to the point where it's too late. This would make a great part to wrap up Bang's story in the game, letting him see that some people can't be saved through normal means and that he may have to resort to killing in order to save said person. And I kind of found Litchi and Arakune's story to be some sort of tragic love tale ever since listening to the vocals of Weak Executioner, and their story seems to be heading into some sort of tragic ending.

 

But then again, I'm probably talking crazy, so I wouldn't be surprised if the story of all three goes in a different direction.