The OFFICIAL Guilty Gear Canon Plotline Q & A Thread

[Blade]

@Suzaku: gotta be faster on answers, dude. Also regarding the Superstition in Bridget's village, Twin boys are considered an ill omen in some upper echelon cultures of nobility, this relates directly to heir apparant and the family inheritance as usually the oldest son inherits the estate, this was problematic for twins who could not confirm birth time in seconds' difference (i.e. who was firstborn). Inversely, it is considered great fortune to give birth to twin girls, so as to double the family dowry when they marry.

[Blade]

Seeing as this is a Q&A thread, I thought I'd ask a few questions (seeing as I don't have complete access to Overture). I've really wanted to know exactly the circumstances that led to Ky being elected King of Illuriya. I'm sorry but, an IPF Lieutenant (if he was any higher in rank at all, certainly not commissioner of police) doesn't just become an elected official overnight, even when strings are pulled. What's more, how could he maintain relations with a Gear in the public eye? If Suzaku or Tofu could help explain it, I'd appreciate it.

[Raging Tofu]

I've really wanted to know exactly the circumstances that led to Ky being elected King of Illuriya. I'm sorry but, an IPF Lieutenant (if he was any higher in rank at all, certainly not commissioner of police) doesn't just become an elected official overnight, even when strings are pulled.

Well....

Q10: Ky who up until now was a chief (長官) of the International Police Force appears in the position as the king of the Allied Kingdom Illyuria. Through what sequence of events did he become king (連王)?

A10: Ky is a hero by the Crusades. There was an election at the founding of Illyuria but even compared with the other candidates he received the people’s overwhelming support. That is why he was entrusted with the Illyuria, the city that holds the position of being like the Allied Kingdom’s capital. However, that is only the story on the surface, there is an existence also pulling strings from the shadows. By reason that in any way as a puppet regime, Ky would become king no matter what. The outline is covered in the short story in this book but I would like to do a more detailed version at a later date. (smile)

I don't know where Suzaku's at with the translations of those short stories, you'll have to ask him.

What's more, how could he maintain relations with a Gear in the public eye?

I assume you mean Ky's girlfriend here, so....

Q14: Ky’s wife Lady of the Bower. Does she as an ordinary queen show herself before the public?

A14: She does not show herself. Though Ky says wife, those are only words of his decision, not that they are officially/publically married. That is why, from the public view and knowledge he is unmarried. The existence of the Lady of the Bower is information known only to a small group of the knighthood.

So there you have it.

[Skitz]

I have heard that 'That Man' has three servants working under him from around the forums and as suggested in one of Sol Badguy's endings in Guilty Gear X. I know of I-no and Raven, but who is the third? Was he mentioned at all or is he (she?) still some shadowy figure?

[Suzaku]

It's the guy or girl with the weird cone-head cloak and high heels. Has only been seen in two pieces of artwork:

[Blade]

Suzaku, any progress on the remaining Overture stories, I know you translated That Man's and Raven's...I think Sin, Dr.P, Izuna, Valentine, Sol, and Ky have one, correct me if I'm wrong.

[TheAirCorsair]

This thread is a true lifesaver for anyone who wants to brush up on canon knowledge.

[danceljoy]

I have heard that 'That Man' has three servants working under him from around the forums and as suggested in one of Sol Badguy's endings in Guilty Gear X. I know of I-no and Raven, but who is the third? Was he mentioned at all or is he (she?) still some shadowy figure?

I have a feeling that he's the one who started magic in the GG world...

[Blade]

Though that's pure speculation at this point. Here's data I gathered on That Man's group: --That Man is reversing his age, and as a result must create a backup of his memories periodically. --Raven "Karasu" (Kanji for Crow), is a natural-born immortal whose body is half-dead, modified by some kind of technology, he is nigh incapable of pain or loss of bodily function. He stigmatized himself attempting suicide by driving a spike through his brain. Sol has fried him crispy only for him to come back for more, he also won a dimension battle against Faust. --I-no (according to Raymond) has been able to use complex magic naturally since she was little, though she admits Time Travel is a pain to cast as a spell, she discovered Axl's time travel ability through force of impact and used it on Sol, however, Raven subverted her attempt to kill Sol and brought her back only to be sealed away by Anji. --Nothing known about the 4th person, though judging by stature it might be female we can't be certain.

[Blade]

Additional info on That Man: --Its possible he reconstructed and modified Testament in the aftermath of the first GG. --He considers Dizzy "a daughter of darkness and light", and Valentine "an illegitimate child of a merciless apocalypse", though its speculated their origins may be reversed since Sol comments that He likes to joke around. --At one point he wished to record Solaria's song (her ability to control gears as a command type), though its not known if he obtained the sample. --He wishes to study Kinjuu (Forbidden Beasts based on Gear Technology that serve as Anti-Gear weapons). --He is capable of holding his own against Sol without the aid of his Proteus pods as he demonstrated in GGXX...though its speculated Sol wasn't in Dragon Install when he did so.

[danceljoy]

We should really make a Gearpedia... And That Man seems to know who Dizzy's dad is. Questions: How/Why is Justice's cells the key to the cube? Why don't Baiken and Anji know much about the Japanese in AC? Or they just don't want May to learn?

[TheAirCorsair]

Some random Slayer knowledge: He started the Assassin's Guild to deal with those who considered themselves above the law, and not originally just as weapons to the highest bidder, a purpose that was gradually perverted as time went on. He comes back later to correct this by attempting to disband the guild. He considers just drinking blood from regular people to be fairly filthy behavior, or so he tells Axl. He considers Axl one of his best friends, at least as far as humans go. Due to their respective natures, they both seem "immortal", so he finds a kinship with him. This one is my speculation, but I believe Sharon is the same type of genetic immortal as Raven, due to Slayer's explanation of her abilities. While loneliness, pain, and constant travel have jaded Raven, Sharon likely met Slayer early in her immortality and has been happy to serve as both his eternal companion and "bloodbank" that never runs dry. The true extend of his fighting ability has never, and likely will never be seen, since he seems to have retired as of his AC+ end.

[Blade]

Regarding Justice and the Cube...the algorithm of the cube itself is based on Sol as the prototype, so it would make sense that the first mass production model would be compatible, or at least direct or indirect inheritors, though it comes into question why Valentine needed the key in the first place. Nothing is known beyond that except that the cube seems to serve as a gate to something that could drastically alter the makeup of existence. As for Anji and Baiken, being called Japanese for them is like being called monstrous zoo animals. Its how Nippon are treated in that era, plus its said that misfortune follows Japanese. Its just painful for them to talk about, especially Baiken. On top of this Anji is a thief (stole Zessen) and both are fugitives from Colony. Saying who they are isn't smart.

[Suzaku]

As another note about what the Merciless Apocalypse might refer to: As a young bioinformatics scientist, That Man created an "Apocalypse" theory stipulating that "God's Will" is for races to evolve naturally and correctly, and that races which have "Missing Links" are doomed to extinction. He speculated that Missing Links are, in fact, caused by outside forces who subvert God's Will by altering evolution, such as forcing Species A to evolve directly into Species C, or by turning off Species B. He cautioned againt straying from the path God has laid out, noting that straying from the path would lead to ruin. This worried Aria, but Sol called the theory bullshit and said she shouldn't listen to him. Whatever happened to cause That Man to reverse -- or at least modify -- this theory and carry out the Gear Project is unknown, but if there is to be a "merciless apocalypse", then perhaps he opted for a "merciful apocalypse" instead. Missing Link may also refer to Sol and/or Justice, or otherwise somehow to the plot of the original Guilty Gear (fully titled Guilty Gear: The Missing Link).

[Lou_Cypher]

That Man's intentions now remind me of Warachia's original plan in Melty Blood. You know, knowing when the world ends and wishes to actually make a gamble to stop it from happening?

[Blade]

Something to speculate on from what Suzaku said, if you think of Frederick/Sol as Species A becoming C, its as if he was trying to prove or rather "carve" his point directly into Sol's body. Or at least to expound upon Frederick's disageement of it...his intensions are still rather muddled or perhaps contradictory since it was his efforts that brought Gears to the world as a military force...though I suppose its possible he was undermined by military greed (Cold War Syndrome). There are still other forces at work besides That Man: Soshiki Assassins, Triads/Yakuza/Mafia, Zepp, old world Zepp remnants, companies/research facilities like Blackard, the U.N., the PWAB, alchemy research groups, Black-Tech junkyards, the International Police Force, Sacred Order remnants, Gear havens like Ganymede, subgroups like Jellyfish Pirates, A-Country, refugee colonies, Gear Plants, Yomotsuhirasaka aka Yokai Underworld, Illuria and its allies, and of course elements within and beyond The Backyard and the Cube.

[Blade]

People ask me periodically to give a more solid definition of what Daisuke meant when he said the GGX series is considered "Gaiden" or "Extra". As said before this refers mostly to characters being Canon, but not necessarily the plot. I thought I'd give a prime example: In Guilty Gear XX: The Midnight Carnival, we are introduced to Zappa who basically goes on a wild rampage more or less and has three endings. One in which Faust tells him to go deep into the wilderness and hopefully the spirits will disperse, the second Faust just tells him there's nothing he can do, and third, he gets arrested by Officer Ky Kiske for public disturbance. Considering that, we jump forward to Guilty Gear XX: Accent Core +, where Zappa finds himself in prison. Now, assuming this is the canon part, we now know that it WAS in fact true that Ky arrested him. Poor Zappa. However, here's where it gets interesting. Note the first person Zappa encounters is Faust himself, having opened a Door "inside" Zappa's prison cell...somewhat to comedic effect, however as a result he accently "freed" Zappa from being in prison and thus let him loose upon the world once more. While this logically makes sense, the next part will not. In order for Faust to even be involved in Zappa's storyline, he must choose his B Ending path. The point where this occurs is during the PWAB event where Faust must choose his method of escape, either with an Umbrella or a Door...if he chooses the Door, he ends up by Zappa, which eventually leads down to his B ending of having given Zappa a new face to cure him of his ghost problem. Logically you say this is the B ending, since his A ending ends on a more positive (albeit ambiguous) note. That said, some aspects of A do not coincide with B, and vice versa, so in this case, Faust's A storyline "according to canon logic" would not occur unless he himself were retconned out of Zappa's story, which makes no sense since Zappa would still be in prison. While this does seem rather fitting for a nonsensical pair like Zappa and Faust, understand that this was probably an oversight on the story-writer's part on construction of how Story Mode is supposed to work. So there you have it, the plot may or may not work, or perhaps work in fragments...however, the characters still function to a degree. I hope that clears things up in terms of definition.

[danceljoy]

Ughhh...trying to figure out the most canon parts is such a pain, that's why we need an anime... Anyway, did Ky and Justice really had that "How dare you call me evil!" talk before she dies? I mean, if Ky is present at Justice's death, then he would have known that Sol is a Gear.

[Blade]

I'm assuming most of that was retconned in favor of AC+ Storymode, though Ky's LtA novel touched on it I think, basically Ky didn't witness the aftermath of the fight, probably incapacitated or stayed behind with Kliff in his last moments. As for the conversation itself between Ky and Justice, its sorta like any B Ending, a clue that points to the A Ending.

[Sunnyday]

You know i got a question. I kinda read it somewhere that Johnny and Crow had the same master who train them. I wonder: What happen towards Johnny and Crow's Master? Is he still alive or is he dead? and if he is dead: Than how did he died?

[~Avant~]

Question: Was it ever explicitly stated that Axl's time slips only move him forward in time? Does he ever travel back in time? Or moreover can he travel to any point in time?

[danceljoy]

Question: Was it ever explicitly stated that Axl's time slips only move him forward in time? Does he ever travel back in time? Or moreover can he travel to any point in time?

Axl can travel back in time. One ending with Jam hurled him back to the Crusades, his other ending brought him back to WWI/II. If I remember correctly I saw a GGX illustration where he's fighting a dinosaur.

[Blade]

You know i got a question.

I kinda read it somewhere that Johnny and Crow had the same master who train them.

I wonder: What happen towards Johnny and Crow's Master? Is he still alive or is he dead?

and if he is dead: Than how did he died?

http://dustloop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=360112&postcount=1130

The story seems to be that Johnny and "Crow Kuruwaba" (though he denies it) were former students under Uncho Hirufumi's Iai school, whether it was the same Crow who betrayed the Japanese is unknown, or whether or not he became a medical doctor. What is known is that he was sealed in Dimensional Prison for a time. What's more, in recognition of Johnny's capabilities with a sword, Crow set the Justice-Copy to its maximum setting, though Johnny won regardless...in a way this further illustrates why he can beat the likes of Testament.

[danceljoy]

Questions: 1.Are Sol and Ky left handed, right handed or ambidextrous? (from official art) 2.Is the PWAB a known government branch that's shady or a secret organization waiting to be found? 3.And probably this is a stupid question: How can the GG characters travel from one place to another so fast?

[Raging Tofu]

Answers:

1. Sol is left-handed, Ky is right-handed. This has been determined from official art mostly, but I think Sol's was mentioned in an interview at some point. You can also tell from their game sprites (see GG2).

2. I'm just going to quote this from the Plot FAQ Ed did-

Q. What is the Shuusen Kanrikyoku/Postwar Management Bureau?

A. The Shuusen Kanrikyoku is a mysterious organization that is behind the events of GGXX. According to Ky, they were around during the Holy War (and were not a secret organization then) but were supposed to have been disbanded. They are a separate entity from That Man and his organization, and their goals also seem to be different. During GGXX, their goals seem to be the capture and/or elimination of Gears, those of Japanese descent, and those who can use "ki". Their ultimate goals are unknown.(GGXX)

Before starting the Robo-Ky incident, they were a highly secret organization, possibly having been founded sometime around the end of WWII.

3. Short answer- Airships are fucking fast.