BlazBlue Setting Material Collection Information

[Jam-Kiske]

It is indeed available online.

I guess I can zip it up and put it somewhere for you if no one can find it, let me know.

Cuz I still have it on my computer even though I own the actual book now... >>;

[pktazn]

Just in case for anyone new is reading this... Nirvana and Ada aren't the same. Ada is IN Nirvana but Nirvana was completed a while ago since Nine was the one who created her and it's been stated that Nirvana was used during the Dark War. Relius was "re-modeling" her I guess you could say to a more perfect doll, not than creating her.

(Yes, I'm picky about the way things are worded o___o)

[zephyr07]

It is indeed available online.

I guess I can zip it up and put it somewhere for you if no one can find it, let me know.

Cuz I still have it on my computer even though I own the actual book now... >>;

Nah I got my hands on it already but thanks anyway.

p-kun: yeah saya compatibility was so high it was abnormal. Sister hiding her in a low seither enviornment didn't stop terumi from finding and abducting her though.

[Soothesayer]

I think in order for Hakumen to coexist with Jin in the same space he had to deny his previous existence or something like that, which he ends up doing in his CT story mode.

[smooshman]

I think in order for Hakumen to coexist with Jin in the same space he had to deny his previous existence or something like that, which he ends up doing in his CT story mode.

the reason he can coexist with Jin is because he's not Jin, he's Jin from a different dimension, so he's not the same Jin

[harmless kitten]

- Carl: that he finished Nirvana himself after his dad left the machine half done. Also, it's said in Carl's snippet that BlazBlue is the strongest grimoire. Where is it said again that BlazBlue is the weakest?

Kokonoe says that it's the weakest in the very beginning of Tager's story mode. But she doesn't elaborate on what makes it so weak, so. I'm not sure. The Azure is weird, although I'd certainly trust Kokonoe's judgement over Carl's.

- Saya: that her aptitude with armagus was abnormally high (?), which was why the Sister hid her in a place low in Seiter

That makes sense. It's mentioned Noel has had the highest Armagus aptitude/sync rate ever recorded, with Jin second. Low seithr, I suppose it's because even if Saya came across an Armagus and activated it, it wouldn't have that much fuel.

- Tsubaki: that she secretly fell in love with Jin in the academy. It seems that she cannot express it since it's against her family belief of noble blood (?).

Nooooo my OTP of Tsubaki/Noel. ;_; Family belief of noble blood? You mean she can't express it because Jin is only an adopted noble?

- Hakumen: that he and Jin cannot exist in the same space (?). Thinking about it, Jin and Hakumen never meet in the story, don't they?

Retcon or mistake or it's because Hakumen isn't whole yet. Or maybe, as of the True End, Hakumen and Jin count as different existences now, because Jin no longer has the opportunity to become Hakumen.

If so why didn't Ragna get arm replacement then? In short, I am totally confused with this story.

I have no idea but Ragna does say in his CS arcade that Rachel gave him the Azure so....idk man. Maybe Rachel undid some magical seal or whatever allowing Ragna to go down and actually tear the Beast's arm off and attach it.

And oh god, I know it's heavily implied in his alternate routes but I wasn't actually sure Ragna was alive and aware within the Black Beast...I really hope he went insane or something before Hakumen managed to kill the Beast, because that's just...Gah, Ragna, I'm sorry I'm so fixated with torturing you, you need like a million hugs.

[p-kun]

So, if Relius didn't kill Ada, then how would she have died naturally? She was only around 20 years old or so. And if he was such a perfectionist in his work, then why would he disappear before he finished his work on Nirvana?

I don't know that far. The book doesn't explain that far. Maybe we'll know in CS.

Nah I got my hands on it already but thanks anyway.

p-kun: yeah saya compatibility was so high it was abnormal. Sister hiding her in a low seither enviornment didn't stop terumi from finding and abducting her though.

Since seithr is toxic, maybe that's the reason why Saya is sickly. It's a question though why small kids in orphanage were tested for armagus compatibility. Jin mentioned before to Ragna that "if I remember, you have no talent with armagus" or sth like that, which implies that the siblings were tested or maybe even trained with armagus. The orphanage is really fishy to me right now.

I have no idea but Ragna does say in his CS arcade that Rachel gave him the Azure so....idk man. Maybe Rachel undid some magical seal or whatever allowing Ragna to go down and actually tear the Beast's arm off and attach it.

And oh god, I know it's heavily implied in his alternate routes but I wasn't actually sure Ragna was alive and aware within the Black Beast...I really hope he went insane or something before Hakumen managed to kill the Beast, because that's just...Gah, Ragna, I'm sorry I'm so fixated with torturing you, you need like a million hugs.

I honestly wouldn't take what Rachel says as the truth. She loves withholding info. And Ragna was like possessed during the time, so he might not remember. Rachel drew magic circle at the beginning. The magic circle glowed in blue and then consumed Ragna or sth. But Ragna's condition actually worsened after that. And then a few hours later, Ragna woke up by himself (only the red eye open, I think), dragged himself using his left hand to some black boulder, touched it, and some kind of seal crumbled. And then Ragna was consumed by darkness. Rachel left without watching more. I have no idea when Ragna got his arm back with my poor understanding. But he doesn't seem to have it back by the time he dragged himself to the boulder.

In Hakumen story, considering that it's from POV of Ragna right when Hakumen killed him, he's pretty sane before his death, but it's as if he was on sedative.

Other confusing things I found in the notes:

- Rachel: it's said that she bit Ragna only once, during one of the earliest loop (?). Is this right? If I'm not mistaken, throughout Rachel's story, she didn't bit Ragna, did she?

- Rachel: it's said that the reason she turned Jin into Hakumen is that if otherwise, Ragna could not be re-born . I don't fully understand the logic: is Jin crucial or does she just need sb to use Susano and the sword? I really need some clarification here.

- Litchi: it's said that her meeting her panda is a mystery. Where is it said again that Laochu is from the boundary?

- Black Beast DNA: it's said that there are artificial humans made from the DNA. Is this ever mentioned in the game? I am starting to suspect that the siblings are the artificial humans mentioned here, or maybe Saya clone series.

Other snippets that I found:

- Tao needs 15 hours of sleep a day. Kaka kitties are all around the same level of intelligence of Tao - aka. forgetting things after 3 steps.

- Kokonoe rarely sleeps, so she constantly eats special candies to get energy.

- Among the Saya clones that Ragna destroyed, only Nu and 2 others managed to be human. The rest didn't even look human. (No wonder Ragna was repulsed with NOL)

- Ragna automatically absorbs life force of humans around him, which is why he avoids contact with people (he has no hope in getting "normal" relationship, poor guy)

- Tager has a self-destruct function courtesy of Kokonoe. Of course Tager doesn't know this himself. Tager is structured like Nirvana so whenever they meet, they resonate. Is this "resonance" ever described in the game?

Sorry for all the questions. I'm hoping that sb with good grasp Japanese can shed a light since knowing sth wrong is worse than not knowing.

[sesame]

random answers without quoting:

Rachel hates 'sucking blood' she think it's a low-sort of doing.

so she only bit ragna to 'save him'

But ragna's arm

came from the 'wall' behind him(in Short story)

Rachel have nothing to do with it. Rachel just made sure 'Ragna wont die from shock"

The church is said(presumed to be the burial ground for the black beast's remain)

- Rachel: it's said that the reason she turned Jin into Hakumen is that if otherwise, Ragna could not be re-born . I don't fully understand the logic: is Jin crucial or does she just need sb to use Susano and the sword? I really need some clarification here.

(the following are all from inference from either the story, or short story in game)

l Believe Rachel had to turn Jin into Hakumen to kill "black beast"

so that Ragna can reincarnate into his 'human form'

(and they mentioned that Jin's the only one that can be in the Susano-o unit)

technically

ragna's the 'human reincarnation of the black beast's soul.

(and there fore without his 'body' and 'heart' he's just a soul.

but with those, he'll be the beast.

so if rachel don't make jin haku, Ragna's soul will be stuck in black beast's body.

and therefore "Ragna" wont exist in the next timeloop.

(or more like, erased from existence.)

- Litchi: it's said that her meeting her panda is a mystery. Where is it said again that Laochu is from the boundary?

Material collections mentioned that panda's not "a regular animal", but doesnt say he's from the boundary

Laocho's not really 'from the boundary';

but litchi have 'in touch' with the boundary.

- Black Beast DNA: it's said that there are artificial humans made from the DNA. Is this ever mentioned in the game? I am starting to suspect that the siblings are the artificial humans mentioned here, or maybe Saya clone series.

as far as i can remember, it's only mentioned in the material collection.

But i would believe the Nu series have the black beast gene to sustain the 'heart' of the black beast.

[SethDahlios]

I believe that when they explain Litchi's drive they mention Laochu is the thing she came back from the boundry with. I forget if its in the instruction manual or not, I gotta find mine first...

EDIT: Disclaimer, I found this from Wikipedia, so source is questionable...

At some point she took an object from the Boundary, her panda hairpiece named Lao Jiu. It acts as an amplifier of Seithr, and seems to allow her control over her staff.

[harmless kitten]

Since seithr is toxic, maybe that's the reason why Saya is sickly. It's a question though why small kids in orphanage were tested for armagus compatibility. Jin mentioned before to Ragna that "if I remember, you have no talent with armagus" or sth like that, which implies that the siblings were tested or maybe even trained with armagus. The orphanage is really fishy to me right now.

Seithr is only toxic in large doses, and you say Saya was deliberately placed in a low-level seithr environment...although it might have still exaggerated her weakness or she might have been hypersensitive to it.

Jin says, "I didn't think you had the aptitude to use Armagus. Or does it have something to do with that Azure Grimoire?"

I honestly wouldn't take what Rachel says as the truth. She loves withholding info. And Ragna was like possessed during the time, so he might not remember. Rachel drew magic circle at the beginning. The magic circle glowed in blue and then consumed Ragna or sth. But Ragna's condition actually worsened after that. And then a few hours later, Ragna woke up by himself (only the red eye open, I think), dragged himself using his left hand to some black boulder, touched it, and some kind of seal crumbled. And then Ragna was consumed by darkness. Rachel left without watching more. I have no idea when Ragna got his arm back with my poor understanding. But he doesn't seem to have it back by the time he dragged himself to the boulder.

Oh, I see. Maybe the Azure (sealed up in the bolder, maybe?) fixed him by attaching itself to him? It's magic, I don't know.

In Hakumen story, considering that it's from POV of Ragna right when Hakumen killed him, he's pretty sane before his death, but it's as if he was on sedative.

Oh thank god, I was thinking that the story took place in 1/1/2100 and he was aware of the ten years the Black Beast rampaged and was forced to live through all of that.

Other confusing things I found in the notes:

- Rachel: it's said that she bit Ragna only once, during one of the earliest loop (?). Is this right? If I'm not mistaken, throughout Rachel's story, she didn't bit Ragna, did she?

Rachel talks about biting Ragna in her arcade. Although she does imply that it only happened once ("The day I sunk my fangs into an innocent, helpless human. The day I had no choice but to act as the vampire I am. My first and last…sweet, sweet sin…"), so yeah, that would be the first loop.

Litchi: it's said that her meeting her panda is a mystery. Where is it said again that Laochu is from the boundary?

News to me. If anything it seemed Laojiu had a purifying effect ("Lao Jiu is doing his best, but I guess it's spreading faster than I anticipated.") to me.

Black Beast DNA: it's said that there are artificial humans made from the DNA. Is this ever mentioned in the game? I am starting to suspect that the siblings are the artificial humans mentioned here, or maybe Saya clone series.

Pretty sure it's not? I certainly don't remember anything like that. It would explain quite a bit if they were though.

Tager has a self-destruct function courtesy of Kokonoe. Of course Tager doesn't know this himself. Tager is structured like Nirvana so whenever they meet, they resonate. Is this "resonance" ever described in the game?

I don't think so, unless it's in arcade, although Carl wonders if Adavana came of her own free will. And he says they feel similar, in that they don't really feel like a person. But I don't see any mention of resonance.

And honestly, I for one welcome your questions and translations, because holy shit this info is awesome.

[p-kun]

Rachel talks about biting Ragna in her arcade. Although she does imply that it only happened once ("The day I sunk my fangs into an innocent, helpless human. The day I had no choice but to act as the vampire I am. My first and last…sweet, sweet sin…"), so yeah, that would be the first loop.

I was under impression that she bit him once per loop which was why I doubted myself. Oh well, I guess that's my mistake. Doesn't this mean than the current loop Ragna is not half-vampire?

random answers without quoting:

Rachel hates 'sucking blood' she think it's a low-sort of doing.

so she only bit ragna to 'save him'

But ragna's arm

came from the 'wall' behind him(in Short story)

Rachel have nothing to do with it. Rachel just made sure 'Ragna wont die from shock"

The church is said(presumed to be the burial ground for the black beast's remain)

(the following are all from inference from either the story, or short story in game)

l Believe Rachel had to turn Jin into Hakumen to kill "black beast"

so that Ragna can reincarnate into his 'human form'

(and they mentioned that Jin's the only one that can be in the Susano-o unit)

technically

ragna's the 'human reincarnation of the black beast's soul.

(and there fore without his 'body' and 'heart' he's just a soul.

but with those, he'll be the beast.

so if rachel don't make jin haku, Ragna's soul will be stuck in black beast's body.

and therefore "Ragna" wont exist in the next timeloop.

(or more like, erased from existence.)

The fact that Black Beast has to die first for Ragna to be reborn is odd, no? I mean Hakumen doesn't need to die for Jin to be reborn. This is the one factor that made me think that Ragna is artificial human from Black Beast DNA. But anyway, it's just speculation.

As for Hakumen, why is it only Jin can become Hakumen?

[pktazn]

Ooo so much info popped up while I was studying and splicing videos :o

Thanks for all the translations btw! :D

Well I don't know why Jin can only become Hakumen but Terumi was in the Susano'o unit before Jin. So I think it was stated or speculated somewhere here in BB gen that in the very first time-loop Terumi was "Hakumen".

[harmless kitten]

Yeah, it seems ambiguous. I thought the same at first until I read your post.

It's his ~destiny~, or something. Or it might just be a compatibility thing. You can't just stuff anyone into the Susanoo Unit, it requires a special type of person. Jin probably ISN'T the only person at that time to be able to use it (he's certainly not the only one to ever use it, look at Terumi), but why use someone else when Jin's there with a very valid reason to devote his life to hunting down the Beast? Either way, the answer is magic.

[sesame]

Probably because Jin's existence is not in a 'loop'..but ragna's is?.....

and maybe cus Hakumen got throw into the boundary? (that place is said to be separate from time and space)

^ they mentioned it somewhere

maybe ...terumi/hazama's not stable inside that unit......or something.......

that i don't remember where i read from, maybe the Japanese bbs.

and in the material collection it's also mentioned that the timeloop consist the time they are in the church.

but then it wouldn't make sense cus that means Rachel have to bite him 'every time' it loops.

so i donno..................

there's bugs in the material collection....

(for godsake the first print even have a very big mistake on the pictures LOL)

and i don't even know what's true anymore.....

so yea.

>_>

*waits for CS next week*

[Wolt]

Is all of this new info in the Material Collection? Some of this doesn't make much sense. If Ragna needed to be reincarnated into human flesh, that would mean he started out as the Black Beast and isn't a real person.

How are people supposed to know this? Nothing important ever gets translated.

[pktazn]

I think some of it is speculation/interpretation coming from the Material Collection information...

And I'm pretty sure Suzaku translated a shit-ton of important info :/

[Wolt]

Well of course but theres a lot of this info on the last few pages that has never been presented before me and I check this topic and the storyline thread almost religiously.

[harmless kitten]

To be fair, BlazBlue isn't the only series that releases a book on its plot and details. I just wish it would be officially translated, but I don't think there's enough interest for that, sadly.

Is there going to be a new Material Collection released after CS or is this the only one for a while?

[pktazn]

There will probably be a CS material collection released a bit after the CS console (to give people time to actually go through the game most likely) but yea so far all we have is the CT one.

[Wolt]

We haven't even gotten the first one done, god only knows what the second will contain. I'm praying it gives us the meaning of life, but hey, that's just me.

[Suzaku]

^P-kun

Here's part of Haku's story......

It's in BLACK BEAST AKA Ragna's POV...........................

....i did it quite a while ago.....

Its pitch black

I don’t understand, but

All I could see is black.

Low, very low, I could hear a growl.

Like the ground rumbling, low, a very deep voice.

When I came to, the voice has stopped.

It’s so quiet it almost hurt my ears.

Utter silence.

Is there sound or isn’t there sound

Maybe my ears are broken

I don’t understand.

Am I standing or am I sitting

Or maybe I’m even floating.

When I try to open my eyes, my eyelids feel heavy.

Somehow they opened

Surrounding me, that, everything seems to be covered in a blue haze,

I can’t feel anything but light is forcing itself into my eyes.

Still, it’s like a fantasy inside a dream…….

For the first time,

I realized -----my own existence.

Am I alive?

Ah, I am alive……

Do I have a heart or not I don’t understand but,

I feel I’m alive.

Because, I can feel the beating...............

i didn't finish cus i was on the brink of bursting out in tears.(gah what a fangirl LOL)

(it's bout midway. (actually, 1/3..........))

I guess i'll try to finish now since........i posted it )

...

gave me a few more days i should be able to finish?

Haha, you translated almost the exact same amount of it that I did.

Here's my own (incomplete) translation:

Hakumen Short Story

Innocent Black

Written by: Takeshi Yamanaka, Art by: Yuuki Katou (Arc System Works)

Translation by: Suzaku (dustloop.com)

It was pitch black.

I couldn't understand it, but...

To my eyes everything was utterly black.

I could hear the groaning of a low, dreadfully low, voice.

It was like the low, dreadfully low, sound of a tremor through the earth.

When I came to my senses, the sound stopped.

The place became so quiet that my ears began to ache.

It was truly silent.

Whether or not there was sound...

Or if I'd perhaps gone deaf...

I couldn't tell.

I was either standing or sitting...

Or perhaps floating.

Even if I tried opening my eyes, my eyelids grew heavy.

When I somehow managed to open them...

I got the sense that I was veiled in some sort of blue haze,

and light shined in like something I'd never felt before.

It was a fantastic vision, as if from a dream...

Thus, for the first time,

—I have become aware of my own existance.

Perhaps I should finish it up. I feel like I should also finish up the glossary and relationship chart in the variety section, at least. Then I'd have everything from pages 131-139 completely translated.

I'll have to make some time to do that here pretty soon, I guess, with CS Console right around the corner...

[sesame]

LOOL so you want to finish it then, Suzaku?..

cus if you want to work on the other pages i don't mind helping with this short story...(and give it to ya for corrections later haha)

LOL@ almost the same amount HAHHAA..

[zephyr07]

Did tsubaki's bio:

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Tsubaki Yayoi: A upright and honest girl who upholds her family teachings. Roomates with Noel Vermillion at the Military Academy, she now works for the Libarium as a soldier. Because she was raised as a lady of war from young, she values loyalty and devotion. In the vein of a bow, she has a very dilligent and rather unflexible personality. Although she's very stubborn, she's also very helpful, and people around her have lots of faith and confidence in her. Although she and Jin come from the 12 families, the Yayoi and the Kisaragi clans emphasise their different blood purity. Only after entering the Academy did she start harbouring secret thoughts of becoming closer to Jin, but as of the end of the story she has been ordered to assasinate both Jin and Noel.

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can someone help me with that underlined phrase? I'm sure there's another meaning to it but I'm not getting it. Also I think there's an official translation for the 12 families but right now I can't remember.

[SethDahlios]

It could be something on the lines of, in a traditional standpoint or something...

Then again I don't speak japanese so I can't say...

[Re4L14124c]

it's probably a metaphor to a bow's ability to resist flexing (which is why a bow works), right?