BlazBlue Setting Material Collection Information

[p-kun]

It's Kushinada's lynchpin. It's meant to be powered by Caelica (and would have killed her), and as of phase 0 it was in Shuuichirou's old lab.

I looked at the dictionary and a lynchpin is supposed to be the center part of a wheel. Why would a weapon be called lynchpin?

I think it was mentioned earlier on as various things that interfere with causality?

Or it could be like those abilities in activating grimoired whenever someone says, "Dimensional interference field deployed."

So you are saying that Jin can reject any ars/magic?

I think the most interesting part is that despite Jin being billed as Ragna's greatest enemy, power of order actually counters observers rather than Ragna himself. It is said that the stronger the chaos, the stronger the power of order. We used to think that chaos = Black beast/Ragna but it seems that chaos refers to whatever mess observers create by creating things that should not exist to begin with. Now the question is whether Jin can erase things that exist from the very beginning. For example, a movie with CG. Jin might be able to erase characters or phenomenon created by CG, but it's not clear from the material collection if he can erase real humans or items. In short, Jin is Ragna's greatest enemy only if Ragna/Black Beast is a CG. But if this is the case, who is Ragna's observer?

The description of seithr and grimoires suggests that BB world is like a Virtual Reality.

Have the other grimoires appeared yet? I thought Kokonoe said that the Azure was actually the weakest of all the grimoires.

Azure Grimoire is the strongest of all grimoires. We have seen a lot of grimoires. All ars use one, which means, all weapons and machines (except Sector Seven ones, which are powered by Nuke, IIRC) contain one.

Edited October 11, 2011 by p-kun

[Tong]

I think "Grimoires" are actually codes(Restriction 666 released, stuff like that) that dictate how Seithr behaves and since it seems to be some sort of nanomachine, the proper Code will make the Seithr around the invoker react somehow.

Though, I also believe that one needs to possess some sort of Hardware or catalyst to summon any spell.

In that case, I/we have no idea of how Hazama's Grimoire looks like, since Ragna's is obviously his right arm.

[zephyr07]

I looked at the dictionary and a lynchpin is supposed to be the center part of a wheel. Why would a weapon be called lynchpin?

The 2nd meaning. Not the literal lynchpin, but the vital thing holding everything together.

[Suzaku]

The term lynchpin just commonly means "the most crucial part of the plan", the thing that everything revolves around. The kanji 楔 (kadoi) basically seems to just refer to any sort of wedge that can be jammed into something to either hold it together or pry it apart. http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/くさび

Grimoires have codes inscribed on them that can be used to activate ars magus (ars). Ars were developed by Nine, and they essentially use science to manipulate seither in order to produce the same kinds of effects as magic.

Grimoires don't have to take on the form of books. There are also weapons, armor, and other artifacts that are technically classified as grimoires, and those are known as ars armagus (armagus). Izayoi and all of the Nox Nyctores are armagus.

Seithr being particle-based shouldn't be too surprising, given, that the Japanese name is styled like a chemical element. I believe Arakune called it that in his CS2 story (in the English translation it's called a particle-type phenomenon).

According to the CT Material Collection, a phenomena intervention is an action that violates and interferes with existence or matter. It refers to an "observation" of "phenomena" by someone with "will".

As far as I can understand, it refers to any sort of action that intentionally violates reality or causality, which I assume generally means changing 'fate' or causing 'distortions'. The Takamagahara system seems to consider itself responsible for detecting, preventing, or repairing the effects of "phenomena interventions", and seeks to recreate the world without the distortions caused by Master Unit's incalculable level of "phenomena intervention".

Edited October 13, 2011 by Suzaku

[Tong]

So, Ourobouros is Hazama's Azure?

And Mu's her tiara?

[naoku]

actually tager was an ikaruga ninja. thats why he gets flashes of memories from when he was human everytime he sees hazama and thats why bang seems so familiar to him. he died way after the church incident

[naoku]

Very interesting stuff, thanks for these TLs!

Anyway, I think Ragna's motive for the stuff is either personal or has a purpose, probably because Rachel ou Jubei told him something about the horrific experiments.

well its like this his sister Saya is being cloned over and over and being made into the prime field devices ie the Murokumos. If the Murokumos "unite" with Ragna they can become another black beast or a more powerful Murokumo

[naoku]

It's confirmed that Ookami's only confirmed ability is to negate armagus.

Although considering the way that Haku-men speaks in CT confrontations with Rachel, and the result it had on Nu-13 and Ragna it also appears to be capable of killing "things that can't be killed ".

It's also worth noting that Haku-men hasn't actually used Ookami's true powers as of yet according to BBCS' Kokonoe skit.

Actually your ALMOST correct. Ookami's effect is it cuts through anything magical IE ars magus. it also stops anything that heals people unnaturally. this includes - Hazama, Ragna, Rachel, and anything that heals in general. You could compare Ookami to like an ultimate nullifier

[naoku]

I bet Ragna is Bloodedge, and in future installments, he will travel back in time to fight some other massively evil thing. and the wierd thing is, this might be a vaguely valid guess. but hey, I'm a noob.

Ragna is Bloodedge. And not at the same time. Remember in calamity trigger how Ragna kept dying over and over and Rachel was talking about it always being the same. Thats cuz the Ragna we all no and stab is actually the 400 something Ragna. Takamagahara has actually ended the world a few times and "Rebooted it" and they tried to again at the end of calamity trigger but rachel pulled out the tsukiyomi unit and said FUCK YOU to stop it from being destroyed. and in a weird way Terumi is responsible for ragnas birth. and the sister that took care of Ragna, Jin, and Saya was actually Mercury "nines sister, kokonoe's aunt"

[naoku]

Ragna's Drive is named Soul Eater.

The Azure Grimoire devours souls.

Blood Kain enhances the power of Ragna's drive.

HMMM.

Ragna does have an unused quote where he says something like, "I'm not suckin' your blood 'cause it tastes good!" but really, given the information from Rachel's material collection story, you could make an argument that Ragna isn't a vampire at all. Not even half. He lacks the needle teeth Rachel has too.

Yes and do you know why it absorbs souls? Because Ragna/Bloodedge is the black beast

[Vulcan422]

Sir, the edit button exists for a reason. Like so.

EDIT: All of your posts are information everybody already knows. No offense, but you just restated the obvious.

[KiraX]

Told yea, I am correct about the flow of a story. Now, I am raring to see this story on anime adaptation.

[KiraX]

On my opinion, Noel and Nu are the ones that actually merged and became the "Black Beast" instead. But, during the aftermath, Ragna lost his memories. It happened, because Noel leapt toward Ragna and touch each other, absorbing Ragna's memories. That is why he lost his memories.

[Master Of Chaos]

What

[KiraX]

This just leads two one question. How the hell does Nu and Ragna become the Black Beast if in the true ending if Ragna is saved by Noel(? I can't really remember)? Does this just mean that there are two time lines that exist one with Ragna falling in and one without?

On my opinion, Noel and Nu are the ones that actually merged and became the "Black Beast" instead. But, during the aftermath, Ragna lost his memories. It happened, because Noel leapt toward Ragna and touch each other, absorbing Ragna's memories. That is why he lost his memories and caused Noel saw distortions from her mind that she didn't knew whose memories are going through her brain.

Edited September 7, 2013 by KiraX

[KiraX]

Not only Ragna and Nu are falling in the Cauldron, but also Noel. Noel has contact to Nu-13, so instead of Ragna turning into Black Beast, it appears to be her. But how the Black Beast appeared twice?

It is just a simple question. Actually, Ragna traveled through time twice. One is he falls into Cauldron with Nu and Noel. The other is with Noel, not Nu. (Calamity Trigger Final Chapter). That's why Ragna didn't appeared on that storyline. But, after the fall of the Black Beast, Ragna and Noel came back to the present time. (This is not opinion, It's a FACT).

Other thing, Noel is the Nox Nyctores called "KUSANAGI". On the past, based on Suichiro's Log, it appeared that, KUSANAGI is the thing that they're experimenting, not the MURAKUMO. Murakumo is just a piece of Kusanagi, same that of a fragment that is on Ragna's.

(REMEMBERING THIS TRIGGERED THE BATTLE OF ITACHI VS NAGATO, ITACHI SUMMONS SUSANO'O EQUIPPED WITH KUSANAGI)

Edited September 7, 2013 by KiraX

[KiraX]

Not only Ragna and Nu are falling in the Cauldron, but also Noel. Noel has contact to Nu-13, so instead of Ragna turning into Black Beast, it appears to be her. But how the Black Beast appeared twice?

It is just a simple question. Actually, Ragna traveled through time twice. One is he falls into Cauldron with Nu and Noel. The other is with Noel, not Nu. (Calamity Trigger Final Chapter). That's why Ragna didn't appeared on that storyline. But, after the fall of the Black Beast, Ragna and Noel came back to the present time. (This is not opinion, It's a FACT).

Other thing, Noel is the Nox Nyctores called "KUSANAGI". On the past, based on Suichiro's Log, it appeared that, KUSANAGI is the thing that they're experimenting, not the MURAKUMO. Murakumo is just a piece of Kusanagi, same that of a fragment that is on Ragna's.

(REMEMBERING THIS TRIGGERED THE BATTLE OF ITACHI VS NAGATO, ITACHI SUMMONS SUSANO'O EQUIPPED WITH KUSANAGI)

Another thing, KUSANAGI is the Nox Nyctores that has Azure Grimoire. Azure Grimoire is a powerful force that can pull seals from the wielder. The thing used by ITACHI, SO, I WONDER BLAZBLUE MAYBE NARUTO'S FINALE CHAPTER. TSK...

[Chaoschao222]

This thread has long since served its purpose, and is meant to be an info dump, not... seemingly odd opinions and speculations, so this thread is now closed until/unless Suzaku PMs me with more to add.