ZONG_one Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Nah. When I lose to Jin, it's because I hold up+back to block vs him.... THIS! I'm a big fan of opening my matches with 7]D[ When he opens with his super fuckin' range anti-air, I get hit EVERY time.
Prophet Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Prophet, we can play when I get home tonight. Prolly wont be for long, but still, I luuuuuuuurrve Carl dittos. I'm on, if you're ready. Sorry about that, I had school tonight. I'd love to play you though, Carl dittos feel like chess to me, and I love chess. Unfortunately they don't happen to often, I've only run into one Carl I could beat, and it was close. From everything that I had heard, I was under the impression that the dustloop community was a bunch of elitist jerks, but you guys have been really nice and helpful. I've really only visited here to look up combos and frame data (Faust, Carl) so I never really got into the community any. Thanks for helping out the new guy!
FoxstepCEO Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 GG last night ZONG_one, you're the first DL person I ever played online, unless hadooklet posts on DL too, but either way, hope to bump into you guys in the future
4Corners Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 Sorry about that, I had school tonight. I'd love to play you though, Carl dittos feel like chess to me, and I love chess. Unfortunately they don't happen to often, I've only run into one Carl I could beat, and it was close. From everything that I had heard, I was under the impression that the dustloop community was a bunch of elitist jerks, but you guys have been really nice and helpful. I've really only visited here to look up combos and frame data (Faust, Carl) so I never really got into the community any. Thanks for helping out the new guy! DL is pretty chill. Or, at least, the subforums for my characters are. Zappa+Carl players are too cool. Rachel players are kinda mean, though. =( I feel ya on Carl dittos feeling like Chess. Actually, a lot of his matches feel that way. I wish he'd gone with either a full-blown chess theme, or music. Ohwell. Anyway, I need to renew my XBL before we can play, so you might wanna hit up people that suck with Carl (Zoogs, Kyle, etc) to get the basics before you fight my magnificent Carl. Joking aside, I really want to play Zoogs+Kyle again. As soon as he finishes with that stick and I get XBL, I say we have a room for Carl dittos. :D
ZONG_one Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 GG last night ZONG_one, you're the first DL person I ever played online...BLAH Yeah good game! Joking aside, I really want to play Zoogs+Kyle again. As soon as he finishes with that stick and I get XBL, I say we have a room for Carl dittos. :D Room for Carl Dittos! Oh, how I wish I had a 360 right now.
Prophet Posted September 30, 2009 Posted September 30, 2009 DL is pretty chill. Or, at least, the subforums for my characters are. Zappa+Carl players are too cool. Rachel players are kinda mean, though. =( I feel ya on Carl dittos feeling like Chess. Actually, a lot of his matches feel that way. I wish he'd gone with either a full-blown chess theme, or music. Ohwell. Anyway, I need to renew my XBL before we can play, so you might wanna hit up people that suck with Carl (Zoogs, Kyle, etc) to get the basics before you fight my magnificent Carl. Joking aside, I really want to play Zoogs+Kyle again. As soon as he finishes with that stick and I get XBL, I say we have a room for Carl dittos. :D Sounds good to me!
Mikachiru Posted September 30, 2009 Author Posted September 30, 2009 Joking aside, I really want to play Zoogs+Kyle again. As soon as he finishes with that stick and I get XBL, I say we have a room for Carl dittos. :D ...That's why I made the CCSG...
4Corners Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 GGs, prophet. I wrote up a 30 minute critique, and then DL ate it. Sooooooo I wrote a 10 minute one, aaand DL did it again. I'm not too happy, and shit's happening at home, so I'll just give you basic pointers. I might go more in-depth later. 1) Learn your combos/loops/the infinite 2) Learn when to tech the throw loop, and when not to. I dunno if the summon trick works or not, since I dun get to fight Carl much. 3) Dun take my colour. D:< 4) Be more patient. You rush in blindly waaaaaay too much. 5) Don't panic. You throw out random moves, and have a nasty habit of wasting your meter if you're almost dead. Noooooo good, esp with all the things Carl can do when he has meter. Gear super is good, but it's not a good desperation super. 6) Watch Nirvana's health. I noticed that if I fought her instead of you, the matches became a little too easy. Don't throw her out in the cold. Get her back, she's got yours. 7) Block a LOT more, and learn when to block what with what. Particularly, remember to barrier things like SRKs, 6as, etc. This was a really big problem when you fought my Ragna, since I was able to just throw out uppers all day without you blocking them>me dying. 8) Don't let the taste of blood get you crazy. Back off when you find yourself relying on the opponent guessing wrong in order for you to continue a combo/pressure string. If it's not safe, it's not safe, no matter how much life you have. Matches can turn around crazy fast with Carl. Make sure they go in your favour. GGs, though! Get those combos down, first, then I can really start to nitpick your Carl. Also, learn to work with and without Nirvana. If your robot is dead, go into full-fledged Storm mode. Run away ALL day, lock them in the corner with super, and randomly use allegretto to stall in the air. Make them a little afraid by snagging them with a karacan iad>gear super, but don't follow it up. You're just burning time until Nirvana comes back. No need to get super aggro, esp considering that even my solo Carl combos rarely break 2.5k. I love playing Solo Carl soooooo much, though. Just got done stomping Ragna's yard without my sister's help. Is fun.
Prophet Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 GGs, prophet. I wrote up a 30 minute critique, and then DL ate it. Sooooooo I wrote a 10 minute one, aaand DL did it again. I'm not too happy, and shit's happening at home, so I'll just give you basic pointers. I might go more in-depth later. 1) Learn your combos/loops/the infinite 2) Learn when to tech the throw loop, and when not to. I dunno if the summon trick works or not, since I dun get to fight Carl much. 3) Dun take my colour. D:< 4) Be more patient. You rush in blindly waaaaaay too much. 5) Don't panic. You throw out random moves, and have a nasty habit of wasting your meter if you're almost dead. Noooooo good, esp with all the things Carl can do when he has meter. Gear super is good, but it's not a good desperation super. 6) Watch Nirvana's health. I noticed that if I fought her instead of you, the matches became a little too easy. Don't throw her out in the cold. Get her back, she's got yours. 7) Block a LOT more, and learn when to block what with what. Particularly, remember to barrier things like SRKs, 6as, etc. This was a really big problem when you fought my Ragna, since I was able to just throw out uppers all day without you blocking them>me dying. 8) Don't let the taste of blood get you crazy. Back off when you find yourself relying on the opponent guessing wrong in order for you to continue a combo/pressure string. If it's not safe, it's not safe, no matter how much life you have. Matches can turn around crazy fast with Carl. Make sure they go in your favour. GGs, though! Get those combos down, first, then I can really start to nitpick your Carl. Also, learn to work with and without Nirvana. If your robot is dead, go into full-fledged Storm mode. Run away ALL day, lock them in the corner with super, and randomly use allegretto to stall in the air. Make them a little afraid by snagging them with a karacan iad>gear super, but don't follow it up. You're just burning time until Nirvana comes back. No need to get super aggro, esp considering that even my solo Carl combos rarely break 2.5k. I love playing Solo Carl soooooo much, though. Just got done stomping Ragna's yard without my sister's help. Is fun. Thanks alot! I'm going to save this as a document and print one out so I can refer to it whenever I need to. I really need to sit down and just work on basic combos till it becomes a muscle memory type of thing, it just gets kind of frustrating after an hour or so and I still haven't done 1 repetition of the basic ground loop. Also I never meant to take your color (red+white right) whenever it ended up giving me that I was trying to pick yellow+white. That wasn't working so I switched to green (my second fav). Thanks a bunch for the matches, I saved them all as references for later. Hope I didn't bore you with my poor playing.
feri Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 So I take it people are taking this seirously? I couldn't imagen trying to 'improve' playing carl online. I would infact heavily avoid playing Carl online as to not ruin all my cues for combos or getting used to doing them early. And people eating things from me that they probably wouldn't have had it been offline.... like say 6c... lol. I guess this is an alternative to recording local matches and uploading them for viewing/critique.
Zoogstin Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 In the end it depends on your local comp. I for instance have a very strong fighting community in my state. Its just that most everybody here dislikes BB or were simply disappointed in it while wishing it was a better game.
4Corners Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 lol @ dun take my colour. No joke, I was liek =( The first time Then D: the second Then D:< the third I can't use start, and red+white is the only good colour combo you can get using face buttons. I raged a little inside. Thanks alot! I'm going to save this as a document and print one out so I can refer to it whenever I need to. I really need to sit down and just work on basic combos till it becomes a muscle memory type of thing, it just gets kind of frustrating after an hour or so and I still haven't done 1 repetition of the basic ground loop. Also I never meant to take your color (red+white right) whenever it ended up giving me that I was trying to pick yellow+white. That wasn't working so I switched to green (my second fav). Thanks a bunch for the matches, I saved them all as references for later. Hope I didn't bore you with my poor playing. Lmfao, I wonder why it gave you mine and me yours. I was waaaaaaaaaaaay confused. Umm... some tips for ground loop: 1) 6d has more hitstun than you think it does. The way I think of timing it is halfway through whatever ground move is ending my string, I start 6d up. Wait before you start the ground combo up again. Also, the rhythm for the 2nd most damaging ground loop (j.c, 5b, 5c, 6d)*n is similar to the faster "Fah who for-aze!/dah dores" parts from "Welcome Christmas" Not even joking. Learn the timing for that one, and all the others become REALLY easy. Just have Nirvana attack earlier, and continue the combo with Carl a little later. 2) An input trick I use is right after I press 5c, I move the stick forward and release D. If you've ever worked with a guitar, it's kinda like doing a hammer on/pull off. Also, learn this combo: Nirvana-Carl-Opp ...5a,5b,6b,6d+vivace, 2a>ground/throw loops. Prorates like hell, but it sandwiches them, drops pretty quickly, leads into loops/crazy resets. It wasn't boring, I was worried about you getting frustrated/annoyed though. Also, after playing Nu vs Carl for the first time, all I can say is wow... It's really hard to pin the little brat down. So I take it people are taking this seirously? I couldn't imagen trying to 'improve' playing carl online. I would infact heavily avoid playing Carl online as to not ruin all my cues for combos or getting used to doing them early. And people eating things from me that they probably wouldn't have had it been offline.... like say 6c... lol. I guess this is an alternative to recording local matches and uploading them for viewing/critique. Eh, depends on your connection, and how you're willing to play. It's a GREAT tool for seeing new tricks and teaching beginners. For gauging skill, tho, it's no good. I still go for all the super-technical stuff and don't change my timing to compensate for lag, so I drop a fair deal of combos, but it doesn't really effect my non-online play. It's also great for learning to play calm. If you can cool yourself down after eating 4k from a Ragna overhead that you KNOW you blocked, then you're pretty much set. Bonus points for remaining calm after you bait a Rachel into doing something stupid, only to not block and eat 6k damage+corner lockdown.
Mikachiru Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Ta-da. Mika wins. Sorry to peepz post who got deleted. =( Yahs! I'll try to update as much as I can. HOW DARE YOU DO THAT TO ME, KYLE?!? AFTER ALL WE'VE BEEN THROUGH! AL;JFDL;J;LKEJL; <3 Kyle plays favorites...? Should I add more info to the first post since our threads were combined or not?
Mikachiru Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Kyle, I leave for like two days and this happens. XD Where are all the PSN players...?
Kyle Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Let's give it a few days to settle and let people update their info again. Definatley going to update those post in a few days.
4Corners Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Any names that you don't already have listed, go ahead and add. That's pretty much it. Thanks, Kyle! And thanks Mika for letting me volunteer you!
Mikachiru Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Any names that you don't already have listed, go ahead and add. That's pretty much it. Thanks, Kyle! And thanks Mika for letting me volunteer you! Then I'll add ZONG (against his will). I don't wanna be the only PSN Carl player...
Mikachiru Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Kyle, should I add Zeero too? He doesn't show up too often and I have no idea where he lives... Oh, and what about Chaz?
Zoogstin Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Zeero lives in Canadialand. Toronto more specifically I think. Anybody gonna be on tonight?
feri Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Using music as an aid to help people with Carl combos, I see. Squash out bad habits young, breeds better players. Online wont do this. Nu vs Carl is about baiting and punishing the rolls for 4k dmg. And I wouldn't be afraid of getting np in this match since your likely to be bursting when you get hit anyways. Also, PSN Carl represent! (seldom actual carl play time online) + Lives in Aust
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