Digital Watches Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 haha play kenji and see if you say the same thing after Gladly. Hope he goes to Evo.
whytesakura Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Well, that and when are you going to hit with a TK UF and still have the spacing right for a big combo? Bear in mind that the Japanese also play against people who know their defense (IE other Japanese players). Setups like that may work on people who don't just fine, but someone good will probably block your UF and laugh at you. I don't think I'm the only person who thinks 75% meter is usually worth 75+% of your opponent's lifebar, so there's more reason than just meter costs that you never see that sort of thing in matches. there are no setups for tkuf...50% tension makes overdrive attacks an option. someone tries to hit you with a non meaty low they get hit by it..someone who airdashes at you when you have 50% tension deserves to be super'd supers should only be reactionary which means they can possibly get you out of tight situations...they aren't things to spam just to try and get 300+ damage...it can happen but for all reality the ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD LAND 300 damage combos are slayer, jam, may,aba. i-no's damage is in the b range. ino has to work for a knockdown in order to get the maximum damage she wants....anyone can get good damage if they hit their opponent with the right attack. plus you have to keep in mind how much health the opponent has. its a super you have 50% tension...its an option..getting hit by it should tell you something
koogy Posted July 24, 2008 Author Posted July 24, 2008 stop picking on bucklemyshoe. i-no doesn't do great damage. she does difficult combos for average damage generally. she has a few good set-ups for high damage. but i think the best way to put it is, the BEST I-No of all time was koichi; he dropped her in AC because she was so bad, and he's a combo god; he invented so much stuff with her, it's crazy. if he can't win with her anymore, or land high damage anymore... @_@ who can. me, that's who.
Spirit Juice Posted July 24, 2008 Posted July 24, 2008 Japanese are tier whores. Game is balanced. :3
Rome Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 Being in the worst tier in a game with basically no survival borderline isn't that bad. Low tier characters are perfectly usable. Watching people like Bleed kick some high tier ass is great.
Chomite Posted July 30, 2008 Posted July 30, 2008 I heard new tier list came out from Japan, and there were few changes.
Chomite Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 S Eddie, Testament A Potemkin, Baiken, Jam, Slayer B May, Axl, Venom C Sol, Ky, Millia, Faust, Anji, Dizzy, Zappa, Robo-Ky, ABA, Order-Sol D Chip, Johnny, I-No, Buri Found it. It came out actually serveral months ago but relatively fresh.
ky0n01 Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 S Eddie, Testament A Potemkin, Baiken, Jam, Slayer B May, Axl, Venom C Sol, Ky, Millia, Faust, Anji, Dizzy, Zappa, Robo-Ky, ABA, Order-Sol D Chip, Johnny, I-No, Buri Found it. It came out actually serveral months ago but relatively fresh. where did you get this? its pretty messed up
Chomite Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I don't know any Japanese so fellow Koreans who know Japanese should help me with this one. It's from 투극혼 but in japanese. If I had to guess, 鬪克 I think. It's nothing messed up about it when you think about their matchups. B~D tiers determined by how many disadv/advantage matups they have. Hey, it's Japanese tiers.
Spirit Juice Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Pretty messed up how? It's relatively same to most tier lists, with just more people dropping to C rank from B rank. S, A, and D tiers are relatively the same, not surprisingly. B and C tier are the "gray area" of Accent Core's tier list.
Chomite Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Oh I don't think order (left to right or right to left) matters.
Spirit Juice Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I didn't even notice Millia that low, which is . Also, I don't think being in front or behind any character holds any meaning as in Sol is the best in C tier while OS is the worst.
JinSaotome Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 B~D tiers determined by how many disadv/advantage matups they have. . But Anji has no good matchups, except for Pot+Johnny which are 5-5. Hell, he has nearly 4 7-3s, so how is he 11th from the bottom?
Chomite Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Anji fights better (just tiny bit, TINY) against characters that other D tier characters have problem with. limekey, domi etc proves it
Dawnbringer Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I'm guessing the reason why Anji's in C tier is because of his anti-pressure options,he has several of them(though they're all pretty high risk).That's probably the reason why he's in C,and the fact that he can take on some of the higher tier characters better than the most of the cast (ie Eddie/Potemkin).Sure Anji is down...but he's definitely not out yet.However,I wouldn't put him that high on the tier list...maybe the bottom of C.It's probably Limekey/Dry Ace making him look that good(Domi is probably retired now).
Spirit Juice Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I can't accept slayer being class A and Ky on C. I can see how they would put Ky in C, although I do think he's B. What's wrong with Slayer being A rank? In most tier lists he is A rank, close to being S, so it's not unbelievable that he was ranked A in this list.
reaVer Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Is there a matchup chart around that is current? The last I've seen was from like february 2007...
GaijinMo Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 where did you get this? its pretty messed up I think it's from the May issue of Tougeki Damashi(i?) magazine. I posted the same list a couple weeks ago. It even followed with a similar discussion about whether or not the order matters within each tier, and people were upset about Slayer being in A even though that's where he always is... except in the main DL list. http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showpost.php?p=282845&postcount=904
Silmerion Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I disagree strongly with an awful lot of that list's placing, but if it does anything for me, it reminds me of just how balanced AC is. Past Eddie, Testament, Pot, Buri, Johnny, I-No, and probably Axl and Baiken, all of whose positions are relatively locked-in at this point, almost every character's spot is rather incredibly debatable.
Digital Watches Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Meh. "Japanese tiers" only means one person in Japan thinks that. Personally, at LEAST slayer is way wrong. Wasn't there talk of him > Eddie/Testament not very long ago? I might believe under pot, but definitely not Baiken and Jam.
Hatred Edge Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 S Eddie, Testament A Potemkin, Baiken, Jam, Slayer B May, Axl, Venom C Sol, Ky, Millia, Faust, Anji, Dizzy, Zappa, Robo-Ky, ABA, Order-Sol D Chip, Johnny, I-No, Buri Sol is near bottom of the C ranks. No way he's better than Faust or Ky. Sol are Anji are the bottom of the C. Top C IMO are Ky, Faust, Order-Sol. Everyone else is debatable. I take it Slayer is lower than Potemkin because Potemkin does better against Testament and Eddie.... Highly doubt he's worse than Jam and Baiken though.
rtl42 Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 christ, people, read! hatred edge: there is no horizontal ordering. so, Sol being to the left of Ky means nothing. DW: Tougeki Damashii = one person?
Hatred Edge Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 Really? I still believe Sol is pretty low in the mid tiers.
Digital Watches Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 DW: Tougeki Damashii = one person? Oh, I'm dumb. I didn't see that. I thought he just found it on some blog.
axel Posted July 31, 2008 Posted July 31, 2008 I take it Slayer is lower than Potemkin because Potemkin does better against Testament and Eddie.... Highly doubt he's worse than Jam and Baiken though. Potemkin does better against Testament and Eddie compared to Slayer?
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