BB:CS Match-Up Chart

[A.X.I.S.]

6B is +3 on block people...6B is good where it is! so can we please move on!

[Marionette Pwii]

relax relax I'm pretty sure we all got our hype. Should take our own time figuring all this out.maybe if ya think ya got something you can share. That is if you don't get highly misunderstood like I have

[A.X.I.S.]

I'm fine but smooshman...god dammit PEOPLE THERE IS FRAME DATA!! LOOK FOR IT!!

[smooshman]

I'm fine but smooshman...god dammit PEOPLE THERE IS FRAME DATA!! LOOK FOR IT!!

I look at it. yes 6B is +3 and 5B is 0, 2D and 6D are positive, his EX ice swords are positve...... etc. so to clarify my earlier statements without fluffy wording and rage:

Jin isn't perfect:8/:

6A is an overhead, it could be better:8/:

6B is very useful, would be cool, but not neccassary, if it were an overhead

Jin is good at pressure, other characters are better

Jin's mixup is throw and crossup based mostly.

EDIT: and if you didn't catch the under current

I think Litchi cheats >_>

[Dacidbro]

When you post "I wish my character had things he doesn't", who do you help? When you elaborately describe something we already know, like Litchi is S tier, are you bringing anything new to the table, or aiding anyone?

I don't get it bro

[smooshman]

When you post "I wish my character had things he doesn't", who do you help? When you elaborately describe something we already know, like Litchi is S tier, are you bringing anything new to the table, or aiding anyone?

I don't get it bro

isn't that what the last.... 30 pages have been?

[Marionette Pwii]

someone asked for litchi to be top tier because she has huge boobs.tier list is so trippy for its breast size comparison D:

[Skye]

Anyone wanna run by why Jin vs Ara is 5:5?

With the changes given, I'd think the match would be tipped in Jin's favor quite a bit.

Between Jin ability to maintain pressure and Arakune's lack of ability withstand pressure, also without a meterless reversal....

Add to that, no more 1 hit curse, Jin's low out-of-corner damage combos are still a threat to Arakune's below average HP, Jin got better at zoning with faster D attacks a less recovery in j236x, and lol DPs.

How are we talking even? It looks kinda 65:35-ish.

Just wanna know some details that I'm obviously not seeing.

[Dacidbro]

Skye do you watch the same Japan I do? Because Arakune is better than Jin in every Japan I've been watching. Jin can keep up in this matchup because he has zoning that screws with Ara, godlike melee zoning range with A shoryus, and reliable DPs to get out of block-curse situations.

Other than that, it's Ara trolling clouds, 100% curse combos and fever loops.

Ara's backdash works quite well to get out of pressure, so he's not as helpless in defense as many make him out to be.

[Niko]

someone asked for litchi to be top tier because she has huge boobs.tier list is so trippy for its breast size comparison D:

You might be on to something. In the material collection, there was a boob chart which went Litchi > Taokaka > Nirvana > Nu > Noel > Rachel -- with the exception of Taokaka, this does seem to reflect their actual tiers in CS!

[smooshman]

Jin's low out-of-corner damage combos are still a threat to Arakune's below average HP, Jin got better at zoning with faster D attacks a less recovery in j236x, and lol DPs.

How are we talking even? It looks kinda 65:35-ish.

Just wanna know some details that I'm obviously not seeing.

his 5D actually got slower, his EX attacks are nerfed (except for 623D which is now awesomer) his DP's have gained recovery and have terrible p1 proration (623C p1-50) but overall his ice sword zoning is effective against Ara. The reason I see it as 5-5 is that Ara's hard to get a hold of, he moves around a lot, and Jin lacks good range pokes to hit him, but once you have him it's pretty much done. Conversely, if Ara gets Jin in curse.... he's pretty screwed.

[Code-Nana]

How do you read a match-up chart, anyway? @A@;

[Dacidbro]

Well, that depends. If it's a matchup chart that is never updated or made in America, you should before anything else take everything with a grain of salt. Past that, it's just straight matchups; the numbers indicate how well each character does against every other character, in a ratio out of 100. For example, Bang V Rachel, on this chart, Bang should win 65 out of every 100 games, and Rachel should win 35, simply based on characters. Clearly a bad matchup if it is right, since Bang should win twice as often before skill is calculated (And if the bang player is more skilled.. it goes downhill quickly)

[feri]

Anyone wanna run by why Jin vs Ara is 5:5?

With the changes given, I'd think the match would be tipped in Jin's favor quite a bit.

Between Jin ability to maintain pressure and Arakune's lack of ability withstand pressure, also without a meterless reversal....

Add to that, no more 1 hit curse, Jin's low out-of-corner damage combos are still a threat to Arakune's below average HP, Jin got better at zoning with faster D attacks a less recovery in j236x, and lol DPs.

How are we talking even? It looks kinda 65:35-ish.

Just wanna know some details that I'm obviously not seeing.

Jin LOST the ability to maintain pressure/oki (5b hitbox nerf)... if you still dont get why. Lows tend to beat it out cause of the lack of hitbox there and it barely catches rolls anymore.

Has less solid damage midscreen (no more j.b j.c j.d x 2 combos.)

Has SLOWER 5d. 2d does not make up for this.

Trading curse/ice moves is in arakunes favour.

But j.c makes everything better.

[Skye]

Jin LOST the ability to maintain pressure/oki (5b hitbox nerf)... if you still dont get why. Lows tend to beat it out cause of the lack of hitbox there and it barely catches rolls anymore.

Has less solid damage midscreen (no more j.b j.c j.d x 2 combos.)

Has SLOWER 5d. 2d does not make up for this.

Trading curse/ice moves is in arakunes favor.

But j.c makes everything better.

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I said nothing about Jin's oki, I was talking about block pressure, all the good Jin's I've seen can still keep up good pressure on Arakune, and Arakune's lack of a non-DD reversal only makes it easier for Jin. I can understand backdash, but a singular option to get out of pressure is often baited and/or easily responded to.

I know his damage is nerfed, but Arakune has low enough HP to still worry about it.

I wasn't referring to 5d, since no smart Jin will rely on it in a pressure string that much.

Arakune never trades curse/ice anymore, jd no longer has guaranteed execution, and anything Arakune does to warrant a trade, usually get's DPed instead.

From what I've seen if Jin stays on Arakune's ass, there's not much he can do without taking a gutsy risk in a frametrap.

[Mr Oso]

Geeze Bich more...........

[Skye]

Oh, I'm sorry scrub. You have anything to contribute in this discussion?

Mind helping me make sense of this match up? Or are you being your normal useless drama queen?

If you're gonna troll, try not to look stupid by misspelling "Bitch"

[lxMetalSonicxl]

What godly Jin player have you been playing in CS Skye?

[smooshman]

From what I've seen if Jin stays on Arakune's ass, there's not much he can do without taking a gutsy risk in a frametrap.

the problem Jin gets is staying on Arakune is hard, if he gets away you spend a good chunk of the match playing hide'n'seek with him, and if Ara gets a curse..... well we all know what happens then. If Jin does hit him, he gains a large advantage and can control him with his good oki. I can believe 5-5 or 5.5-4.5 in eithers favor.

[Skye]

What godly Jin player have you been playing in CS Skye?

Some guy named MetalSonic, says he came from the future.

the problem Jin gets is staying on Arakune is hard, if he gets away you spend a good chunk of the match playing hide'n'seek with him, and if Ara gets a curse..... well we all know what happens then. If Jin does hit him, he gains a large advantage and can control him with his good oki. I can believe 5-5 or 5.5-4.5 in eithers favor.

I suppose that's more reasonable.

The match up just doesn't look that even to me.

I need to think about this more, because 5:5 doesn't feel right

[A.X.I.S.]

I believe this is relevant.

jin got nerf'd a slight bit and ara is really good at running away.

ara can simply run by IBing and dashing away.

not surprising if he can beat jin's jump in's with a air throw or j.a...both seem to be effective if used correctly

this is the words of a shitty BB player...fuck this game lets play GG.

[Dacidbro]

If it makes you feel any better Skye, all the Jins are scratching their head at how the matchup isn't Ara's favor.

Just wait til you play the game, dw about it.

[Skye]

I suppose, Dacid.

[Mr Oso]

If you're gonna troll, try not to look stupid by misspelling "Bitch"

Says the one that cant finish a full sentence without stuttering

Everyone knows the tools that Ara has....... putting them to use aganist a Decent/Good jin would not seem to be as big an issue as your make it. It does seem like it would make it alot easier to understand the matchup ALOT better if you had touched the game rather than just biching and moaning about it........but your good at that so......

[A.X.I.S.]

you 2 needs to quit spilling your mortons here ok?

skye asked a question nothing hurts in that...unless you want a infamous rep like skye has?