Arcade Stick vs Controller

[Feanor]

There was this one guy who built himself a Haku-themed arcade keyboard in the "Post up your arcade stick" thread. Really I think I'd rather learn playing on a stick than build something like this, but his effort and execution were commendable.

[Chozo003]

here we go buy one get one free

http://shoryuken.com/content/mad-catz-nec-xi-special-buy-1-get-1-free-promo-ends-tonight-12am-pst-2676/

Dream crush, they don't ship to Canada... Ah well, it's extremely doubtful I would have been able to buy one before midnight today, anyway.

Thanks for the artwork link by the way, Corinthatic.

[mr.mortified]

Dream crush, they don't ship to Canada... Ah well, it's extremely doubtful I would have been able to buy one before midnight today, anyway.

Thanks for the artwork link by the way, Corinthatic.

I dunno if majinhurricane (SRK) is still offering to take some sticks over the border and ship in canada for this sale but he did in the past few madcatz sales

[TheSexyHat]

What's the difference between the "normal" Arcade stick and the "tournament" arcade stick?

Besides the obvious fact that one cost 40 bucks and the other costs 120+, but what exactly does it make it better or worth buying?

[mr.mortified]

dem parts man dem parts

if you're talking about madcatz sticks, SE's are all in-house parts so anything that has the shitty square white box joystick that is the SE is made with in house parts. (i'm exaggerating a bit, they're worth the price you pay for to say the least) Madcatz TE's on the other hand are official arcade sanwa parts. Tried and tested in arcades everywhere and work for years before replacement.

Madcatz parts try to be like sanwas but have a little bit more odd resistance in the buttons compared to sanwas and a fatal flaw in joysticks that make tager users cry (spin the stick and the washer inside actually scrapes off traces inside the pcb of the stick)

Hori sticks on the other hand use omron parts (most of the time) like JLF's but suffer from the gate/spring in my opinion. Their buttons are also ass and are stiff to the point of reminding me of pressing down happ parts. (exaggeration but still are quite stiff) Hori's equivalent of TE's are the SA and SE sticks with SA being full sanwa and SE being full seimitsu

[TheSexyHat]

dem parts man dem parts

if you're talking about madcatz sticks, SE's are all in-house parts so anything that has the shitty square white box joystick that is the SE is made with in house parts. (i'm exaggerating a bit, they're worth the price you pay for to say the least) Madcatz TE's on the other hand are official arcade sanwa parts. Tried and tested in arcades everywhere and work for years before replacement.

Madcatz parts try to be like sanwas but have a little bit more odd resistance in the buttons compared to sanwas and a fatal flaw in joysticks that make tager users cry (spin the stick and the washer inside actually scrapes off traces inside the pcb of the stick)

Hori sticks on the other hand use omron parts (most of the time) like JLF's but suffer from the gate/spring in my opinion. Their buttons are also ass and are stiff to the point of reminding me of pressing down happ parts. (exaggeration but still are quite stiff) Hori's equivalent of TE's are the SA and SE sticks with SA being full sanwa and SE being full seimitsu

Thanks!

[Shockna]

dem parts man dem parts

if you're talking about madcatz sticks, SE's are all in-house parts so anything that has the shitty square white box joystick that is the SE is made with in house parts. (i'm exaggerating a bit, they're worth the price you pay for to say the least) Madcatz TE's on the other hand are official arcade sanwa parts. Tried and tested in arcades everywhere and work for years before replacement.

Madcatz parts try to be like sanwas but have a little bit more odd resistance in the buttons compared to sanwas and a fatal flaw in joysticks that make tager users cry (spin the stick and the washer inside actually scrapes off traces inside the pcb of the stick)

Hori sticks on the other hand use omron parts (most of the time) like JLF's but suffer from the gate/spring in my opinion. Their buttons are also ass and are stiff to the point of reminding me of pressing down happ parts. (exaggeration but still are quite stiff) Hori's equivalent of TE's are the SA and SE sticks with SA being full sanwa and SE being full seimitsu

Wait, does this mean that MadCatz TE's are good sticks, meaning that not everything MadCatz sells is a complete POS? Interesting...

I've been shopping around for a decent stick for awhile now, and I've found plenty of deals on MadCatz TE's, but avoided them because I've never bought a MC product that wasn't terrible and defective. >_>

[mr.mortified]

Well if you get the PS3 sticks, the madcatz pcb regardless of TE/SE may not work on PC. On their xbox 360 sticks sometimes the triggers pose some problems. They had to keep up madcatz quality somewhere lol

[ThunderboltZ28]

My PS3 TE does not work on my PC. My 360 SE buttons work but not the joystick. I'm hoping when I get a 360 TE I'll be able to play more GG on the PC. My friend has the 360 TE and has no problems getting it to work on the PC.

[Tachyons]

Get the HRAP V3-SA. PC compatibility is almost (if there are) unheard of.

[ThunderboltZ28]

That is that new skinny Hori with the weird start button on, right?

[RaveSage]

My PS3 TE does not work on my PC. My 360 SE buttons work but not the joystick. I'm hoping when I get a 360 TE I'll be able to play more GG on the PC. My friend has the 360 TE and has no problems getting it to work on the PC.

The PS3 TEs only work with computers with Intel processing. Excluding the Chun-Li one that came out. They improved the pcb on that one so it works with AMD or whatever else.

If your SE isn't working did you try changing the input switch around? You know D-Pad / Right-Analog / Left Analog.

[mr.mortified]

The PS3 TEs only work with computers with Intel processing. Excluding the Chun-Li one that came out. They improved the pcb on that one so it works with AMD or whatever else.

If your SE isn't working did you try changing the input switch around? You know D-Pad / Right-Analog / Left Analog.

was about to say the same thing, make sure its always on DPad

[RaveSage]

was about to say the same thing, make sure its always on DPad

Actually, I don't think that it's always supposed to be d-pad. I tried playing Touhou 12.3 and it wanted analog input.

[Kinezumi]

Wait, does this mean that MadCatz TE's are good sticks, meaning that not everything MadCatz sells is a complete POS? Interesting...

The TEs are seen as the best non-custom sticks, period. The consensus on SRK.com is that they're "SS Rank", the only stick in that class. It's because they use Sanwa buttons and sticks, not the usual in-house MadCatz ones. I got mine today (360) and I'm actually pretty used to it already.

The biggest transitional problem for me isn't going from d-pad to stick, but it's the button layout. On a 360 pad and the MadCatz SF controllers, the four main face buttons are in a diamond formation. So B is furthest to the right, Y and A are in the middle column and X is on the left. On the TE, it's like a square leaning to the right, so in fact Y is slightly more on the right than B is. I don't know if my description is helping, but basically my hand goes "looking" for B by moving to the right and down of Y and finds nothing. I'm sure I'll get used to it, though.

[ThunderboltZ28]

was about to say the same thing, make sure its always on DPad

Just tried it and its the same thing.

[Kinezumi]

Just tried it and its the same thing.

What driver is it using? There may be a config utility for that. A while ago when I used my Madcatz fight pad on my PC, it used some utility that I had to download and it'd pop up some config thing if I pressed the silver button. I since reinstalled Windows XP and now it just plug-and-played without me doing anything.

[ThunderboltZ28]

What driver is it using? There may be a config utility for that. A while ago when I used my Madcatz fight pad on my PC, it used some utility that I had to download and it'd pop up some config thing if I pressed the silver button. I since reinstalled Windows XP and now it just plug-and-played without me doing anything.

Its says no drivers are needed or installed for this device. From what I've read the 360 SE should work as soon as you plug it in on W7 64bit, but for some reason the joystick refuses to work.

[Kinezumi]

Have you tried using Xpadder? It won't work if the joystick input is being fully ignored by Windows, but it'll work if it's the individual applications that aren't picking up on it.

[Feanor]

Yeah first things first - you should find out what Windows is doing with the joystick input. I'm not sure what it's like on W7 but on WXP it was under Control Panel-> (Advanced View) -> Game Controllers. If you find something like this in your CP it should list something in the "Installed game controllers" window when your stick is connected. If there's nothing there then I guess you'd have to ask around SRK or maybe even MadCatz for custom drivers/troubleshooting. If there's a position in the aforementioned field then right-click it -> calibrate and test out all the inputs. If there's something that doesn't work tell us what it is and maybe we'll find a solution, if everything works you'll need to see what applications ignore the stick and if they're from the "Games For Windows" brand. If they are, Xpadder or Xinputemu will probably help, like Kinezumi says.

If you can't find it I can post some screens tomorrow and check out at my friend's PC how exactly W7 CP looks.

[Kinezumi]

Yeah, to put it simply, if the game recognises keyboard input and if some part of Windows is recognising the joystick input, Xpadder (and similar programs) will work. It simply converts any kind of input into keyboard input, so even the most fickle of games are tricked into accepting the input.

[mr.mortified]

For any of you guys looking for a stick, have another last minute deal from the madcatz store.

Buy one Get one free deals for a Round 1 TE for PS3 and a MVC2 TE for xbox

http://store.gameshark.com/listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=247

[MAdBater]

in adjusting from pad to stick how long is the average person going to be proficient on the stick. I would say i have had the stick for a week and half and i am about 60% or 70% of what i was on the pad.

[Crosell]

About a month to feel really comfortable

[MAdBater]

at first switching to a stick was annoying at first but i would have say 3 weeks or so in i have fell in love with playing on the stick i wish i would have done it sooner.