ChrisX Posted August 5, 2010 Posted August 5, 2010 I've read through the last page on the Litchi issue. I think Carl would understand; both are trying to save someone nobody gives a damn about. Tao, seeming to become slightly more aware of her surroundings in her true end, would have to decide between the loving doctor with bewbs or the squiggly who massacres her friends. Band would have a similar problem, his love for her or his love for justice. Ultimately, I don't know if Hazama can spin the truth any further to prevent Litchi from going AWOL. Well... Carl wouldn't understand if Litchi didn't tell him what kind of person Arakune is. In fact, it just crossed my mind that Litchi never told anyone about who Arakune really is, even in Ragna's CT story in the beginning, at best she only gives him cryptic reasons of why he shouldn't off Arakune already. She never told anyone about this. So, if Carl finds out about what Litchi is doing with NOL, I would say he will be crushed... until he learns about Arakune and his relationship with Litchi. After that, he will understand as you say. And hell, I think if Litchi isn't telling, Hazama can spin more truth about why she joined NOL. He could easily tell Carl (or Bang) if they meet that Litchi is really a two-faced woman who betrayed them and everyone else who cared about her for no apparent reason, without telling them about Arakune. Such is the way of Hazama, trolling a lot. And now, for a non-Litchi speculation... If what Makoto said is true, about NOL going downhill after Hazama becomes more prominent... is it possible that before Hazama/Terumi came to the picture, NOL used to be a normal organization? I was thinking that NOL started getting totalitarian after Hazama came in, which eventually triggered the Ikaruga citizens to rebel and incited the Ikaruga War...
InfinityClimax Posted August 5, 2010 Posted August 5, 2010 The Ikaruga Civil war was a long ass war, and according to the timeline, started only 10 years after the black beast was slain.
Irikarul Posted August 5, 2010 Posted August 5, 2010 @ChrisX: I doubt Carl or Bang would believe anything Hazama has to say at this point, especially regarding Litchi.
ChrisX Posted August 5, 2010 Posted August 5, 2010 @Irikarul: It still could happen. If Litchi never told them what kind of person Arakune is, or even the corruption of the Boundary within her, Bang and Carl will have no idea on the reasoning behind her actions. How are they going to understand her motives of her joining, if she never told them? Perhaps they will think that she's like a damsel in distress, being forced to join NOL against her choice. But the most she'll confirm to be true would be she joins on her own will (because if she doesn't, she will wither and die, but I doubt she'll even say that), which would drive both in further confusion. @Infinity Climax: Okay, maybe so, but if it goes that long, then I kind of presume that when Terumi (probably not as Hazama) make his presence known, it's when NOL slowly starts going downhill morally, and it also causes the eventual victory of NOL, with Tenjou's death (he possessed Jin on the last moments after all)
Alpha to Omega Posted August 5, 2010 Posted August 5, 2010 The Ikaruga Civil war was a long ass war, and according to the timeline, started only 10 years after the black beast was slain. Wrong. The Ikaruga Civil War was started 81 years after the Dark War and lasted for seven years. The ten years line in the timeline is talking about how the Dark War lasted ten years. Look at the chart linked to in that post and it gives dates.
Village Idiot Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Wrong. The Ikaruga Civil War was started 81 years after the Dark War and lasted for seven years. The ten years line in the timeline is talking about how the Dark War lasted ten years. Look at the chart linked to in that post and it gives dates. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRvffiikuhI&feature=related 1:04 seconds in. States right there that the Ikaruga War took place 10 years after the defeat of the Black Beast.
AdamNW Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Mine aren't so much story theories as they are gameplay theories. -Carl leaves Kagutsuchi. Gameplay wise, Relius takes Carl's spot (as a rebalance of sorts). -The Arakune we know and love dies completely. Litchi's body eventually succumbs to the same fate of Arakune's. Linhua, stunned that this could happen to Litchi, makes it her duty to save Litchi (basically, how Litchi is now for Arakune). In this respect, Litchi replaces Arakune gameplay wise, and Linhua replaces Litchi. You know you want it.
Drill Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Mine aren't so much story theories as they are gameplay theories. -Carl leaves Kagutsuchi. Gameplay wise, Relius takes Carl's spot (as a rebalance of sorts). -The Arakune we know and love dies completely. Litchi's body eventually succumbs to the same fate of Arakune's. Linhua, stunned that this could happen to Litchi, makes it her duty to save Litchi (basically, how Litchi is now for Arakune). In this respect, Litchi replaces Arakune gameplay wise, and Linhua replaces Litchi. You know you want it. Some nice theories but doubt it. Carl himself heads to Ikaruga at the end of his Story Mode, thus it's likely he'll end up running into the other characters. Arakune isn't going to die to the Boundary, just lose himself more I think. Litchi's erosion seems to be happening too slow for her to become like Arakune.
Korigama Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Mine aren't so much story theories as they are gameplay theories. -Carl leaves Kagutsuchi. Gameplay wise, Relius takes Carl's spot (as a rebalance of sorts). -The Arakune we know and love dies completely. Litchi's body eventually succumbs to the same fate of Arakune's. Linhua, stunned that this could happen to Litchi, makes it her duty to save Litchi (basically, how Litchi is now for Arakune). In this respect, Litchi replaces Arakune gameplay wise, and Linhua replaces Litchi. You know you want it. -I suppose I could see it if Carl didn't decide to head to Ikaruga until later, but it would require something to put either Relius or Carl out of commission later to prevent having two of the same character playable, as was the case with the shift from Nu to Lambda (I don't see anything happening to Carl, but that's just my take). -Litchi's story established that Linhua wasn't capable of fighting, though (I know you mentioned that these were gameplay theories, but it is relevant). Based on what Platinum told Bang, back when Trinity awakened, about his Nox being able to sever ties to the Boundary, I'm thinking he'll be more likely to play a role in saving Litchi. With no substitute for Litchi's gameplay to account for, I'd think Arakune would be safe for now.
AdamNW Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 I suppose. I stopped paying attention to the story at some parts because it had terrible everything:vbang:
Drill Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Why does everyone assume that just because he has Ignis, Relius would play like Carl? Who says he can't have a different fighting style that uses Ignis in a different fashion than Ada?
Alpha to Omega Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRvffiikuhI&feature=related 1:04 seconds in. States right there that the Ikaruga War took place 10 years after the defeat of the Black Beast. The Material Collection came out after CT so as it's more recent and more detailed then that single line I'm inclined to give it more credit. Plus it's backed up by Continuum Shift's "Previous" feature mentioning multiple decades as passing between the two wars. And it wouldn't be first time Aksys mis-translated something.
AdamNW Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Why does everyone assume that just because he has Ignis, Relius would play like Carl? Who says he can't have a different fighting style that uses Ignis in a different fashion than Ada? I figured Relius would work as a rebalanced (or unlimited for lolz) Carl. Better puppetry but worse non-drive attacks.
Korigama Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 Why does everyone assume that just because he has Ignis, Relius would play like Carl? Who says he can't have a different fighting style that uses Ignis in a different fashion than Ada? That's always a possibility as well. I wouldn't have any idea how that would work without seeming too similar, but obviously that's Arc's job to think up.
Drill Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 I figured Relius would work as a rebalanced (or unlimited for lolz) Carl. Better puppetry but worse non-drive attacks. I don't know. I'm just saying we shouldn't jump to conclusions about playstyle. After all, Mu could've easily been an Unlimited Unlimited Murakuma like Nu or Lambda, but instead she get her own moveset.
ChrisX Posted August 6, 2010 Posted August 6, 2010 -I suppose I could see it if Carl didn't decide to head to Ikaruga until later, but it would require something to put either Relius or Carl out of commission later to prevent having two of the same character playable, as was the case with the shift from Nu to Lambda (I don't see anything happening to Carl, but that's just my take). -Litchi's story established that Linhua wasn't capable of fighting, though (I know you mentioned that these were gameplay theories, but it is relevant). Based on what Platinum told Bang, back when Trinity awakened, about his Nox being able to sever ties to the Boundary, I'm thinking he'll be more likely to play a role in saving Litchi. With no substitute for Litchi's gameplay to account for, I'd think Arakune would be safe for now. He can still be playable. My theory is that Relius did capture him for a leverage against Litchi, but not in the way of 'I have your beloved. Obey us, or he dies', like the previous rumors go. His leverage is that in case Litchi tries to betray NOL, Relius sends out a memory-wiped Arakune to hunt her down and kill her. Of course, there's some part of Arakune's soul that Relius couldn't wipe out which can cause him to ultimately beg for anyone to kill him for real. That's my theory, and how I think we can keep the same characters likewise. As of how Relius plays, he could try to emulate some actual JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Stand System using Ignis. Ignis doesn't appear all the time, but on a snap of finger, she can teleport in and attack for Relius, kinda like most Stands in JJBA. Though, I kinda wonder the reason why Trinity is eyeing Bang. It's more than he has Houyoku Rettenjou. I would surmise that Trinity wants Bang to use it for destroying Hazama's Ouroboros, rendering him helpless, which brings Bang's dillema about preserving justice (by destroying Hazama) or save Litchi (and disappointing Trinity for a little while, I'm sure). I'm pretty sure he'll pick the second, though, because it will let Ragna be the one to kill Hazama, as it's always the main character who kills the main baddie. As of another speculation, Litchi joining NOL may be Mori's way to make her finally get another mean to control the Mantenbou with telekinesis or chi control, without relying much on the power of Boundary. So when Bang later cut her ties with the Boundary, she can still be a playable character in future BlazBlue games. If she kept relying on the Boundary to fight, when she is saved, it will mean that she's removed from the gameplay roster forever.
Soothesayer Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Valk screenshot posted in news thread: http://i.imgur.com/tcWCe.jpg WTF? Is he wearing a battle suit or what? His stance looks a little feral.
Soothesayer Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Maybe I'm looking at it wrong then. The pic is fuzzy quality...ohhh alright I see it now, yeah that is his regular suit. The lighting is weird though...what's that blue stuff? Hmmm I was expecting his stance to be a bit different, more refined looking. I'll wait until seeing him in action. But planned for September? Yeeeeah!
ChrisX Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Okay, going back to one thing, last time, someone said that Hazama cannot manipulate the facts about Sector Seven further for Litchi, but I always think he CAN do it. This is what I think would happen: Hazama will goad Litchi to give in into hatred, especially one that stemmed from Kokonoe refusing to help her, saying that "If you don't like it here, it's all Kokonoe's fault. If only she gave in and tried to help you, this wouldn't happen, right? Whose fault is it? Whose fault is it??". In the end, Litchi may still be able to keep her kindness, but she will also hate Kokonoe for driving her to this, therefore, she may be willingly give in all of Kokonoe and Sector Seven's secret towards NOL as a 'Take That' for Kokonoe. It... could happen, provided that Hazama is there. Do you agree in this, or Litchi would still be hesitant on selling out Kokonoe?
NemesisZeru Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Maybe I'm looking at it wrong then. The pic is fuzzy quality...ohhh alright I see it now, yeah that is his regular suit. The lighting is weird though...what's that blue stuff? Hmmm I was expecting his stance to be a bit different, more refined looking. I'll wait until seeing him in action. But planned for September? Yeeeeah! Is it? It looks like he's wearing jeans, a sleeveless jacket with some sort of plating stuff on the shoulders,and some sort of wrist things to me. But then again, it IS 4am.... <_<;
Darkness57 Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 Hmmm I was expecting his stance to be a bit different, more refined looking. Well, he is a werewolf thing after all.
Antihippy Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 The picture is super blurry guys. Off screen and fuzzy and shit.
GKHiryu Posted August 8, 2010 Posted August 8, 2010 YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEAH! I love you ASW! You're so awesome for introducing a character, then subtly suggesting he might get into char roster, then allowing for leak of info, and then announcing we get something totally different than the original char... I feel like Jin wasn't in the game, they said "Oh yeah, this Jin, we might add him" then added Hakumen and said "what? It's Jin after all" My last sliver of hope is that Valk will at least have some Hokuto no Ken style moves (He so reminds me of one of secondary chars, the guy with wolf style)
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