Continuum Shift SPECULATION/THEORIES

[ChrisX]

Hm, there's this question constantly bugging me, but...

Why do people say that in Litchi's bad end, Kokonoe is bound to fail to cure her despite her determination? I get the theory that she might succeed, judging to see how much a genius she is and what kind of determination she had on saving her... I mean, really, why would she FAIL?

[mAc Chaos]

Couldn't she have cured Arakune then? But she cut him loose instead.

[FormerlyUnknown]

but she didn't like arakune, and she was content with throwing him out, litchi i think she would at least try to save her

[KeasbeyKnight]

Well, Litchi's being affected differently than Arakune was, and I think that's giving Kokonoe hope (though it may just be false hope, we have yet to see). If I remember right, shouldn't Litchi actually have changed by now? I think it has something to do with Lao Jiu (Spelling?), since she got him from the Boundary.

EDIT: Also, Kokonoe didn't really seem to like Lotte from what we saw from Arakune's memories, but she cares about Litchi. It's nice to see Kokonoe try, but I don't want to see Kokonoe doing bad things because she is trying to save Litchi who is doing bad things trying to save Arakune... If that makes sense.

[ChrisX]

Well, on other discussions on other board, they said she DID cure Lotte... but then Lotte dabbles in the Boundary again, and probably Kokonoe got sick of it and her policy becomes: "You want me to cure you? Then STOP DOING WHATEVER NAUGHTY THINGS YOU DO. FOREVER."

[Zazz]

i had a question that I posted in a speculation thread (but i figured i'd delete it since it got buried under the retroactive move of Phase 0 related posts):

i was looking at the Mu sprites ripped by Circ and i noticed something

it doesn't look like it in her select screen art, but her giant sword has a bunch of holes and looks rather damaged (compared to the one in Lambda/Nu's sprite data)

is it the same sword last seen with the ruins in CT's story mode intro?

[Fogell]

please don't start the "i'm my own father." Thing...please...

I'd laugh if Mori "took notes" from Groening.

Hint: "I did the nasty in the pasty"

Probably, the title "Bloodedge" and the fact Ragna lost his arm the first time before (or after, if you want to be nip-picky with the whole timeline order) the events of Phase 0, it could a predestination or ontological paradox.

Or Ragna probably named himself Bloodedge after going through the boundary (because apparently in Haku-men's CS Story Mode, the Boundary contains all the "alternate truths" aka the time loop/timelines) the very first time. Perhaps that's why Haku-men remembers the first phase of the time loop (or maybe because the Susano'o is called an Anti-Causality Unit).

[OniYouji]

Well, I'm sorry if some of these are repeated or are actually answered...I just feel so stupid, playing these games story modes and not understanding half of these things...

1. What exactly is the Boundary?

2. What is a "cauldron"?

3. Why is it that Nu-13 just a stronger version of Lamda-11, while Mu-12 looks so different? And why is it that the 12th subject is considered better than the others, even though technically, being the latest, the 13th should be the best one?

4. What is the Master Unit Amaterasu? Why does Terumi want to destroy it, along with the world?

5. What is "Fluctus Reductam", and what makes it so different than Nox Nyctores, despite Ignis looking nearly identical to Nirvana?

6. How is it that Hakumen still exists, if he is technically Jin from the future/past something or other? With the events that ended CT, shouldn't Hakumen technically no longer exist, since Jin didn't follow Ragna and Nu into the cauldron?

7. Why do they call the Murakumo Units "prime field devices"? Did they just want to be more specific as to what they did, or...?

8. What is a "Sankishin Unit"?

9. Why are "Armagus" and "ars magus" used interchangeably? Are they different?

10. What is "Susano'o" in the context of the game? Or "Kusanagi"?

11. What's a "causality weapon"?

[Fogell]

Well, I'm sorry if some of these are repeated or are actually answered...I just feel so stupid, playing these games story modes and not understanding half of these things...

1. What exactly is the Boundary?

2. What is a "cauldron"?

3. Why is it that Nu-13 just a stronger version of Lamda-11, while Mu-12 looks so different? And why is it that the 12th subject is considered better than the others, even though technically, being the latest, the 13th should be the best one?

4. What is the Master Unit Amaterasu? Why does Terumi want to destroy it, along with the world?

5. What is "Fluctus Reductam", and what makes it so different than Nox Nyctores, despite Ignis looking nearly identical to Nirvana?

6. How is it that Hakumen still exists, if he is technically Jin from the future/past something or other? With the events that ended CT, shouldn't Hakumen technically no longer exist, since Jin didn't follow Ragna and Nu into the cauldron?

7. Why do they call the Murakumo Units "prime field devices"? Did they just want to be more specific as to what they did, or...?

8. What is a "Sankishin Unit"?

9. Why are "Armagus" and "ars magus" used interchangeably? Are they different?

10. What is "Susano'o" in the context of the game? Or "Kusanagi"?

11. What's a "causality weapon"?

1. I'm not actually sure what the Boundary, but it's basically a place where all the timelines/timeloop and it might as well be where most whom came in contact with the Boundary got their abilities (example: Litchi and Arakune).

2. A cauldron is the true form of Ragna and Nu's fake Azure Grimoires.

3. When Mu was created, a satellite-based Nox destroyed the lab she was created in. Possibly, maybe Nu was created using Lambda's blueprints and fusing her with the remains of the Black Beast.

6. Haku-men exists because Jin's soul is contain in the Susano'o Unit, an Anti-Causality Unit. I believe causality has to do with time travel paradox (see my previous post).

[mAc Chaos]

Re, 6: the way time travel works in BlazBlue is that it creates alternate timelines or realities. If you go back in time and change the past, it doesn't "update" the future, it just makes it so there's two timelines: the original one, and the one that exists once you made the change. So Hakumen is basically Jin from a parallel dimension, so his existence doesn't rely on the current Jin's moves.

[OniYouji]

1. That helps a bit, but still not very explanatory.

2. That doesn't tell me what a cauldron is. Just saying that it's the true form of the Azure Grimoire tells me nothing. Why are Murakumo Units made in it? What is their purpose? Smelting souls? For what? Why?

3. Well...that certainly seems logical. But since the lab was destroyed, wouldn't that technically mean that Mu is unfinished?

6. Well, I like the second explanation better. It does seem to make a bit of sense.

[InfinityClimax]

1. That helps a bit, but still not very explanatory.

2. That doesn't tell me what a cauldron is. Just saying that it's the true form of the Azure Grimoire tells me nothing. Why are Murakumo Units made in it? What is their purpose? Smelting souls? For what? Why?

3. Well...that certainly seems logical. But since the lab was destroyed, wouldn't that technically mean that Mu is unfinished?

6. Well, I like the second explanation better. It does seem to make a bit of sense.

2. The boundary and what it does is stll one of the big mysteries of BB. Presumably it is a 'meta Dimension' that can be accessed through a cauldron (which is a door way into the boundary) The boundary has no sense of time, it is limit less in every direction, and because of the cauldrons, all timelines 'meet there' it has peculiar side effects. The boundary seems to house some kind of great power at the cost of detoriating the mind and body of those who dwell in it. In the heart of the boundary is the Azure, which is kind of like a life stream. Its where all the souls go, or so i believe. The Azure is basically the afterlife, kind of like the Buddhist belief of Nirvana. The Prime Feild Devices were made to explore the Boundary, much like how we make probes to explore space. We cant survive in those conditions, so we made machines instead. One of those machines discovered the Azure. Somehow, by coming into contact with the Azure (the lifestream, the source and ending point of all souls) it gained a soul of its own. Even though it was only supposed to be a machine. Hazama hints that after this, the scientists gave more Prime Fields souls by throwing them into the azure, as it gave them power and strength. (in BB souls seem to be VERY powerful, kind of like Blood Magic in fantasy settings, using souls in BB is morally wrong as it requires sacrifice, but is considerably powerful. By getting a soul from the Azure, they seem to be stronger than just normal souls, and being machines, they can manipulate their personal soul energy in ways humans cannot.) The smelting Process is what turns the Prime Field into a weapon. After it has its soul, its emotions are canceled out in the smelting process, they are turned completely obedient, and they are given/create weapons that interface with their tech so that they can make the most use of their soul (azure) energy. Of course, the weaponized form of a prime field is known as a Murakumo.

The Azure Grimoire/Blaz Blue, is a 'portable cauldron' that I believe has direct access to the Azure. I am confident that what it does is pull soul energy out of the Azure through the cauldron, and through that aids the weilder. At the same time it has an inverse effect, as it also sucks in the soul energy of those around the Azure Grimoire. This is why Ragna and his enemies lose life, their soul energy is being absorbed by the Azure Grimoire, while ragna pulls soul energy directly out of the Azure itself to aid him.

This is my understanding of it.

I may not have described as well as I meant to, just ask me to clarify something and I will.

[Suzaku]

Minor correction: The Gates of Sheol are the doorways to the Boundary. The Cauldrons are huge rooms built around the Gates of Sheol so they can access the Azure and use it to temper weapons, using Nine's "many souls" tempering method.

The Azure Grimoires are indeed like portable cauldrons, though they are able to steal the souls and bioenergy from living things. Hazama used his Azure Grimoire to kill and absorb the souls of countless humans, which he used to temper Noel into Mu-12.

[NeonCrusader]

A thought I had just now:

Bang's Nox can sever ties to the Boundary, and IIRC he's going to learn how to properly use it. I wonder; could it be that, not Kokonoe, not Rachel, but Bang is the one who'll end up bringing back Hakumen to his 100% existence?

Would be some ridiculous twist, to say the least.

[FunkyChunkyDude]

In the 5th episode of Teach Me Miss Litchi they talked about the Nox's and such, and I noticed the last one on the list was called Murokumo. Now, are they talking about the actual Murokumo units (Mu, Lambda, ect), or are they the "fake prime field devices" Jubei was talking about? Does that mean that there's a "True Murokumo" out there that's stronger than the others?

[Halcyone3]

In the 5th episode of Teach Me Miss Litchi they talked about the Nox's and such, and I noticed the last one on the list was called Murokumo. Now, are they talking about the actual Murokumo units (Mu, Lambda, ect), or are they the "fake prime field devices" Jubei was talking about? Does that mean that there's a "True Murokumo" out there that's stronger than the others?

nu has the actual murakumo

[FunkyChunkyDude]

nu has the actual murakumo

So then, was it lost when Nu was destroyed, or did it go to Lambda in a weakened state?

[pktazn]

So then, was it lost when Nu was destroyed, or did it go to Lambda in a weakened state?

IIRC Nu still has the actual Murakumo Unit. Lambda only has an imitation of it which was created by Kokonoe which is the Idea Engine.

[FunkyChunkyDude]

Oh great, now there's gonna be some dumb plotpoint like Hazama making a lifelink with Nu's body, getting the murakumo unit, then Ragna will have to go find some other ultimate power source he combines with the fake Idea Engine and BlazBlue so he can beat Terumi.

[Zeromegaman]

Oh great, now there's gonna be some dumb plotpoint like Hazama making a lifelink with Nu's body, getting the murakumo unit, then Ragna will have to go find some other ultimate power source he combines with the fake Idea Engine and BlazBlue so he can beat Terumi.

Pffft Come on now. All that was just to take out takamakahara. He doesnt need to make a life link with anyone else, except maybe Saya, and thats IF She's a Murakumo unit.

[pktazn]

Oh great, now there's gonna be some dumb plotpoint like Hazama making a lifelink with Nu's body, getting the murakumo unit, then Ragna will have to go find some other ultimate power source he combines with the fake Idea Engine and BlazBlue so he can beat Terumi.

He already has a lifelink with Noel.

... Unless it was nullified in the CS True End. *wasn't really paying too much attention, just wanted to play Mu lol*

[Tokkan]

He already has a lifelink with Noel.

... Unless it was nullified in the CS True End. *wasn't really paying too much attention, just wanted to play Mu lol*

It would've been nullified, otherwise when Terumi said he was going to kill her it wouldn't make any sense.

[pktazn]

Does he say that?

*checks YT*

Oh yea he does kinda. He says everyone, not just her. My bad.

[harmless kitten]

movin' from phase 0 thread

Obviously, Ragna isn't completely human, seeing as he IS a half-vampire. And where does it say humans can't have epic roles in the world? Also, I have never heard of Ragna, Jin, and Saya being "man-made".

1. According to Rachel's short story she doesn't bite Ragna every loop, he's probably not half-vamp. But this is an ongoing debate so IDEK.

2. From zephyr07's True End translations:

Hazma: Now, now, what's this? You need to dig your ears Ragna. That's “KU-SA-NA-GI”. Noel was never anything more than a simple doll. Just. Like. You. Ragna. A man made doll.

Ragna: You... bastard...

Hazma: Hm? Those eyes... I guess you knew then? My, my, just what has that cat been teaching you... How boring.

Mu-12: I am. I am. I am not human... Doll. A doll. Hatefulhatefulhatefulhateful!!

Ragna: Shut it! Not human? So what?! I too have an artificial body! Whose soul I possess is also unknown to me! Even so I am a human, a human being!!

idk what he says in the eng version, YouTube isn't loading for me. :|

[Kitten Burglar]

Valk's birthday is sept. 15th

he'll be released sept 15th

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