Vulcan422 Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Relius probably didn't meet Ignis or give her the D until after he fell into the Cauldron.
Anonymous Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 how old is carl anyway? i thought that right after falling into the cauldron, relius met hazama in the NOL. edit:nvm, he couldnt have met hazama in the NOL cause terumi was just a ghost before relius created his body...
Alpha to Omega Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Not sure if im just dumb or this game has a huge plot hole... Relius is from 100 years in the past (2099). He had a son and when he,hazama and kokonoe's grandfather were creating the black beast, relius fell into the cauldron, sending him 100 years in the future (2199). So... Isnt carl supposed to be at least 100 years old? Fail logic? Im not very smart Relius ended up in 2179 (not 2199), Ada and Carl were born after that.
Vulcan422 Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Now that the English version is out, here's a refresher. Will be updated throughout. -Makoto does indeed get flung into the Wheel of Fortune timeline. It just so happens to be on the exact date of CT's events. Nobody knows who Noel is, because she doesn't exist. The only people who have any clue what she's talking about are Hazama, Relius, Kokonoe, and Rachel. Also, it is revealed that in the Wheel of Fortune timeline, Tenjou was killed by a shockwave from a nearby explosion, not by Jin, because he was never made a figurehead hero in this timeline and earned his rank proper. In addition, when she gives the code "Gnu" for Tager, they don't know who she is, because in this universe she's not a spy for Sector Seven, and the role of spy went to somebody else. In her bad ending, she encounters Relius, who has Ignis hold her down while he probes her mind. She screams for him to stop, but he ends up sucking out all of her happy memories, and brings out her darkest emotions, all for the sole purpose of manipulating them to his own desires, because her darkest emotions are her animal instincts. Too violated from the mind-rape Relius just put her through, she no longer has the will to even move, becoming paralyzed from the trauma. -Valkenhayn's joke ending involves him taking Ragna and Taokaka on a wacky adventure to get Rachel a scone for when she wakes up. When she appears, she falls asleep, and Valk tells them that they shouldn't wake her up because she's not a morning person. When she comes close to waking up, Valk uses his "uber-verboten" technique, creating 3 copies of himself which all proceed to divert Rachel's attention by hopping over a nearby fence as she counts them like sheep. He then goes into the "Valley of Death" and ends up fighting some "occupational hazards" to get to a microwave to prepare the scones to go with Rachel's tea. When she wakes up and has it, she is unimpressed, and orders Valk to toss it in the garbage, which he does. -Platinum's joke ending is a parody of Madoka where she teams up with Rachel, Carl, Noel, and Arakune to gain "Boing Cards" which are said to increase their breast size in order to defeat the Boing Queen, Litchi. They encounter Taokaka who is gathering the cards for her and are aided by Puppeteer Mask (Relius) in defeating her. Shortly afterward, they encounter and defeat Tsubaki and Makoto, then go on to Litchi herself. She has enlisted Ragna as her final bodyguard, but Rachel scares him off by telling him there's a ghost behind him (they LOVE playing on his fear of ghosts in these new storylines). The group are caught in a binding spell that they thought came from Litchi, but it was actually Arakune who cast it, revealing that he was a traitor working for Litchi. After a hilarious rousing speech, Platinum breaks free and performs her final attack "Star-Boobie Breaker", destroying Litchi. The gag reel ends with this whole thing being a dream sequence, as Platinum had accidentally bumped into Tager a while back, who had proceeded to 360B her out of reflexes. Edited February 19, 2012 by Vulcan422
ChimeraCoinFlip Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Relius ended up in 2179 (not 2199), Ada and Carl were born after that. Wasn't Nirvana around during the war with the Black Beast? She's one of the 10 Nox Nyctores and everyone besides Carl seems to know about her as a Nox instead of his sister. I'd think she could have just been made more recently but since everyone knows of her so well it doesn't add up. Could someone explain in a timeline fashion, how/when Relius made Nirvana, Ignis, and where Carl/Ada were born? I'm probably overlooking something simple though
Kyosuke Kagami Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 Maybe Nirvana already existed, but Ada got merged with it later?
GenoWhirl Posted February 19, 2012 Posted February 19, 2012 -Valkenhayn's joke ending involves him taking Ragna and Taokaka on a wacky adventure to get Rachel a scone for when she wakes up. When she appears, she falls asleep, and Valk tells them that they shouldn't wake her up because she's not a morning person. When she comes close to waking up, Valk uses his "uber-verboten" technique, creating 3 copies of himself which all proceed to divert Rachel's attention by hopping over a nearby fence as she counts them like sheep. He then goes into the "Valley of Death" and ends up fighting some "occupational hazards" to get to a microwave to prepare the scones to go with Rachel's tea. When she wakes up and has it, she is unimpressed, and orders Valk to toss it in the garbage, which he does. That is legitimately sad ;_;
Alpha to Omega Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 Wasn't Nirvana around during the war with the Black Beast? She's one of the 10 Nox Nyctores and everyone besides Carl seems to know about her as a Nox instead of his sister. I'd think she could have just been made more recently but since everyone knows of her so well it doesn't add up. Could someone explain in a timeline fashion, how/when Relius made Nirvana, Ignis, and where Carl/Ada were born? I'm probably overlooking something simple though Ada wasn't originally part of Nirvana, she was added later, probably because Nirvana was missing it's power core. Here's a quick timeline: 2099: Relius is working on Prime Field Device #1 with Shuichiro and Terumi when the Black Beast comes out of the Cauldron and Relius falls in. He's sent forward in time to the year 2179. 2108: Nirvana is created by Nine along with some of the other Nox Nyctores. Nine's sister Celica becomes it's master. 2110: Dark War ends, Nirvana is sealed away by Celica and Trinity. 2179: Relius re-appears after falling into the Cauldron. Terumi meets up with him and tells him the year. Ada and Carl are born sometime after this. 2193: The Sector Seven Extra Episode: that which is inherited. 2195: Carl enrolls in the Academy. Relius presumably puts Ada into Nirvana sometime between this and him dropping out of the Academy. 2197: Carl drops out.
kylehyde Posted February 20, 2012 Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Ada wasn't originally part of Nirvana, she was added later, probably because Nirvana was missing it's power core. Here's a quick timeline: 2099: Relius is working on Prime Field Device #1 with Shuichiro and Terumi when the Black Beast comes out of the Cauldron and Relius falls in. He's sent forward in time to the year 2179. 2108: Nirvana is created by Nine along with some of the other Nox Nyctores. Nine's sister Celica becomes it's master. 2110: Dark War ends, Nirvana is sealed away by Celica and Trinity. 2179: Relius re-appears after falling into the Cauldron. Terumi meets up with him and tells him the year. Ada and Carl are born sometime after this. 2193: The Sector Seven Extra Episode: that which is inherited. 2195: Carl enrolls in the Academy. Relius presumably puts Ada into Nirvana sometime between this and him dropping out of the Academy. 2197: Carl drops out. Woah, thanks now I pretty much get it. I have a question but It might seem a bit stupid because I'm just as dense as Ragna. I'm not sure if it was answered in the game or in the phase stories. In the CT story of Extend, the part where Rachel teleports to a garden. Rachel mentions that she has been there many times. Gi and Nago have never been there with her before, then Gi mentions if she was their because of a man. My question is, who was the man? My gut says Ragna but could it had been Jin? I remember in Jin's CT ending where he is transported to a garden and Rachel is there and she says, if he wants to be a real hero? Was that who she was talking about? And what was the conversation about when she meets Ragna later. Was she only there to prevent Hakumen from killing him? Edited February 20, 2012 by kylehyde
BladeOfJustice7 Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 @kylehyde it's most likely Ragna that she was waiting for. Jin/Hakumen have a slight hostility towards Rachel. Is hakumen still only using 20% of his power? He seems to be a lot stronger in Continuum Shift, is Rachel's observance of him allowing him to have access to move of his power/existence locked away in the Boundary?
Anonymous Posted February 29, 2012 Posted February 29, 2012 http://youtu.be/L-8nrnhtGWw?t=1m45s i never saw that cutscene in game o_0 where can i watch it? its the one where you see ragna's face.
Anonymous Posted March 1, 2012 Posted March 1, 2012 they added new cutscenes in csx? :D did they remake CT cutscenes too?
kylehyde Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) they added new cutscenes in csx? :D did they remake CT cutscenes too? They animated the entire intro of Calamity Trigger. @BladeofJustice7 - I don't know, I think he's slowly gathering back his power. I wonder why Jin/Hakumen are hostile towards Rachel, she is the one who gave him the Susanoo. You would think they would be more appreciative. Well Hakumen not so much Jin. Edited March 2, 2012 by kylehyde
Vulcan422 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Those with the Power of Order are natural counters to Observers. The hostility is probably just because of that balance. Anything an Observer sees is destined to happen across all timelines and realities, but those with the Power of Order, if they want it enough, can nullify an Observer's...er...observations.
BladeOfJustice7 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 it's claudius who gave hakumen the susano'o unit no?
Vulcan422 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 It was Rachel more likely, but Clavis may have given it to him during the first time loop.
zeth07 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I was going through Relius' Astral on everyone cause I just wanted to see them in better quality than Youtube, and I noticed against certain characters there was a "seal" around them on the ground and an aura coming off them. It only appears for Bang / Tsubaki / Hazama / Litchi / Makoto, which I find kinda odd. I could understand if it was meant to imply it was restraining certain character's powers, but then you have Makoto's which is kind of a joke inside the hamster ball and yet she has that effect. Yet a bunch of other character's don't. Is there something trying to be implied? Or is it just lack of continuity in design? I just find it kinda interesting, even if it is a bit random.
Moy_X7 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 I'm guessing that it's just a lack of continuity in design. It'd be kinda neat if it really was meant to restrain their latent power or something.
Chaoschao222 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 It only appears for Bang / Tsubaki / Hazama / Litchi / Makoto, which I find kinda odd. I could understand if it was meant to imply it was restraining certain character's powers, but then you have Makoto's which is kind of a joke inside the hamster ball and yet she has that effect. Yet a bunch of other character's don't. Makoto is [prosibly] the physically strongest playable character, if not, second only to the available Heroes; she also has a hella strong will, strong enough to bring her back from the Boundary, so it's very possible that she's need something sealed as well.
zeth07 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Makoto is [prosibly] the physically strongest playable character, if not, second only to the available Heroes; she also has a hella strong will, strong enough to bring her back from the Boundary, so it's very possible that she's need something sealed as well. Well I didn't mean it so much that Makoto was "weak", but more that her being put in the hamster ball is a bit of a joke in and of itself. And it would make sense if it was to seal a character's power, but so many other characters NOT having it just makes that seem so random to do for that reason. It just seems like extra added effects that weren't needed, but for whatever reason were included.
Chaoschao222 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Well I didn't mean it so much that Makoto was "weak", but more that her being put in the hamster ball is a bit of a joke in and of itself. And it would make sense if it was to seal a character's power, but so many other characters NOT having it just makes that seem so random to do for that reason. It just seems like extra added effects that weren't needed, but for whatever reason were included. Are you saying that Hazama chilling in a chair and bang's old-style stone punishment things aren't jokes as well? Though I agree with the rest of your post, I don't see how Makoto being in a ball is any more of a joke than those two,
zeth07 Posted March 2, 2012 Posted March 2, 2012 Are you saying that Hazama chilling in a chair and bang's old-style stone punishment things aren't jokes as well? Though I agree with the rest of your post, I don't see how Makoto being in a ball is any more of a joke than those two, You keep picking out the most random points of my post to make an "argument", lol. But to answer you, since Hazama is a villain along with Relius, him just chillin there kinda makes sense and isn't remotely "funny" to be like a joke that you'd laugh at. Bang as a character is mobile and at least has FRKZ in theory, so being weighed down and having that punishment makes sense as well and isn't exactly LOL-worthy. But then you have Makoto...in a human sized hamster ball....You're really gonna say that isn't more of a "joke" than Hazama's and Bang's? But none of that is important since I was just making a random observation.
Chaoschao222 Posted March 3, 2012 Posted March 3, 2012 Well I wasn't exactly trying to necessarily argue in the first place, I just don't see how the hamster ball is any more of a joke than a chair (specifically, the Bang punishment thing, whatever), I mean regardless of their relationship, Relius is still using his finishing move against Hazama, compare to Relius' Arcade Ending (which granted, has different circumstances surrounding it), Hazama just chilling on a chair is pretty obviously there for humorous effect, a la a joke. Anyways, no sense in continuing this, as it's just trailing off from the original point, the seal thingy :P
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