MD / NoVA Thread: High Precision Fighting

[St1ckBuG]

I'm supposed to believe a question panel at an anime convention, and there hasn't been any talk of a rebalance patch/BBCS2 US since then?

I thought you had an article or something.

[Cirno]

It was an article before it was asked at the convention, which is why it was asked at all. It was the first official confirmation of anything. And yeah, you kinda are supposed to believe it, but w/e yo.

[Sesshyru]

ooooOOOooo

Stickbug got whateved lie a little 12 year old white girl.

Yo ohhhh

[St1ckBuG]

It was an article before it was asked at the convention, which is why it was asked at all. It was the first official confirmation of anything. And yeah, you kinda are supposed to believe it, but w/e yo.

Where's the article? I don't believe anything unless it's a written annoucement from the creators of the game (Arcadia Magazine/Aksys/Arcsys are usually good sources).

Verbal confirmation isn't worth a whole lot... they can say whatever they want and then go about their buisness. Did you watch the Blizzcon WoW panel?

A lot of people were just saying that there was tweet made about it this past Summer... and that was all we heard. Even THAT doesn't hold any merit because we were 'promised' a balance patch back in CT, and that worked out pretty well.

I'm not calling you out or anything, but we've been told things in the past that ended up falling through. I don't believe we're going to get the "BBCS2" balance patch anytime soon, unless Aksys wants to dick over the arcades... which I doubt.

[4r5]

oh how many times did Daisuke say he was going to announce the project he was working on, but then didn't?

[Lord Orx]

Pat's alive, all is well with dustloop.

[KBnova]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdbHpd6vt4

Great sounds. Anyways maybe we can play some games when I get back during the week before the 3rd of Dec. Ian If you really wanna play GGAC you gotta bug me by phone or email cuz I dont check DL as often.

[Sesshyru]

^

I was trolling you bro. I don't bug people who don't play AC anymore.

ONE IS A LONELY NUMBER THAT YOU WILL NEVER SEE...

Wait I butchered that...

:sad:

[Lane]

^

Arrogant.

u.u

4r5 has not posted in over 30 hours. That nigga dead?

This is unheard of.

Don't be dead Pat $(

:sad:

If you didn't post for 30,000 hours I think I'd be really happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdbHpd6vt4

Great sounds.

yah, bonobo is sick...did you catch their performance at 9:30 club?

[Sesshyru]

LANE YOU SO MEAN MAN WHY?

[zeth07]

Where's the article? I don't believe anything unless it's a written annoucement from the creators of the game (Arcadia Magazine/Aksys/Arcsys are usually good sources).

Verbal confirmation isn't worth a whole lot... they can say whatever they want and then go about their buisness. Did you watch the Blizzcon WoW panel?

A lot of people were just saying that there was tweet made about it this past Summer... and that was all we heard. Even THAT doesn't hold any merit because we were 'promised' a balance patch back in CT, and that worked out pretty well.

I'm not calling you out or anything, but we've been told things in the past that ended up falling through. I don't believe we're going to get the "BBCS2" balance patch anytime soon, unless Aksys wants to dick over the arcades... which I doubt.

I think a lot of people are going by the fact that they said "6 months" after the release of BB:CS, which just so happens to be around now, which also just so happens to be around the time of the arcade release of CS2 which has balance changes in addition to the console characters/DLC characters.

I could understand the view point of dicking over the arcades if it was a BB:CS 1 release, then a balance patch to console BB:CS, with NO BBCS2 arcade release. But I don't really see how it's dicking over the arcades when the only additions arcade BBCS2 is getting over the current console version is balance adjustments not including Platinum so far and Unlimited Wars.

It just seems silly to not give the console version of BBCS a balance patch to make it up to date when from what I hear, shouldn't be "too hard" to do. Confirmed by the fact that Makoto's parry loop was removed from 1.01 to 1.02, so they can obviously make gameplay changes at will.

EDIT:

The simple fact that it even goes by a version number should mean that a balance patch was always an option and it just doesn't make sense to wait an extended period of time for what could be a simple process for them outside of getting it approved by Microsoft/Sony. I see no reason why we couldn't even get another balance patch 6 months AFTER the one we should get for the exact same reason. Then even the arcade can get updated with the new system they are using. All the while they can work on the next game/s, while releasing balance patches to balance BlazBlue until the next full version.

I also don't think we will have to pay for the balance patch specifically because that just doesn't seem like something that should be DLC. Having to pay for Unlimited Wars and the DLC characters I'm fine with by comparison, although I'm not a fan of DLC in general so normally i'd be against paying for that stuff as well.

Now when you say "anytime soon", that's another story. I see no reason why we couldn't get it by at least January. Hell if it wasn't for XBL I think Platinum would've already been released or at least be released next month but now who knows.

Edited November 23, 2010 by zeth07

[Cirno]

Where's the article?

http://jaysonic.blog42.fc2.com/blog-entry-1194.html

You say "dick over the arcades", but again, it had to be confirmed to be for arcades in the first place. If anything, it would be dicking over consoles to not release it close to the same time as the arcades.

[St1ckBuG]

I could understand the view point of dicking over the arcades if it was a BB:CS 1 release, then a balance patch to console BB:CS, with NO BBCS2 arcade release. But I don't really see how it's dicking over the arcades when the only additions arcade BBCS2 is getting over the current console version is balance adjustments not including Platinum so far and Unlimited Wars.

When I think of balancing CS1, I think of them implementing the CS2 changes as a patch without Platinum... that makes sense right? I mean, why would they make different balance changes to CS1 then they're making right now when updating to CS2? So, why would they release CS2 (minus Plat) only a couple days/weeks/months after arcade? You'd be taking away from the buisnesses that GIVE YOU BUISNESS. It makes no sense as a buisness to shoot yourself in the foot... unless you're part of Jackass.

It just seems silly to not give the console version of BBCS a balance patch to make it up to date when from what I hear, shouldn't be "too hard" to do. Confirmed by the fact that Makoto's parry loop was removed from 1.01 to 1.02, so they can obviously make gameplay changes at will.

It's not about how hard it is to implement, it's if it would make from a buisness perspective, in which this case it doesn't.

The rest of your points go against running a buisness, which is what they're doing. Until they stop making a new version of Blazblue every year, we're going to have to pay for a new version of the game every year. And the release for console won't be anywhere near the arcade release because they want arcades to keep buying their games in the future.

Point remains that they haven't said anything recently about updating console... which isn't good if we're waiting for a balance patch... D:

Edit:

http://jaysonic.blog42.fc2.com/blog-entry-1194.html

You say "dick over the arcades", but again, it had to be confirmed to be for arcades in the first place. If anything, it would be dicking over consoles to not release it close to the same time as the arcades.

You should post that in BB general so that someone who understands moonspeak can accurately translate it. Google translate can only do so much.

Edited November 23, 2010 by St1ckBuG

[Avion]

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[Lord Orx]

So there will be plain "Unlimited Character" mode in the new iteration of BB:Continuous Shit? Is it me or do the unlimited characters seem more balanced than the normal ones?

[Sesshyru]

...............

[zeth07]

When I think of balancing CS1, I think of them implementing the CS2 changes as a patch without Platinum... that makes sense right? I mean, why would they make different balance changes to CS1 then they're making right now when updating to CS2? So, why would they release CS2 (minus Plat) only a couple days/weeks/months after arcade? You'd be taking away from the buisnesses that GIVE YOU BUISNESS. It makes no sense as a buisness to shoot yourself in the foot... unless you're part of Jackass.

It's not about how hard it is to implement, it's if it would make from a buisness perspective, in which this case it doesn't.

The rest of your points go against running a buisness, which is what they're doing. Until they stop making a new version of Blazblue every year, we're going to have to pay for a new version of the game every year. And the release for console won't be anywhere near the arcade release because they want arcades to keep buying their games in the future.

Point remains that they haven't said anything recently about updating console... which isn't good if we're waiting for a balance patch... D:

(Long Discussion Post...sorry)

Nah I didn't mean it like that with the CS1 patch thing. I meant that's exactly how they WOULD be dicking over the arcades, which isn't the case obviously.

I'm just looking at it as the fact that the major difference between CS2 arcade and CS console is going to be just the balance changes. So I don't think it would be such a terrible business decision to then do the same balance changes to the console version in the form of a free patch, when that's all that it's really missing that matters. Then they can go and charge for Unlimited Wars / Platinum.

If they never added Makoto/Valkenhayn/Platinum as DLC, then yea I wouldn't even mind if they released CS2 in disc form with the 3 DLC characters / Unlimited Wars / Balance Changes / Story Addtions. Like you said, that's basically what they do anyway when it comes to new games.

But in this instance, I think they are just going to do a patch sooner rather than later, release Platinum as DLC obviously, and MAYBE Unlimited Wars as DLC. They would have to really add some more stuff to make a disc version, in which case they might as well make it the next game. Selling the stuff as DLC is business in itself, balance patch hopefully not included in that but free.

Although your main point just seems to be WHEN and in what form these balance changes will come to us on consoles. I just can't see it as being several months when there isn't a lot to be added, unless they truly make the next full game which means more characters and more location tests so it just doesn't seem likely to me. And releasing it as CS2 in disc form a few months from now seems kinda bad for people who have bought the DLC characters and only real change would be the balance changes.

DLC gives them business, and the arcade scene in Japan probably wouldn't be hurt by a console game just being updated to EQUAL the arcade standards. It isn't like SF4 > SSF4 (which is now getting an enhanced Arcade Version as well...) So yea, i guess it is like SF in that sense, so SF is NOW in the exact same situation with SSF4 console vs. SSF4 Arcade Edition unlike the SF4 vs. SSF4 situation.

But I guess we just gotta wait and see/hear what they say.

(Long Discussion Post...sorry)

[zeth07]

So there will be plain "Unlimited Character" mode in the new iteration of BB:Continuous Shit? Is it me or do the unlimited characters seem more balanced than the normal ones?

Balanced in the sense that they are all broken? But still no, I think there are some Unlimiteds that are just more broken than others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3v3o48xPOU

Apparently the mode is going to be like Score Attack, except instead of fighting normal characters then "boss" Unlimiteds, you'll fight ALL Unlimited characters.

[RadRed]

You should post that in BB general so that someone who understands moonspeak can accurately translate it. Google translate can only do so much.

It was already translated. You've been given multiple sources that confirm that the balance patch is planned for release on consoles. No idea why you refused to believe what Cirno said in the first place.

Also, dare I ask why you're even in the MD/VA topic anyway?

[zeth07]

It was already translated. You've been given multiple sources that confirm that the balance patch is planned for release on consoles. No idea why you refused to believe what Cirno said in the first place.

Also, dare I ask why you're even in the MD/VA topic anyway?

People post in different match finder threads all the time.

[Zero000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdbHpd6vt4

Great sounds. Anyways maybe we can play some games when I get back during the week before the 3rd of Dec. Ian If you really wanna play GGAC you gotta bug me by phone or email cuz I dont check DL as often.

WE NEED TO HANG OUT KENJI

also bonobo is still great

Edited November 23, 2010 by Zero000

[Sesshyru]

Q.Q Korea

[Lord Orx]

Balanced in the sense that they are all broken? But still no, I think there are some Unlimiteds that are just more broken than others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3v3o48xPOU

Apparently the mode is going to be like Score Attack, except instead of fighting normal characters then "boss" Unlimiteds, you'll fight ALL Unlimited characters.

I think I like this game more than normal BB. It looks like combos are difficult. If the damage scaling was fixed, as well as the potential for infinites, and as long as bar generation rates are normal, then it would be the game I expected BB to be originally.

[zeth07]

I think I like this game more than normal BB. It looks like combos are difficult. If the damage scaling was fixed, as well as the potential for infinites, and as long as bar generation rates are normal, then it would be the game I expected BB to be originally.

That's cause it was a combo video. If you saw actual matches with Unlimiteds you would probably think otherwise. But everything you said would basically make them not Unlimiteds and thus not even do half the cool stuff.

Some (if not all I imagine) have some stupidly broken yet probably simple loops. Off the top of my head, Litchi, Noel, Hakumen. Obviously they are fun to mess around with and do some pretty awesome stuff, but by no means would I want to play it like that on a regular basis.

Plus you have stuff like this:

Fun vs. Tager.

[St1ckBuG]

DLC gives them business, and the arcade scene in Japan probably wouldn't be hurt by a console game just being updated to EQUAL the arcade standards.

But I guess we just gotta wait and see/hear what they say.

Why would Aksys want to make less money AND make themselves look bad to arcade owners? I don't know what else to say.

It was already translated. You've been given multiple sources that confirm that the balance patch is planned for release on consoles. No idea why you refused to believe what Cirno said in the first place.

Also, dare I ask why you're even in the MD/VA topic anyway?

I just asked one of my friends to tell me what that article was... that was from March of this year... MARCH. We've heard nothing about balancing for 9 months. Do you know what happened with the BBCT balance patch that they said was going to happen? Oh yeah, it was called BlazBlue: Continuum Shift, it was a whole new game, released half a year after arcade, and it really didn't balance all that well. Multiple sources? What multiple sources? A 9 month old article and a "yes" at an animecon?

People were speculating as you guys are right now, when really there's no point for them to release a console version of the game so close to an arcade release, AND we've been dealt this same hand before. People that have been playing since the first week of arcade for BBCT know this game works out by now in terms of arcade release, console release, and updates. We've been here before, and nothing has changed.

The reason I'm in here is because I lurk this thread occasionally and because I'm friends with people from MD/VA. The reason I started posting was because someone posted that we should look forward to the balance patch that's being released soon. I got happy that maybe there was a official announcement or something that I didn't get wind of, so I wanted to confirm.

Didn't know I had to state my reason for posting in a thread. Sorry RadRed. I won't post here ever again.

BTW, who from MD/VA is going to NEC? 4r5? Lord Ox? Moroha?