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Dacidbro

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I tend to not throw overheads often in general because online is cheap

Yes this is not a good way to win :toot:

Limiting yourself is always a bad idea. Always. And it disrespects your opponent.

EDIT: On people "beating your wakeup options always", you have gone from one bad extreme to another. Previously, you would ALWAYS meaty, and they would always reversal and win. Now, you never meaty, and they never have to reversal. You need to actually mix it up so your opponent has fear, there is no "best" option, there is only the read.

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Reioumu

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Yeah, you have to make them respect you in either way. If you can read it correctly, you can meaty wakeups, and bait dragon punches and then punish them. If you keep doing this correctly, your opponent will be respect you a lot more, but will probably still DP you every so often to keep you honest to what you do.

DaiAndOh

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Barring strong players that have other fighting game routes, it's so rare to see any respect in BB lol.

God I hate ID's hitbox. More invisible forces from behind.

huey253

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If I posted a video would you guys be willing to help too?

this is how everybody will level up, if we analyze each other's matches and help each other improve.

i'm 100% totally confirmed for helping you out bro.

sorry i'm not going- saving my money for japan :3

iw2ma

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Ya i guess I need to mix it up more lol.

I'd love to go to NEC if not only to meet up with SC4 crew. I haven't seen em in a while.

BUT alass i'm a poor bastard 21 hours away via car.

huey253

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so, i just got blown the fuck up by valkenhayn.

why can't you dash 6C j623B him :(

it sucks having to play againist him in competition and not having a chance to practice combos againist him :(

rei-Scarred

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Haha that sounds like a post I would make. Like that time when I asked about Litchi and learned about the timing. Except I actually know the answer this time.

6C about as early as possible as you can on Jin if that makes sense. 6Cing as early as you could on Tager is too early. 6Cing with normal timing is too late. 6Cing like its Litchi is way way too late.

Though I have no answer's for any combo involving j4C. I should just stick to jB cause everytime I whiff j4C LostSoul makes me eat 4K for it. Such a stupid character :p

edit: oh yeah, also using 2B instead of d2B makes the window a bit bigger for some reason. i.e. hit him with the the tip of 6C

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Mr. Kimura

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this is how everybody will level up, if we analyze each other's matches and help each other improve.

i'm 100% totally confirmed for helping you out bro.

sorry i'm not going- saving my money for japan :3

Alright, I'll gather some vids when I get a chance, no matter how poopy. I lose to a lot of dumb stuff but I'm not afraid to admit it. There's so much I don't know.

ThePretender

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All right, so I finally have a couple of decent quality videos to display my lol-worthy Bang. Looking back at these videos, I find myself cringing really hard at all the dumb things I do (dropping combos, screwing up executing, AND MASHING 2D SO GODDAMN MUCH), but I'll let you guys see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Brr029sYBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGh-3eAtY8

I have two more matches recorded, but I'll have em up later.

huey253

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Haha that sounds like a post I would make. Like that time when I asked about Litchi and learned about the timing. Except I actually know the answer this time.

6C about as early as possible as you can on Jin if that makes sense. 6Cing as early as you could on Tager is too early. 6Cing with normal timing is too late. 6Cing like its Litchi is way way too late.

Though I have no answer's for any combo involving j4C. I should just stick to jB cause everytime I whiff j4C LostSoul makes me eat 4K for it. Such a stupid character :p

edit: oh yeah, also using 2B instead of d2B makes the window a bit bigger for some reason. i.e. hit him with the the tip of 6C

there is a difference... I have never had a chance to practice it on him due to me being an xbox guy. Litchi has been out since arcade release :3

yeah valkenhayn is pretty silly. its whatever though, it reminded me of CT.

I'm on my lunch break right now, so when i get off work i'll give you some feedback.

Dacidbro

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(Any time I use parenthesis, it is another viable option)

On the first video I clicked, Raymoo V Pretender;

1. 2C is sharply negative, particularly when IB'd, so every time you press 2B after 2C you're assuming your opponent will not press the correct 15-20 frame attack to beat you. That's a pretty hefty assumption. If you're GOING to mash after 2C, as bad as it is, use a very quick attack like 5A if point blank, d5A if not quite. And if they're farther than that, I just don't see it working.

2. If you hypothetically hit 2B 623B, 5D does not work, nor would it be highest damage. Use 2B 623B 5B/d5B 2B jB j623B 5B 2B jB jC.

3. As the commentators are saying, the umbrella is weak. It's a gimmick, get out of jail on corner oki against certain characters, or an EXTREME call out.

4. When you hit high jC, follow with 5A to guarantee combo. jC 2B is only going to work on counterhit, and that's weaker in general.

5. Inform your commentators Tager is lowest or very low tier.

6. on 5D starter, do 5D jB j623B 5B 623B (daifunka) d6C j623B 2B 6C jC

7. 2D can't combo to jD on Tager, so use the same as 5D if you aren't sure it's counter hit

8. When you go over the whiffed Spark Bolt, use jC to punish it instead of hitting jD; you had a free hit. Understand your opponent's moves, so you never drop an opportunity like that.

9. On 2C hit in the corner, use d2B 623B reverse daifunka OR 6A 623B dash under 5B 2B jB jC

10. 5D is a weak anti air, use it very sparingly. Also, you pressed it too early anyway. When anti airing tager, only do it if you have enough time to jA before his attack, meaning if it's too late, don't even try.

11. On 2C hit mid screen, do d2B 623B (daifunka) d6C jD d2B 6C jC

12. You aren't actually using mix up. This is fine, because your opponent isn't blocking, but on most players this will be a very big problem. Your block string is ALWAYS 5A 5B 2B 2C, and that's actually where it ends. Your opponent is letting you get a 2B poke afterwards, but that won't happen usually. You need to use more moves. Add in 2A (5A 2A 2A 5B, 5A 2A 5B, 5A 5B, 5A 2A 2A 2B, 5A 2A 2B, 5A 2B, for example, to keep them guessing on lows) and over heads 5C and 5B (5A 2A 2A 5B 5C, 5A 2A 2A 5C, 5A 2A 5B 5C, 5A 5C, 5B 5C 6B, 5A 6B, 5A 5C 6B. You get it, I hope) The point being you never want your opponent to know what your next attack is, and you also want your opponent to be afraid of mashing out (Your opponent is not instant blocking, so that's not even really possible, but if your opponent does, it will happen)

Dacidbro

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In the next video, if you daifunka and have meter, and it gets blocked, rapid. And tech pink throws.

I think you've probably got enough homework for now, you have a long way to go.

huey253

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yeah...

oh I think dacid hit quite a bit of points.

You are using your combo as your blockstring, which is bad if you do it everytime you put them in blockstun.

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